An Answer to Anti Social behaviour
Discussion
highway said:
Some very sensible stuff
The trouble is - how do you differentiate between the family with the wayward child and the completely f
ked family? And even if you get the right answer in the end - through however many hours / days of court hearings - how do you repair the financial and employability damage created in the process? Add in a few fabricated allegations from the wayward member (because they're already in a legal process and it seems like attention-grabbing fun) and you have a recipe for destruction.On the whole I agree with you, however life experience tells me it's not always so easy to establish an accurate prejudice. And you're probably right that removing TV would cause about as much trauma as going to prison. My 4YO daughter was asking about things they didn't have in the olden days this evening - television was in that list. She then asked "so what did they watch?"
Anyone found guilty would have the "TV" sentence. Where a team of crack TV marksmen would be able to breakdown the door of thier house any time of the day or night, and smash the telly, st on the sofa, and piss in the kettle.
There would be no warning, just a vague "expect a visit in the next 3 years"
As far as people to DO this job, I believe that firemen could be retrained, and could fit this in between putting out fires and saving cats.
t on the sofa, and piss in the kettle. There would be no warning, just a vague "expect a visit in the next 3 years"
As far as people to DO this job, I believe that firemen could be retrained, and could fit this in between putting out fires and saving cats.
oldcynic said:
he trouble is - how do you differentiate between the family with the wayward child and the completely fked family? And even if you get the right answer in the end - through however many hours / days of court hearings - how do you repair the financial and employability damage created in the process? Add in a few fabricated allegations from the wayward member (because they're already in a legal process and it seems like attention-grabbing fun) and you have a recipe for destruction.
On the whole I agree with you, however life experience tells me it's not always so easy to establish an accurate prejudice. And you're probably right that removing TV would cause about as much trauma as going to prison. My 4YO daughter was asking about things they didn't have in the olden days this evening - television was in that list. She then asked "so what did they watch?"
You differentiate by doing what probation do already. Check the PNC records of all members of a family. Easy. I have experience of neighbour disputes in the past. It's easy to forget that one scumbag family can really destroy the lives of a road full of other families. I stress I'm not suggesting that my proposed tv control order is the magic bullet for dealing with the sort of problems I've described. But it could have an immediate impact that the person/ family concerned would notice every day. ked family? And even if you get the right answer in the end - through however many hours / days of court hearings - how do you repair the financial and employability damage created in the process? Add in a few fabricated allegations from the wayward member (because they're already in a legal process and it seems like attention-grabbing fun) and you have a recipe for destruction.On the whole I agree with you, however life experience tells me it's not always so easy to establish an accurate prejudice. And you're probably right that removing TV would cause about as much trauma as going to prison. My 4YO daughter was asking about things they didn't have in the olden days this evening - television was in that list. She then asked "so what did they watch?"
Teenage son won't turn his music down. At all. Stands in his garden with his mates swearing, shouting. You knock the door and ask, politely if he could tone down the music and the language. Dad tells you to 'bucking do one' you call police. They attend and speak with dad. Next day your car has been keyed while it's on your drive. Mum from next door smiles at you and says-your car looks nice, laughs and walks in. Music goes on real loud. Call police. No witnesses, nothing we can do. Constant sounds of swearing, arguing and fighting next door. Call police. Call council. Drip drip. There's nothing anyone can do.
Easy to be dismissive if it's not you it affects. Not suggesting tv control is the ultimate sanction, but it's more than ther is at present, it's cheap, workable and would deter.
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New POD said:
Anyone found guilty would have the "TV" sentence. Where a team of crack TV marksmen would be able to breakdown the door of thier house any time of the day or night, and smash the telly, st on the sofa, and piss in the kettle.
There would be no warning, just a vague "expect a visit in the next 3 years"
As far as people to DO this job, I believe that firemen could be retrained, and could fit this in between putting out fires and saving cats.
