Georgie Porgie, Puddin' and Pie
Discussion
crankedup said:
Seriously! is that all its expected to raise, no wonder previous Chancellors haven't introduced this, its barmy.
Why do you like VAT so much you want to see more of it? is it a personal thing or just backing the need to pay back the deficit.
I agree with reducing the deficit and that most of the part of this that comes from taxation should preferably come from taxing consumption and not incomeWhy do you like VAT so much you want to see more of it? is it a personal thing or just backing the need to pay back the deficit.
gtdc said:
I wonder when Milliband was last in Greggs?
Today. Some labour bint made the point of tweeting that she, Miliband and Balls were munching on a greggs today. In fact it's almost as if there was a party direction to have as many Labs as possible seen eating a greggs today.
Not that a political party would do something as pathetic as that, of course.
Samerati said:
gtdc said:
I wonder when Milliband was last in Greggs?
Today. Some labour bint made the point of tweeting that she, Miliband and Balls were munching on a greggs today. In fact it's almost as if there was a party direction to have as many Labs as possible seen eating a greggs today.
Not that a political party would do something as pathetic as that, of course.
Puggit said:
gtdc said:
I wonder when Milliband was last in Greggs?
Why, just earlier today. He pops in everyday, as he's in touch with the common man... 
he looks in that picture, still, I bet it will get some thinking "hey, he's just like me, I eat in Greggs"What a complete
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JagLover said:
crankedup said:
Seriously! is that all its expected to raise, no wonder previous Chancellors haven't introduced this, its barmy.
Why do you like VAT so much you want to see more of it? is it a personal thing or just backing the need to pay back the deficit.
I agree with reducing the deficit and that most of the part of this that comes from taxation should preferably come from taxing consumption and not incomeWhy do you like VAT so much you want to see more of it? is it a personal thing or just backing the need to pay back the deficit.
crankedup said:
JagLover said:
crankedup said:
Seriously! is that all its expected to raise, no wonder previous Chancellors haven't introduced this, its barmy.
Why do you like VAT so much you want to see more of it? is it a personal thing or just backing the need to pay back the deficit.
I agree with reducing the deficit and that most of the part of this that comes from taxation should preferably come from taxing consumption and not incomeWhy do you like VAT so much you want to see more of it? is it a personal thing or just backing the need to pay back the deficit.
1: 250million is not a lot of money you say - that's how we got into this mess!
2: Reducing tax on 150k+ earners is a bad thing you say.... not if it actually brings in more cash to pay off our debts say I!
3: You focus on the takeaway pie from Geggs, yet your ignore the thousands of hot food vendors who have to pay the tax already. So it suits you to side with big business and their VAT avoidance scams just so you can make a political point.
And you call this political reality?
nellyleelephant said:
Puggit said:
gtdc said:
I wonder when Milliband was last in Greggs?
Why, just earlier today. He pops in everyday, as he's in touch with the common man... he looks in that picture, still, I bet it will get some thinking "hey, he's just like me, I eat in Greggs"What a complete
.He will be our next prime minister
richinleeds said:
Bing o said:
st food sold to st people. Boo fking hoo.
SNOBt food sold to st people. Boo fking hoo.Supermarket pies were better. That is how crap Greggs are.
crankedup said:
For me I would say that as we are one of the most heavily taxed Countries already, the Chancellor taxing our hot pies is a step to far. He makes an argument that is so easy for Labour to pour scorn, he reduces the direct tax on the 150k + earners yet slap a tax on a hot takeaway pie. Is he really so isolated from the political reality of what he is doing. I wonder, I really do. If it was to raise a substantial sum then at least that could be used as an argument to defend the proposal.
You talk of reducing tax on top earners as if this is some sort of long established top rate, rather than a Labour gimick days before they left office.I would suggest that even when reduced to 45P someone earning over £150K, who receives no personal allowance now let us not forget and has 2% of NI to add onto the 45% tax, is already paying their fair share even before you consider all the indirect taxes they pay.
Do you really think it was sustainable for the UK to have the highest top rate of tax of any of the world's signficant financial centres?
This is about competition
Fish and chip shops (you know, the small independant ones, where the owner works his arse off), have to charge VAT on pies, pasties, and hot chicken.
The really big retailers, such as Tesco, Greggs and various other faceless corporate non entities don't.
how is this fair?
trust me the big boys really don't need this arbitary advantage- just create a level playing field.
Fish and chip shops (you know, the small independant ones, where the owner works his arse off), have to charge VAT on pies, pasties, and hot chicken.
The really big retailers, such as Tesco, Greggs and various other faceless corporate non entities don't.
how is this fair?
trust me the big boys really don't need this arbitary advantage- just create a level playing field.
andymadmak said:
crankedup said:
JagLover said:
crankedup said:
Seriously! is that all its expected to raise, no wonder previous Chancellors haven't introduced this, its barmy.
Why do you like VAT so much you want to see more of it? is it a personal thing or just backing the need to pay back the deficit.
I agree with reducing the deficit and that most of the part of this that comes from taxation should preferably come from taxing consumption and not incomeWhy do you like VAT so much you want to see more of it? is it a personal thing or just backing the need to pay back the deficit.
1: 250million is not a lot of money you say - that's how we got into this mess!
2: Reducing tax on 150k+ earners is a bad thing you say.... not if it actually brings in more cash to pay off our debts say I!
3: You focus on the takeaway pie from Geggs, yet your ignore the thousands of hot food vendors who have to pay the tax already. So it suits you to side with big business and their VAT avoidance scams just so you can make a political point.
And you call this political reality?
250 million is not a lot of money I say in context of the political mess this brings. Its all very well suggesting that this drop in the ocean, for that is what it is, helps pay off the deficit but I would suggest that the former Chancellors have not introduced this particular tax owing to the problems it will inherently bring, as confirmed by a previous Tory Chancellor. Also the deficit is not an excuse for indulging into political fantasy, as seems to be the case with Osbourne.
The tax reduction for the wealthy is a nod to the Chancellors pals, he is quite happy to see the average person pay more to fund this cut. Nothing is yet proven that tax reductions increases tax take.
Tax avoidance is perfectly legal and sensible. You can't have it both ways.
Yes of course I will use most of what is available to make a political point, that is political reality.
I am only thankful that the Lib-Dems are restraining the worst excesses of the Conservatives.
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