UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

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Mr_B

10,480 posts

249 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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rs1952 said:
Or to put this in old money...

About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.

About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.

One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
That's solely a point on Ukip's results. The point being made was that to limit immigration ( or as it was incorrectly called, no to immigration ) and the be in favour of leaving the EU is not a small minority. Trying to present Ukip's vote share of eligible voters as being proof of such was therefore a dishonest attempt.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

280 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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rs1952 said:
Or to put this in old money...

About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.

About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.

One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
Look, i know it's hard at times all this reading stuff, but please try and read what he said, not what you want to think he said.

Edited by Scuffers on Saturday 27th June 21:04

Strawman

6,463 posts

213 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Scuffers said:
Look, i know it's hard at times all this reading stuff, but please try and reds want he said, not what you want to think he said.
Can you translate that into English please?

rs1952

5,247 posts

265 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Scuffers said:
rs1952 said:
Or to put this in old money...

About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.

About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.

One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
Look, i know it's hard at times all this reading stuff, but please try and reds want he said, not what you want to think he said.
I agree it's hard all this reading stUff, especially when somebody posts "but please try and reds want he said." wink

Scuffers

20,887 posts

280 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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rs1952 said:
I agree it's hard all this reading stUff, especially when somebody posts "but please try and reds want he said." wink
are you a pair of 5 year olds?

Jesus it's hard work when faced with not only belligerent, but willfully STUPID idiots.

UKIP got 12.6% of the VOTE, yes, that's people that actually voted, in the same way the Tories won an outright majority with 11,300,303 votes, ie. 36.8% of the VOTE (not 24.3% of the electorate).

GOT IT?


Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

250 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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rs1952 said:
Scuffers said:
rs1952 said:
Or to put this in old money...

About one-eighth of the electorate who voted cast their vote for UKIP.

About one-eleventh of the total electorate who were eligible to vote cast their vote for UKIP.

One eight or one eleventh. Whichever figure you want to use, we are not talking very big proportions, are we?
Look, i know it's hard at times all this reading stuff, but please try and reds want he said, not what you want to think he said.
I agree it's hard all this reading stUff, especially when somebody posts "but please try and reds want he said." wink
Christ on a crutch. Scuffers' English can be a bit wayward at times but that looks like a straightforward phone autocorrect error to me; weak, weak argument.

Strawman

6,463 posts

213 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Einion Yrth said:
weak, weak argument.
The real weak argument is that the UK electorate are in favour of Brexit, when all polls suggest the majority want to remain in the EU. The majority could be wrong but aside from bluster about Eastern European economic migrants and, I would list the other things but can't represent the relevant arguments with the fervour of a true kipper.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

249 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Strawman said:
Einion Yrth said:
weak, weak argument.
The real weak argument is that the UK electorate are in favour of Brexit, when all polls suggest the majority want to remain in the EU. The majority could be wrong but aside from bluster about Eastern European economic migrants and, I would list the other things but can't represent the relevant arguments with the fervour of a true kipper.
Who is claiming that it's more than 51% of people wanting out ?

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

250 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Strawman said:
Einion Yrth said:
weak, weak argument.
The real weak argument is that the UK electorate are in favour of Brexit, when all polls suggest the majority want to remain in the EU. The majority could be wrong but aside from bluster about Eastern European economic migrants and, I would list the other things but can't represent the relevant arguments with the fervour of a true kipper.
Had I wished to engage with you I could have chosen to do so, I didn't; your username is well chosen. Please do not darken my towels again.

Strawman

6,463 posts

213 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Laugh a cat may look at a queen, I have no desire to use your towels.

Strawman

6,463 posts

213 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Guam said:
Frankly I will wait and see what actually transpiressmile
It's a fair point, I will too.

FiF

45,388 posts

257 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Plus as always there are enough don't knows, undecideds and refuseniks to swing the vote comprehensively either way.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

249 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Strawman said:
It's a fair point, I will too.
So no answer as to who was claiming more than 51% were in favour then ?