Funnyt on the sofa, and piss in the kettle. There would be no warning, just a vague "expect a visit in the next 3 years"
As far as people to DO this job, I believe that firemen could be retrained, and could fit this in between putting out fires and saving cats.
highway said:
You differentiate by doing what probation do already. Check the PNC records of all members of a family. Easy. I have experience of neighbour disputes in the past. It's easy to forget that one scumbag family can really destroy the lives of a road full of other families. I stress I'm not suggesting that my proposed tv control order is the magic bullet for dealing with the sort of problems I've described. But it could have an immediate impact that the person/ family concerned would notice every day.
Teenage son won't turn his music down. At all. Stands in his garden with his mates swearing, shouting. You knock the door and ask, politely if he could tone down the music and the language. Dad tells you to 'bucking do one' you call police. They attend and speak with dad. Next day your car has been keyed while it's on your drive. Mum from next door smiles at you and says-your car looks nice, laughs and walks in. Music goes on real loud. Call police. No witnesses, nothing we can do. Constant sounds of swearing, arguing and fighting next door. Call police. Call council. Drip drip. There's nothing anyone can do.
Easy to be dismissive if it's not you it affects. Not suggesting tv control is the ultimate sanction, but it's more than ther is at present, it's cheap, workable and would deter.
D
It sounds like we've both had some rather undesirable experiences (and no my experience did not get as bad as my conjecture). The problem is that people like this simply won't recognise that they've done anything wrong, and if TV is banned in their house they'll just watch it in yours before sTeenage son won't turn his music down. At all. Stands in his garden with his mates swearing, shouting. You knock the door and ask, politely if he could tone down the music and the language. Dad tells you to 'bucking do one' you call police. They attend and speak with dad. Next day your car has been keyed while it's on your drive. Mum from next door smiles at you and says-your car looks nice, laughs and walks in. Music goes on real loud. Call police. No witnesses, nothing we can do. Constant sounds of swearing, arguing and fighting next door. Call police. Call council. Drip drip. There's nothing anyone can do.
Easy to be dismissive if it's not you it affects. Not suggesting tv control is the ultimate sanction, but it's more than ther is at present, it's cheap, workable and would deter.
D
tting on your sofa and pissing in your kettle. Of course while you've got more to lose than them, they will always win.
highway said:
So you do nothing? Accept that fines don't work, they won't go to prison and nothing can be tried? Or you try something else, designed to irritate and annoy, a punishment if you will
If I knew an effective answer then I wouldn't still be scratching a living as an IT bod. You would however be on to something if house arrest was part of the package.oldcynic said:
If I knew an effective answer then I wouldn't still be scratching a living as an IT bod. You would however be on to something if house arrest was part of the package.
Too expensive to,Police. Knowing the old bill can pop into your gaff would be unpleasant and crucially, cost the taxpayer very little. Who knows what other activity these visits may curtail as well?Very much like the sentencing lottery idea...can't see our centre left chums in government having that either.
Wombat3 said:
Sentencing lottery: convicted for burglary, car theft, fraud, vandalism etc?
Into the monthly lottery & a few lucky winners win 25 year sentences, no parole.
Petty crime rates through the floor overnight
If you want to make it softer then it doesn't apply to first offenders.
Good and cost effective idea, but it sounds like a Human Rights Lawyers dream.Into the monthly lottery & a few lucky winners win 25 year sentences, no parole.
Petty crime rates through the floor overnight
If you want to make it softer then it doesn't apply to first offenders.
Implant an RF chip in their neck. Mass produce a cheap, easily installed, RF detector with a siren and flashing lights. Call it "Tw@ttector". Fit one in every shop doorway, bar, restaurant or cafe, every bus, tram or taxi and every other lamppost. Sell them to Joe Public to fit to their own front door.
Make it compulsory to refuse any service or social courtesy to anyone who sets off the TT.
Make it compulsory to refuse any service or social courtesy to anyone who sets off the TT.
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