UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
rs1952 said:
Or to put this in old money...
About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.
About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.
One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
That's solely a point on Ukip's results. The point being made was that to limit immigration ( or as it was incorrectly called, no to immigration ) and the be in favour of leaving the EU is not a small minority. Trying to present Ukip's vote share of eligible voters as being proof of such was therefore a dishonest attempt. About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.
About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.
One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
rs1952 said:
Or to put this in old money...
About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.
About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.
One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
Look, i know it's hard at times all this reading stuff, but please try and read what he said, not what you want to think he said.About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.
About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.
One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
Edited by Scuffers on Saturday 27th June 21:04
Scuffers said:
rs1952 said:
Or to put this in old money...
About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.
About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.
One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
Look, i know it's hard at times all this reading stuff, but please try and reds want he said, not what you want to think he said.About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.
About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.
One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
rs1952 said:
I agree it's hard all this reading stUff, especially when somebody posts "but please try and reds want he said."
are you a pair of 5 year olds?Jesus it's hard work when faced with not only belligerent, but willfully STUPID idiots.
UKIP got 12.6% of the VOTE, yes, that's people that actually voted, in the same way the Tories won an outright majority with 11,300,303 votes, ie. 36.8% of the VOTE (not 24.3% of the electorate).
GOT IT?
rs1952 said:
Scuffers said:
rs1952 said:
Or to put this in old money...
About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.
About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.
One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
Look, i know it's hard at times all this reading stuff, but please try and reds want he said, not what you want to think he said.About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.
About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.
One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
Einion Yrth said:
weak, weak argument.
The real weak argument is that the UK electorate are in favour of Brexit, when all polls suggest the majority want to remain in the EU. The majority could be wrong but aside from bluster about Eastern European economic migrants and, I would list the other things but can't represent the relevant arguments with the fervour of a true kipper.Strawman said:
Einion Yrth said:
weak, weak argument.
The real weak argument is that the UK electorate are in favour of Brexit, when all polls suggest the majority want to remain in the EU. The majority could be wrong but aside from bluster about Eastern European economic migrants and, I would list the other things but can't represent the relevant arguments with the fervour of a true kipper.Strawman said:
Einion Yrth said:
weak, weak argument.
The real weak argument is that the UK electorate are in favour of Brexit, when all polls suggest the majority want to remain in the EU. The majority could be wrong but aside from bluster about Eastern European economic migrants and, I would list the other things but can't represent the relevant arguments with the fervour of a true kipper.
If TKF were still around, incidentally that was news to me he'd been binned, but if he were still around he'd be saying I knew this was an article by Carswell before he'd clicked the link so as he's not here then just so you all know, it's an op-ed by Douglas Carswell saying what we all knew, namely that the rest of Europe knows Cameron is only bluffing and going through the motions reduced to begging for a few white rabbits to pull out the hat to claim reform.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2...
Meanwhile to continue the theme of questions that have never been answered. It's probably two volumes ago where the pro EU mob who have been saying that we need to be in the EU but that the EU also needs to change were asked what they wanted to change. What must change and what would they do if they didn't get that change. Lines in the sand basically. Never got any decent answers did we. Because they don't have any?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2...
Meanwhile to continue the theme of questions that have never been answered. It's probably two volumes ago where the pro EU mob who have been saying that we need to be in the EU but that the EU also needs to change were asked what they wanted to change. What must change and what would they do if they didn't get that change. Lines in the sand basically. Never got any decent answers did we. Because they don't have any?
Scuffers said:
are you a pair of 5 year olds?
Jesus it's hard work when faced with not only belligerent, but willfully STUPID idiots.
UKIP got 12.6% of the VOTE, yes, that's people that actually voted, in the same way the Tories won an outright majority with 11,300,303 votes, ie. 36.8% of the VOTE (not 24.3% of the electorate).
GOT IT?
Yes, we have it. Jesus it's hard work when faced with not only belligerent, but willfully STUPID idiots.
UKIP got 12.6% of the VOTE, yes, that's people that actually voted, in the same way the Tories won an outright majority with 11,300,303 votes, ie. 36.8% of the VOTE (not 24.3% of the electorate).
GOT IT?
We live in Parliamentary democracy where first past the post matters, and losing doesn't.
Your party went into the election knowing this.
It got crunched.
Now you have to live with that. No voice, no influence. Understand?
Now, how about you to stand with the wilfully stupid idiots in the corner with the pointy hats. They may not be white or cover your face, but I'm sure they will suit you just the same.
FiF said:
Plus as always there are enough don't knows, undecideds and refuseniks to swing the vote comprehensively either way.
Indeed. So if we apply Mr Strawman's logic of taking figures for a eligible voter electorate and take the YouGov poll saying 45% in, 35% out and 20% undecided and wanted to present bulls
t opinions based on twisting it more than slightly, we could say a minority of the total electorate have expressed an opinion to stay in. See how you can dress it up and twist it ? The initial statement about not wanting to be part of a 'small minority of rabid isolationists' doesn't look so sound when you yourself said it was based it on immigration and EU in/out when 75% want a cut in immigration and 35% already want out of the EU. Can we present it as it is and stop the bulls
t now please ? Greg66 said:
Now, how about you to stand with the wilfully stupid idiots in the corner with the pointy hats. They may not be white or cover your face, but I'm sure they will suit you just the same.
I'm sure you aren't referring to a KKK hood and screaming racist without actually wanting to say it. Disastrous said:
Guam said:
Disastrous said:
He asked what people here think other countries think of us.
See, this is the problem with this thread. The utterly fervent Kippers can't actually discuss anything or stand to be cross-examined without resorting to ludicrous melodrama as per 4v6 or whatever he's called, or mounting a bizarre counter attack to any perceived slight.
And if anti-UKIP posters use equally ludicrous tactics (such as TKF showing how you can say anything at all without proof by calling someone a paedo in jest) it gets reported and he is banned from PH.
It makes any meaningful debate pointless and simply creates a situation where everyone sits and snipes at UKIP.
A poor show.
Calling someone that in today's world is no joking matter and if he was banned for it good he deserved itSee, this is the problem with this thread. The utterly fervent Kippers can't actually discuss anything or stand to be cross-examined without resorting to ludicrous melodrama as per 4v6 or whatever he's called, or mounting a bizarre counter attack to any perceived slight.
And if anti-UKIP posters use equally ludicrous tactics (such as TKF showing how you can say anything at all without proof by calling someone a paedo in jest) it gets reported and he is banned from PH.
It makes any meaningful debate pointless and simply creates a situation where everyone sits and snipes at UKIP.
A poor show.
There is no place on here for that kind of slur against other members
It didn't seem very jestful to me as I was reading that exchange and I suspect others must have felt likewise if as you say they dropped the ban hammer on him!
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