FiF

45,388 posts

257 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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If TKF were still around, incidentally that was news to me he'd been binned, but if he were still around he'd be saying I knew this was an article by Carswell before he'd clicked the link so as he's not here then just so you all know, it's an op-ed by Douglas Carswell saying what we all knew, namely that the rest of Europe knows Cameron is only bluffing and going through the motions reduced to begging for a few white rabbits to pull out the hat to claim reform.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2...



Meanwhile to continue the theme of questions that have never been answered. It's probably two volumes ago where the pro EU mob who have been saying that we need to be in the EU but that the EU also needs to change were asked what they wanted to change. What must change and what would they do if they didn't get that change. Lines in the sand basically. Never got any decent answers did we. Because they don't have any?

anonymous-user

60 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Scuffers said:
are you a pair of 5 year olds?

Jesus it's hard work when faced with not only belligerent, but willfully STUPID idiots.

UKIP got 12.6% of the VOTE, yes, that's people that actually voted, in the same way the Tories won an outright majority with 11,300,303 votes, ie. 36.8% of the VOTE (not 24.3% of the electorate).

GOT IT?
Yes, we have it.

We live in Parliamentary democracy where first past the post matters, and losing doesn't.

Your party went into the election knowing this.

It got crunched.

Now you have to live with that. No voice, no influence. Understand?

Now, how about you to stand with the wilfully stupid idiots in the corner with the pointy hats. They may not be white or cover your face, but I'm sure they will suit you just the same.

anonymous-user

60 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Guam said:
That would be the same polling companies that forecast a neck and neck result between the Tories and Labour and a hung parliament.
Isn't that what you were forecasting?

Mr_B

10,480 posts

249 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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FiF said:
Plus as always there are enough don't knows, undecideds and refuseniks to swing the vote comprehensively either way.
Indeed. So if we apply Mr Strawman's logic of taking figures for a eligible voter electorate and take the YouGov poll saying 45% in, 35% out and 20% undecided and wanted to present bullst opinions based on twisting it more than slightly, we could say a minority of the total electorate have expressed an opinion to stay in. See how you can dress it up and twist it ?
The initial statement about not wanting to be part of a 'small minority of rabid isolationists' doesn't look so sound when you yourself said it was based it on immigration and EU in/out when 75% want a cut in immigration and 35% already want out of the EU. Can we present it as it is and stop the bullst now please ?

Mr_B

10,480 posts

249 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Greg66 said:
Now, how about you to stand with the wilfully stupid idiots in the corner with the pointy hats. They may not be white or cover your face, but I'm sure they will suit you just the same.
I'm sure you aren't referring to a KKK hood and screaming racist without actually wanting to say it.

don4l

10,058 posts

182 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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Disastrous said:
Guam said:
Disastrous said:
He asked what people here think other countries think of us.

See, this is the problem with this thread. The utterly fervent Kippers can't actually discuss anything or stand to be cross-examined without resorting to ludicrous melodrama as per 4v6 or whatever he's called, or mounting a bizarre counter attack to any perceived slight.

And if anti-UKIP posters use equally ludicrous tactics (such as TKF showing how you can say anything at all without proof by calling someone a paedo in jest) it gets reported and he is banned from PH.

It makes any meaningful debate pointless and simply creates a situation where everyone sits and snipes at UKIP.

A poor show.
Calling someone that in today's world is no joking matter and if he was banned for it good he deserved it
There is no place on here for that kind of slur against other members
It didn't seem very jestful to me as I was reading that exchange and I suspect others must have felt likewise if as you say they dropped the ban hammer on him!
Abssolute drivel. Of course it's a joking matter in that context. It was more than clearly intended to highlight how ridiculous just saying things with no proof whatsoever is. Anyone unable to see that and separate it from absurd paedo-hysteria needs to get their head examined.
Do you think that Connie St Louis should be praised, or punished, for her expose of Sir Tim Hunt's recent comments?

slyelessar

359 posts

114 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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I'm surprised there is a thread even about UKIP on the forum...

On the plus side, gay marriage in America.