Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?

[Weary of internet morons]

Halb said:

Soz. Here ya go.
Last time I asked for help with translate on here, I got the typical ph knobhead response.

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"I lived until the summer of Nørrebro and will here reproduce some of the experiences that make that I probably never going to stay there again. But before I do, I want to emphasize two things: No, I am not employed by Statistics Denmark, and this column is not based on scientific analysis, but on my experiences. And yes, dear reader, you may have lived a lifetime in Nørrebro and had one bushel wonderful experience after another. Congratulations, I am on your behalf.

It was winter when I moved to Nørrebro with my son, and we moved into an apartment with a view of Peblinge Dosseringen. From the living room, I could see people running around the lakes or promenading with their Odder prams, often with a cup of coffee in hand.

It was summer, and one day I went over to the playground with my son and two bonus daughters. It was hot and they fetched water from the tap to build a lake, which they stuck their bare feet down. Soon the two boys of about eight and ten years to obstruct the game, and I grabbed course in. Where are your parents, I asked. They laughed. Soon after, the boys at play stand where they amused themselves by pushing the other kids down. I went to them and said that they should behave, and that I had been watching them. It had an effect, unfortunately, short-lived, because soon they stood and spat on the slide so the children could fly straight into their saliva and snot. Cool. Several of the other parents took their children and left the playground, and I considered for a moment the same. But I wonder frankly not be bøllet out of two minors.

It ended up that we went. Not because my kids were tired of playing, but because one of the boys fished his iPhone from his pocket, spoke into it in Arabic and signaled to me that my throat would be cut. The notion that an older brother had to get his ill-mannered brothers to the rescue was not something I wanted to count on. So we went. The playground was almost empty, only the two boys were back.

It was autumn, and my son came one day something flabbergasted home. He was then nine years and had repeatedly been in the grocery store that was nearby. But this time he had been stopped by a group of boys who had charged him his mobile. Since there was an unattractive old mobile, they had just thrown it on the ground and said something unintelligible before being toppled on to the next easy victim. Of course put the experience in my son, just as the other had done it.

And like a number of other experiences did it. Our car got tires cut up. Bicycles were stolen. We did break one night we slept with open balcony door - thieves climbed up to the first floor and stole mobiles, computers, iPads while we were sleeping. Lucky that nobody woke up, particularly children.

So goodbye Nørrebro. Farewell town with more crime than the rest of Copenhagen. Goodbye school district how absurd many boys leave school functionally illiterate and beyond to - what? Where there is only gangs but also children gangs.

And yes, I'm probably just a middle-aged, white, middle-class type, acting in Irma, have pension savings and dengse in private school. So what? Before I moved to Nørrebro, I thought that poor integration could A quick fix with social inclusion and a nicer tone of the debate. I do not any longer.

Today, I think that a major constraint distribution of bilingual students is the way forward, and I believe that private schools must take responsibility and provide scholarships to students from resource poor households from homes with satellite dishes in place of Proust. I believe in stricter requirements for school attendance and believes that roughly truancy must have economic implications for families who leave their children in the lurch by letting them hang out on the street instead of attending school.

I believe in anything but unworldly humanist types who sit with cafelatten in Børge Mogensen sofa and teaches others that the culprit is the greatest sacrifice and that it is associated with a poor human nature to make demands.

For it is not true. On the contrary."

Christ. It sounds like Copenhagen is become like most UK towns. So much for the Scandinavian social utopia, welcome to the Chavostene. Depressing reading.

[FiF]

Weary of internet morons said:

Christ. It sounds like Copenhagen is become like most UK towns. So much for the Scandinavian social utopia, welcome to the Chavostene. Depressing reading.

Tbh that bit of her story about her son getting accosted for his mobile and then the gang moving onto another perceived easy target, which is how they view the local Swedish kids, is exactly how it's been for more than a decade in the south of Sweden, especially Malmö. Yet for ages if anyone spoke up about this truth, and the obvious profile and background of the offenders, then the racist card immediately played to shut them up. Engineers of the disaster have a lot to answer for.

Having said that in more remote parts, and some not so remote parts, Swedes haven't been behind the doors in a bit of direct action against invandere. (incomers / immigrants) There was bad feeling about the number of Dutch and German families buying up summer houses, cars with foreign plates being regularly vandalised.

