What has the EU done to you?

[Guybrush]

You can be sure if the EU was so beneficial to us, those in support of it would have provided a nice long list of benefits, showing how they outweigh the listed disadvantages, such as £53 million a day cost.

[JensenA]

stemll

I'm afraid it is you who lives in a dream world.

The whole point of existence of the EU is to create an European State, that is why it exists.
We are EU citizens - it is supplementary to being a UK citizen, but the EU Citizen status is gradually becoming the primary status.
The EU has it's own President and Foreign Minister (Did you vote for them?) It has diplomatic representations through out the world, just like any other nation.

The EU is slowly pushing forward further integration thats a Fact. You are either for it, or against it.

[Hooli]

RSoovy4 said:

They have taken away our right to decide on our own laws.


That in itself is treason by those who have allowed it.

+Lots

Plus it costs us billions in which we get a few pence back to improve roads in NW Scotland. It's not a good deal, if we left we could fund all the same projects & have change. Not to mention the endless bullst paperwork that emanates from brussels and just makes it harder for businesses to succeed.

[stemll]

JensenA said:

stemll

I'm afraid it is you who lives in a dream world.

The whole point of existence of the EU is to create an European State, that is why it exists.
We are EU citizens - it is supplementary to being a UK citizen, but the EU Citizen status is gradually becoming the primary status.
The EU has it's own President and Foreign Minister (Did you vote for them?) It has diplomatic representations through out the world, just like any other nation.

The EU is slowly pushing forward further integration thats a Fact. You are either for it, or against it.

Never let the facts get in the way of some good old xenophobic paranoia.

[anonymous-user]

stemll said:

Never let the facts get in the way of some good old xenophobic paranoia.
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Ah that old chestnut! Sometimes there's nothing wrong with wanting to keep your own identity and to preserve self determination.
I'll ask you a few things - do you think the EU government / bureaucracy is as democratic and as open to scrutiny as our UK government and do you feel that you would have as much influence on choosing the people who govern the E.U ad you do when voting for a British government?

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th January 10:31

[anonymous-user]

stemll said:

Never let the facts get in the way of some good old xenophobic paranoia.
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Ah that old chestnut! Sometimes there's nothing wrong with wanting to keep your own identity and to preserve self determination.
I'll ask you a few things - do you think the EU government / bureaucracy is as democratic and as open to scrutiny as our UK government and do you feel that you would have as much influence on choosing the people who govern the E.U ad you do when voting for a British government?

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th January 10:31

[vonuber]

Our parliament votes to incorporate eu legislation does it not?

[stemll]

anonymous said:

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Read the factual replies I made to his points about passports and borders. Nothing whatsoever to do with what you're asking and I'm not getting into a debate about the comparison between the EU and Westminster as they're both full of sycophants.

[JensenA]

anonymous said:

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Why do you think those who do not want further integration into the EU are xenophobic??? What on earth makes you think that?

The EU is undemocratic, we don't elect them - what is xenophobic about that?
Are the Scots and the Welsh xenophobic if they want independence?

I'll repeat what I said before - If you want further integration into the EU, then that is your choice. But don't live in a dreamworld that the aim of the EU is NOT to become an European superstate. And don't label me, who spent 20 years of my life living abroad, as a xenophobic. I just happen to prefer the UK being an independent soverign nation, I do not want to be governed by unelected overpaid bureacrats based in Brussels, it's as simple as that.

[Ozzie Osmond]

JensenA said:

The EU is undemocratic, we don't elect them - what is xenophobic about that?

I just happen to prefer the UK being an independent soverign nation, I do not want to be governed by unelected overpaid bureacrats based in Brussels, it's as simple as that.

• Don't forget those unelected Germans living in Buckingham Palace will you...

• Don't forget no-one voted for a coalition...

• Don't forget no-one voted for Cameron as PM...

By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if UK spends more money subsidising South Wales and Cornwall than subsidising the rest of the EU.

EU is a good thing. Vote for it when the time comes.

[Caulkhead]

Ozzie Osmond said:

JensenA said:

The EU is undemocratic, we don't elect them - what is xenophobic about that?

I just happen to prefer the UK being an independent soverign nation, I do not want to be governed by unelected overpaid bureacrats based in Brussels, it's as simple as that.

• Don't forget those unelected Germans living in Buckingham Palace will you...

• Don't forget no-one voted for a coalition...

• Don't forget no-one voted for Cameron as PM...

By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if UK spends more money subsidising South Wales and Cornwall than subsidising the rest of the EU.

EU is a good thing. Vote for it when the time comes.

