Who will be the new Labour leader?
Poll: Who will be the new Labour leader?
Total Members Polled: 378
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
As a Tory supporter seeing Labour scratching around in the dirt is very amusing. More so that they seem to think they can ignore the settled will of the UK.
We voted for the £12billion cuts we as a country want this - those who shout loudest don't represent the voting majority.
It is something that has developed significantly over the last few decades. Those people who shout loudest get listend to more, particualrily by the BBC.We voted for the £12billion cuts we as a country want this - those who shout loudest don't represent the voting majority.
Sadly we now have a huge section of the population that believe "their right" is for the Government (supported by the Tax payer )to keep them financially to such an extent that they do not need to work for a living.
jmorgan said:
Johnnytheboy said:
jmorgan said:
Ohhhhhh, chucking his toys out the pram on CH4 news.
Who?Riff Raff said:
jmorgan said:
Mr Corbyn. Selective umbrage, shouty man one second, the priest in the confessional the next.
Do we really want someone who loses his rag like that to have his finger on the nuclear trigger?The only saving grace is that , if he became leader, I can't see the country electing him. A Michael Foot Mk2, with a tenth of the personality.
Incredible to think that the Tories are having an utter free ride with zero opposition, Harridan Harman appearing with Andrew Neil to BACK the benefit cuts (Osborne must have wet himself) then the faceless "candidates" come out to say how they disagree only to find that no one is listening anymore.
When they announce the leader will anyone care?
When they announce the leader will anyone care?
Edited by Wills2 on Monday 13th July 22:33
princealbert23 said:
jmorgan said:
Johnnytheboy said:
jmorgan said:
Ohhhhhh, chucking his toys out the pram on CH4 news.
Who?Wills2 said:
Incredible to think that the Tories are having an utter free ride with zero opposition, Harridan Harman appearing with Andrew Neil to BACK the benefit cuts (Osborne must have wet himself) then the faceless "candidates" come out to say how they disagree only to find that no one is listening anymore.
When they announce the leader will anyone care?
But for. Now they don't have a position and to simply oppose any suggestion as your in opposition is really stupid. When they announce the leader will anyone care?
Edited by Wills2 on Monday 13th July 22:33
Smart move by Tory's a quick budget following the humiliation of Labour knowing they were screwed.
It's perfectly fine to say we oppose the cuts - fine. But you have to state what you would do instead (especially when you voted in the £30biion cuts previously).
Let's say those earning over £60k in the UK number what 1m people? If so which I'd say is very very unlikely out of 32m workforce then the £12b would mean an average tax hike of £12k per person... Simply cannot happen or wouldn't be possible.
Let's say it's 16m people that's half the working population that's £750 per person.
Welshbeef said:
But for. Now they don't have a position and to simply oppose any suggestion as your in opposition is really stupid.
Smart move by Tory's a quick budget following the humiliation of Labour knowing they were screwed.
It's perfectly fine to say we oppose the cuts - fine. But you have to state what you would do instead (especially when you voted in the £30biion cuts previously).
Let's say those earning over £60k in the UK number what 1m people? If so which I'd say is very very unlikely out of 32m workforce then the £12b would mean an average tax hike of £12k per person... Simply cannot happen or wouldn't be possible.
Let's say it's 16m people that's half the working population that's £750 per person.
Labour are lost they do not know who they are or who they represent. If they want to punish people with higher taxes because they work 12 or 14 hours a day sometimes 7 days a week to improve their standard of living and that of their families then so be it. We have created a nanny state for a lot of people and they run their lives for them time to cut the chord.Smart move by Tory's a quick budget following the humiliation of Labour knowing they were screwed.
It's perfectly fine to say we oppose the cuts - fine. But you have to state what you would do instead (especially when you voted in the £30biion cuts previously).
Let's say those earning over £60k in the UK number what 1m people? If so which I'd say is very very unlikely out of 32m workforce then the £12b would mean an average tax hike of £12k per person... Simply cannot happen or wouldn't be possible.
Let's say it's 16m people that's half the working population that's £750 per person.
Welshbeef said:
Smart move by Tory's a quick budget following the humiliation of Labour knowing they were screwed.
Since the days of Harold Wilson back in the 1960s when I first started to take an interest, just about every newly elected Government since has used their first budget to introduce those less popular measures. The carrots in the budgets will be dangled towards the end of their stint with final budgets in the run up to the election to secure votes. motco said:
He has a few ideas that would make winning and election with him as leader something of a challenge.
He is, unlike the others, quite definitely not a Tory...motco said:
Irish Unity,
Deeply unpopular with a few, who were unlikely to vote Labour anyway, popular with a few, and a matter of indifference to most.motco said:
unilateral nuclear disarmament,
Fairly popular, and getting easier to sell as it becomes more and more obvious that Trident singularly fails to project power and is of significantly less use than maritime reconnaissance aircraft, or infantry, or brass bands even...motco said:
abolishing the monarchy and evicting the Royal Family from their palaces,
Again there's likely more indifference than strong feelings either way, and not that difficult sell in current economic times.motco said:
support for the Syriza party in Greece,
Underdogs are generally popular.motco said:
return to nationalisation of privatised entities, etc.
There's little affection for privatised rail, or energy, or water that I can see, even amongst non-lefties...motco said:
At least he is honest and espouses policies he believes in, rather than the Harman/Blair view that it doesn't matter what you believe, you must not promote any policy that cannot win elections. Integrity vs. self-serving insincerity.
The other three are all offering Tory-lite, which frankly cannot compete with the real thing, which leaves Corbyn with only 76% of the electorate to woo...There are a lot of disenchanted voters to re-engage out there.
Riff Raff said:
jmorgan said:
Mr Corbyn. Selective umbrage, shouty man one second, the priest in the confessional the next.
Do we really want someone who loses his rag like that to have his finger on the nuclear trigger?The only saving grace is that , if he became leader, I can't see the country electing him. A Michael Foot Mk2, with a tenth of the personality.
fluffnik said:
motco said:
He has a few ideas that would make winning and election with him as leader something of a challenge.
He is, unlike the others, quite definitely not a Tory...motco said:
Irish Unity,
Deeply unpopular with a few, who were unlikely to vote Labour anyway, popular with a few, and a matter of indifference to most.motco said:
unilateral nuclear disarmament,
Fairly popular, and getting easier to sell as it becomes more and more obvious that Trident singularly fails to project power and is of significantly less use than maritime reconnaissance aircraft, or infantry, or brass bands even...motco said:
abolishing the monarchy and evicting the Royal Family from their palaces,
Again there's likely more indifference than strong feelings either way, and not that difficult sell in current economic times.motco said:
support for the Syriza party in Greece,
Underdogs are generally popular.motco said:
return to nationalisation of privatised entities, etc.
There's little affection for privatised rail, or energy, or water that I can see, even amongst non-lefties...motco said:
At least he is honest and espouses policies he believes in, rather than the Harman/Blair view that it doesn't matter what you believe, you must not promote any policy that cannot win elections. Integrity vs. self-serving insincerity.
The other three are all offering Tory-lite, which frankly cannot compete with the real thing, which leaves Corbyn with only 76% of the electorate to woo...There are a lot of disenchanted voters to re-engage out there.
jmorgan said:
Mr_B said:
Son of Kinnock calls the 3 child cap " reminiscent of a eugenics policy ".
I had such high hopes for him as well.
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