[Seek]

Just got id-checked for the first time ever on the train from Denmark to Sweden.
Pretty efficient - took max 10 minutes for the police to check the whole train.

Everyone including the police were relaxed but I could see it becoming tiring for most people pretty quick.

[Weary of internet morons]

FiF said:

Weary of internet morons said:

Christ. It sounds like Copenhagen is become like most UK towns. So much for the Scandinavian social utopia, welcome to the Chavostene. Depressing reading.

Tbh that bit of her story about her son getting accosted for his mobile and then the gang moving onto another perceived easy target, which is how they view the local Swedish kids, is exactly how it's been for more than a decade in the south of Sweden, especially Malmö. Yet for ages if anyone spoke up about this truth, and the obvious profile and background of the offenders, then the racist card immediately played to shut them up. Engineers of the disaster have a lot to answer for.

Having said that in more remote parts, and some not so remote parts, Swedes haven't been behind the doors in a bit of direct action against invandere. (incomers / immigrants) There was bad feeling about the number of Dutch and German families buying up summer houses, cars with foreign plates being regularly vandalised.

I'd read an in-depth article about that a couple of years ago, about how gangs of immigrant youths preyed on what they considered to be weak, easy target Swedes often targeting bus stations, shopping malls and the vicinity of schools. Mobile phones and cash seemed to be the preferred spoils, plus the violence for the sake of it aspect. It included some interviews with the perpetrators who seemed to find it fun and Swedes who, basically didn't know what had hit them and seems bemused and powerless.

Then again, we have the gangs of feral yoof-scum in cities like London shanking, shooting and scaring anyone they feel like, innit. Time for a cull.

[skyrover]

Was reading one article on that website which described a couple of Swedish "bleeding heart" type girls who brought food and drink for some asylum seekers and were raped during the night for their trouble.

However they did not want to press charges as they feared the men would be set back to Iraq

I genuinely can't get my head around that mindset.

[Du1point8]

Friend of a friend is interviewing immigrants in Finland... Has had many of the interviews cancelled today as the immigrants have decided its too cold to stay in Finland and they would like to go home now and are demanding transport back.

Its currently -16 degrees today and dropping fast

[dudleybloke]

If they walk fast they will keep warm.

And just what did they expect when they moved right next to the arctic circle, palm trees and tropical beaches.

[Axionknight]

The below is taken from the link http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7133/sweden-rape... that was posted above:


November 19: A fire broke out at Lundsbrunn Spa, a few weeks after plans were announced to convert the historic building into the biggest asylum-seekers' home in Sweden. According to the police, the fire was not an arson, but started in a wood-pellet stove.

If that was an accident or caused by chance and not locals who are very miffed I would eat my hat - and as bad as it may sound me typing this, who can blame them?

[skyrover]

Axionknight said:

November 19: A fire broke out at Lundsbrunn Spa, a few weeks after plans were announced to convert the historic building into the biggest asylum-seekers' home in Sweden. According to the police, the fire was not an arson, but started in a wood-pellet stove.

A luxury resort? FFS

Some cheap pre-fab's are more than good enough considering how the guests will treat the building.

[irocfan]

skyrover said:

Was reading one article on that website which described a couple of Swedish "bleeding heart" type girls who brought food and drink for some asylum seekers and were raped during the night for their trouble.

However they did not want to press charges as they feared the men would be set back to Iraq

I genuinely can't get my head around that mindset.

it's too similar to a story that was doing the rounds WRT an female aid worker in Haiti TBH. If it is true then some people need urgent psychiatric help

[jshell]

From what I hear today, many owners of potentially rent-able accommodation from small facilities to large hotels are converting to migrant centres. The reason? The Scandinavian Govt's are offering big money for people to do so, and the so-called Socialist countries are chock-full of capitalists who are eager to profit, regardless of consequences. Of course the deals are long-term...

Oslo have spent £30,000 distributing migrants using local taxis. Not sure that Oil Fund will last long...

[anonymous-user]

Weary of internet morons said:

Christ. It sounds like Copenhagen is become like most UK towns. So much for the Scandinavian social utopia, welcome to the Chavostene. Depressing reading.

Most you say? That's strange, ive never been to a UK town like that.