We can vote to change the constitution and sack the royals if we choose. We don't vote for governments or PM's currently but we can vote to change that if we choose. We can't vote to change anything in the EU, that's the democratic deficit in the EU.

The EU costs us £65bn a year - if you think we subsidise South Wales and Cornwall to anywhere near that level, you're an ideal EU sheep.

[elster]

• EU Landfill fines
• EU Cookie Law
• RoHS
• HP Sauce no longer being allowed to have the same recipe!
• Employment Laws
• The CAA and their pain in the ass box ticking crew that distinctly don't like people flying
• Wind Turbines

I would go on, but there is just too many issues causes by the EU Commission.

The fact they are a non democratic organisation, where elected members do not get to decided what can be discussed. They simply get to talk and vote. Don't worry the votes are irrelevant as well.

[Ozzie Osmond]

Caulkhead said:

We can vote to change the constitution and sack the royals if we choose.

Oh yes? You show me where it says that.

Caulkhead said:

We can't vote to change anything in the EU, that's the democratic deficit in the EU.

That really is nonsense. UK has exactly the same input as other member states.

Caulkhead said:

The EU costs us £65bn a year - if you think we subsidise South Wales and Cornwall to anywhere near that level, you're an ideal EU sheep.

I'm afraid you're displaying your ignorance there. For instance, "Welsh identifiable public spending per head broke the £10,000 barrier for the first time in 2010-11. At the same time the Welsh population passed the three million mark mid-2010."

3,000,000,000 people at £10,000 = £30bn spent in Wales alone. That's just one small region of UK and a big slug of that spend is net cost. Hence Wales, unlike Scotland, isn't bleating for independence. Add in the other naff UK regions and it puts the EU figure into perspective.

Caulkhead said:

you're an ideal EU sheep.

No comment, in view of your failures above.

[JensenA]

Ozzie Osmond said:

JensenA said:

The EU is undemocratic, we don't elect them - what is xenophobic about that?

I just happen to prefer the UK being an independent soverign nation, I do not want to be governed by unelected overpaid bureacrats based in Brussels, it's as simple as that.

• Don't forget those unelected Germans living in Buckingham Palace will you...

• Don't forget no-one voted for a coalition...

• Don't forget no-one voted for Cameron as PM...

By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if UK spends more money subsidising South Wales and Cornwall than subsidising the rest of the EU.

EU is a good thing. Vote for it when the time comes.

What a pathetic, childish reply

• I'm not at all envious of the unelected Royals - they don't rule or govern us.

• No one voted for the coalition? Well for that previous 14 years I didn't vote for Labour, but I was still subject to theor policies, and I'm suffering the consequences of their term in power - But at least every few years I had the chance to try and vote them out. I have no choice in electing anyone in the EU.

• No one voted for Cameron? We all knew he would become PM if the conservatives won - so millions did actually vote for him.

• Subsidies for Wales, NI and Scotland? Well so what, they are all British, I don't mind because I'm also British.

The EU is a good thing?

Well explain why you think it is, convince me and all the others, you never know you may actually persuade me.

But don't include any of the following standard lies.

We need to be in the EU to trade.
We need to be in the EU so we can travel their.
We need to be in the EU because we can go and work there.

[stemll]

JensenA said:

And don't label me, who spent 20 years of my life living abroad, as a xenophobic.

JensenA said:

* Subsidies for Wales, NI and Scotland? Well so what, they are all British, I don't mind because I'm also British.

Errr, OK I won't. I'll leave it to you to do it.

Oh, and I wouldn't run around telling the Scots and the Irish republicans that they're British if I were you.

[s2art]

stemll said:

Oh, and I wouldn't run around telling the Scots and the Irish republicans that they're British if I were you.

They are British whether they like it or not. This is the British Isles.

[stemll]

s2art said:

stemll said:

Oh, and I wouldn't run around telling the Scots and the Irish republicans that they're British if I were you.

They are British whether they like it or not. This is the British Isles.

Better tell Alan that he's a European whether he likes it or not then. This is the EU.

[DonnyMac]

Ozzie Osmond said:

3,000,000,000 people at £10,000 = £30bn spent in Wales alone.

There are 3bn people in Wales?

[JensenA]

s2art said:

stemll said:

Oh, and I wouldn't run around telling the Scots and the Irish republicans that they're British if I were you.

They are British whether they like it or not. This is the British Isles.

Cheers mate - you saved me the trouble of pointing that out

[JensenA]

stemll said:

s2art said:

stemll said:

Oh, and I wouldn't run around telling the Scots and the Irish republicans that they're British if I were you.

They are British whether they like it or not. This is the British Isles.

Better tell Alan that he's a European whether he likes it or not then. This is the EU.

Thank you - At last, you're starting to see the light