Mrs Thatcher - rather different from todays politicians

[Oakey]

It's funny how the people who wax lyrical about Thatcher destroying the mining industry are the same ones that bang on about environmenatlism, climate change and renewable energy and the like.

[XCP]

Gargamel said:

Can you provide a source for Winston "inventing" concentration camps ? I suggest you are inaccurate in this regard. Plus he was born in 1874, The Empire was almost at its greatest, it would be very unusual to find many people in the UK who did feel superior to other nations (and by implication the peoples of those nations)

As to your other charges - That Churchill ordered the troops to charge the Welsh Miners - is funnily enough quite similar to Maggie. The British and Churchill were very nervous of Communism and revolutions in Europe spreading to the UK, He was landed Gentry so naturally he was never going to be embracing the ideals of Communist states.

Laughable and innaccurate, you could make similar charges against any Poltical leader (Lloyd George for example - any early model Berlusconi)

I thought Churchill was a journalist during the Boer War?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

So let's get this straight. This thread is about congratulating a Prime Minister for not being on the fiddle? Holding her up as a paragon of virtue for not being a crook? Is that how low the bar is set, that any PM who turns out not to be a thief is hailed as some kind of political hero/heroin?

How sad.

[Caulkhead]

guards red said:

Caulkhead said:

guards red said:

Worst PM this country ever had.

Care to back that up?

Grew up up North during her time. Had a whole period of my life under her stewardship, couldn't begin to put it into more words than I already have. Despise would have to do.

That's a no then is it?

[TheHeretic]

Caulkhead said:

guards red said:

Caulkhead said:

guards red said:

Worst PM this country ever had.

Care to back that up?

Grew up up North during her time. Had a whole period of my life under her stewardship, couldn't begin to put it into more words than I already have. Despise would have to do.

That's a no then is it?

I grew up in the north, but like Thatcher. Being 'Northern' does not explain a single thing. Any chance you could actually give a real reason, Red?

[MrCheese]

Caulkhead said:

guards red said:

Caulkhead said:

guards red said:

Worst PM this country ever had.

Care to back that up?

Grew up up North during her time. Had a whole period of my life under her stewardship, couldn't begin to put it into more words than I already have. Despise would have to do.

That's a no then is it?

Well I think back to the very fond memories of Derek Hatton in the north during her time. Yeah, Maggie was really bad...

[Caulkhead]

TheHeretic said:

Caulkhead said:

guards red said:

Caulkhead said:

guards red said:

Worst PM this country ever had.

Care to back that up?

Grew up up North during her time. Had a whole period of my life under her stewardship, couldn't begin to put it into more words than I already have. Despise would have to do.

That's a no then is it?

I grew up in the north, but like Thatcher. Being 'Northern' does not explain a single thing. Any chance you could actually give a real reason, Red?

I think he misunderstood my question - I didn't ask how much he hated Thatcher, I asked him to back up why he thought she was the worst ever PM.

Perhaps he'll re-read it and get back to us.

[XCP]

Anyone who thinks Thatcher was the worst PM in history, doesn't know much history.

[guards red]

Caulkhead said:

TheHeretic said:

Caulkhead said:

guards red said:

Caulkhead said:

guards red said:

Worst PM this country ever had.

Care to back that up?

Grew up up North during her time. Had a whole period of my life under her stewardship, couldn't begin to put it into more words than I already have. Despise would have to do.

That's a no then is it?

I grew up in the north, but like Thatcher. Being 'Northern' does not explain a single thing. Any chance you could actually give a real reason, Red?

I think he misunderstood my question - I didn't ask how much he hated Thatcher, I asked him to back up why he thought she was the worst ever PM.

Perhaps he'll re-read it and get back to us.

No, I understood your question, I thought I had answered. I know how I felt about her growing up. I however don't want to get into a discussion about how all I was wrong all those years ago. Besides, stop picking on me you bully.

[TheHeretic]

guards red said:

No, I understood your question, I thought I had answered. I know how I felt about her growing up. I however don't want to get into a discussion about how all I was wrong all those years ago. Besides, stop picking on me you bully.

How bizarre.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

So let's get this straight. This thread is about congratulating a Prime Minister for not being on the fiddle? Holding her up as a paragon of virtue for not being a crook? Is that how low the bar is set, that any PM who turns out not to be a thief is hailed as some kind of political hero/heroin?

How sad.

Do you see Blair, Gordo or even Cameron doing that ? They were happy to let public money pay for their gardening, painting and decorating as if born to that right, god can only imagine what B-liar claimed for, mouth enlargement surgery for his betrothed Cerberus perhaps?

Here is a president with a philosophy to live by.