[JagLover]

Jimboka said:

Weary of internet morons said:

Christ. It sounds like Copenhagen is become like most UK towns. So much for the Scandinavian social utopia, welcome to the Chavostene. Depressing reading.

Most you say? That's strange, ive never been to a UK town like that.

Actually that translated story of the Mother at the playground sounds like many areas of inner city, and not so inner-city, Britain over the past few decades.

It seems shocking to an ordered, middle class, society but basically all the Swedes have done is import an underclass which (unlike with the British experience) does not have a large home grown element. The only difference being that their underclass seems more prone to commit rape.

Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 5th January 12:20

[Mr_B]

I wonder how long German tolerance is going to last if the facts in this case are correct ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

[Weary of internet morons]

Jimboka said:

Weary of internet morons said:

Christ. It sounds like Copenhagen is become like most UK towns. So much for the Scandinavian social utopia, welcome to the Chavostene. Depressing reading.

Most you say? That's strange, ive never been to a UK town like that.

Rhetorical exaggeration, but there are plenty of parts of plentiful towns up and down the breadth of the UK with similar neer-do-wells ruining places and facilities for others with their anti-social behaviour. I've seen enough of it myself and you don't need to go looking too hard to see and hear of others' experience.

Edited by Weary of internet morons on Tuesday 5th January 19:17

[gruffalo]

Mr_B said:

I wonder how long German tolerance is going to last if the facts in this case are correct ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

I work for a German company, lots of my German colleagues are more than a little concerned, nearly all supported the idea of helping people but the way they see things working out now that the people are in country many are very concerned.

[Sam All]

gruffalo said:

Mr_B said:

I wonder how long German tolerance is going to last if the facts in this case are correct ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

I work for a German company, lots of my German colleagues are more than a little concerned, nearly all supported the idea of helping people but the way they see things working out now that the people are in country many are very concerned.

Germans like organisation and control. Merkel encouraged quite the opposite.

[BrabusMog]

The major thing that has changed in Sweden, in my opinion, is that the refugees/immigrants are even in little towns that have never had immigrants before apart from the people who run the pizzerias and barber shops. My missus said that even a couple of years ago there weren't any immigrants in our town (we're about 30 minutes' drive from Göteborg) whereas nowadays they are everywhere. I think that's why it is becoming such a big issue, people in smaller towns were always happy to help people worse off than themselves, just so long as it wasn't on their doorstep. The missus parents had some stuff stolen from their back yard last week and are getting an alarm installed, previously there had not been a single break in where they live, so you know who they are blaming, even though they won't say it in public.

[Northern Munkee]

Sam All said:

gruffalo said:

Mr_B said:

I wonder how long German tolerance is going to last if the facts in this case are correct ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

I work for a German company, lots of my German colleagues are more than a little concerned, nearly all supported the idea of helping people but the way they see things working out now that the people are in country many are very concerned.

Germans like organisation and control. Merkel encouraged quite the opposite.

You can almost understand why the 'mericans would be tapping her phone, probably think she is a deep cover fifth column from East German intelligence out to wreck Germany and Europe's ability to fight against a resurgent "commie" threat.

[/tinfoil]

[Du1point8]

BrabusMog said:

The major thing that has changed in Sweden, in my opinion, is that the refugees/immigrants are even in little towns that have never had immigrants before apart from the people who run the pizzerias and barber shops. My missus said that even a couple of years ago there weren't any immigrants in our town (we're about 30 minutes' drive from Göteborg) whereas nowadays they are everywhere. I think that's why it is becoming such a big issue, people in smaller towns were always happy to help people worse off than themselves, just so long as it wasn't on their doorstep. The missus parents had some stuff stolen from their back yard last week and are getting an alarm installed, previously there had not been a single break in where they live, so you know who they are blaming, even though they won't say it in public.

Funny enough I have been saying that exact same thing about Nokia in Finland, OH folks have mentioned that several people they know have had issues in certain Finnish towns were immigrants have been allowed to stay, I have already told them that if they come to Nokia to get a lock on the outhouses that have previously never needed them and definitely start locking the doors as most houses are left open for visiting neighbours.

The machinery shed has hundreds of thousands of Euros of farm equipment, this too is never locked as it has never needed to be and I suspect this will be changing shortly.