If you don't have many possessions then you don't need to work all your life like a slave to sustain them, and therefore you have more time for yourself

[Trommel]

Oakey said:

It's funny how the people who wax lyrical about Thatcher destroying the mining industry are the same ones that bang on about environmenatlism, climate change and renewable energy and the like

Pits closed by Wilson = 204

Pits closed by Thatcher = 59

They generally forget that (Labour) Lord Robens closed more than a mine a month.

[DWS]

IMHO she represented the worst in capitalisim. She promoted a me me me me ethos.
Whilst I don't beleive the last few governments have exactly represented themselves or us at all well she was the, again IMVHO, the catalyst for the situation we are, as a country, in now. Sure there are other influences that have brought us to the state we are in, unions arn't unblameable, but we seem to have developed, since her PM ship, a scociety where no-one cares for thier fellow man (or woman)on a human level.

Hands up, I am a Socialist (or at least try to be, but I am now where near perfect or beleive we are all equal etc etc). She appeard to me to be devoid of any human kindness in any sense.

Just my 2 pence worth.

[speedy_thrills]

Oakey said:

It's funny how the people who wax lyrical about Thatcher destroying the mining industry are the same ones that bang on about environmenatlism, climate change and renewable energy and the like.

I think what's often forgotten about Thatchers government is that very unpopular due to unemployment and recession in her first term in office. In effect her policies had made a bad situation worse. However the Falklands war turned her popularity and north sea oil revenues allowed the UK to avoid the severe austerity you face today in the UK. It's not that she wasn't good but she was lucky as well.

The popular perception of governments is often owed more to societal and technological advancements than to any attempt at planning or policy.

[Gargamel]

XCP said:

I thought Churchill was a journalist during the Boer War?

He was indeed a war correspondent, but also during the conflict then joined the Army

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2094822/Ph...


I was responding to some fool who suggested Winston invented Concentration Camps.

[deltaevo16]

Trommel said:

Pits closed by Wilson = 204

Pits closed by Thatcher = 59

They generally forget that (Labour) Lord Robens closed more than a mine a month.

Think the figure for closures under her tenure are around the 150 mark.

Yes good old Maggie, oh how I miss her, the devisive, destructive witch. The Falklands saved her ass, shame the Argies invaded.

[TheHeretic]

deltaevo16 said:

Think the figure for closures under her tenure are around the 150 mark.

Yes good old Maggie, oh how I miss her, the devisive, destructive witch. The Falklands saved her ass, shame the Argies invaded.

Nope. Many were sold off to private enterprise, but the strikes, and the decline of coal use in the UK, as well as much cheaper imports meant that the rest of the coal industry was doomed. Have a look at the coal production in the UK stats. The decline was well in advance of any subsidy removal, and the strikes only caused a temporary dip. I would argue that the strikes did more to damage the mining industry than the removal of subsidy.

[Caulkhead]

guards red said:

Caulkhead said:

TheHeretic said:

Caulkhead said:

guards red said:

Caulkhead said:

guards red said:

Worst PM this country ever had.

Care to back that up?

Grew up up North during her time. Had a whole period of my life under her stewardship, couldn't begin to put it into more words than I already have. Despise would have to do.

That's a no then is it?

I grew up in the north, but like Thatcher. Being 'Northern' does not explain a single thing. Any chance you could actually give a real reason, Red?

I think he misunderstood my question - I didn't ask how much he hated Thatcher, I asked him to back up why he thought she was the worst ever PM.

Perhaps he'll re-read it and get back to us.

No, I understood your question, I thought I had answered. I know how I felt about her growing up. I however don't want to get into a discussion about how all I was wrong all those years ago. Besides, stop picking on me you bully.

You still don't seem to understand the question. You said she was the worst PM ever. I simply asked why she was the worst PM ever. You keep responding by telling me about your feelings which are irrelevant. By all means hate her, I won't argue with your emotions, but do tell me what she did that made her the worst PM ever.

[Caulkhead]

deltaevo16 said:

Trommel said:

Pits closed by Wilson = 204

Pits closed by Thatcher = 59

They generally forget that (Labour) Lord Robens closed more than a mine a month.

Think the figure for closures under her tenure are around the 150 mark.

Yes good old Maggie, oh how I miss her, the devisive, destructive witch. The Falklands saved her ass, shame the Argies invaded.

Buy a lot of coal do you? No, me neither.

I wonder why the pits closed. . . . . .

[TwigtheWonderkid]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Do you see Blair, Gordo or even Cameron doing that ?

What examples do you have of Gordon Brown being on the take? I wasn't aware he was implicated at all in any financial impropriety. He certainly hasn't exploited his life in politics for financial gain since leaving office. If you know otherwise, let's hear it.