420 Cannabis Picnic - Why So Many Police ?

[RobinOakapple]

V6Pushfit said:

RobinOakapple said:

I'm guessing you think cannabis is a bad thing then?

For every person you know or have seen with a bad result from smoking it I'm quite sure I could find many times that number of those adversely affected by alcohol. If you single out cannabis you are not looking at the whole picture and your opinion is therefore flawed.

I don't used any mind-altering substances now but if someone insisted that they were going to use one, then I would recommend weed every single time.

Its a cop-out argument to compare with another substance to justify why cannabis is all tickety boo. Cannabis wrecks lives and causes psychosis and chronic mental problems - FACT cannabis is a gateway drug - FACT

It's a cop-out argument to misrepresent what another person has said. To save you having to go back and read it again, I did NOT say smoking weed was ok, but I clearly implied that it was less harmful that, for instance, alcohol.

Cannabis is no more a gateway drug than alcohol, glue, butane, tranquilisers etc etc. There will always be people who want or need to go further in getting away from their own personalities.

[Jazzy Jefferson]

V6Pushfit said:

So not banning it would make it less available would it?

You miss the point.
It's so widely available, that legal or not, it makes no difference, as you have seen with all your buddies who have had their lives ruined. You are not reducing the quantity of available weed by it being illegal, in fact demand/supply is on the increase and has been for some years.

The point of legalisation should be, to turn this situation into something that could benefit all of us (Income through tax, better education and research, there ARE medical benefits etc.)

For sure, don't legalise it if that's your opinion and of course, currently it IS illegal. But don't be fooled into thinking that by it being illegal you are solving any of the issues that you or anyone else might have with weed.

[AH33]

PH XKR said:

for you maybe, I wouldnt know the first place to go look or ask so I presume you live in Brixton or somewhere similar

Depending on how old you are, there's someone smoking at every party, at every bar, in every street.

You just have to ask. Weed smokers tend to be friendly people.

[Devil2575]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon...

[Roscco]

bad company said:

PH XKR said:

Well with 3 friends highly dependant on it, if they dont get it they get into extreme rages, all 3 normal before use. But thats only 3 right?

I've never heard of anybody getting such a reaction from cannabis and I know a few users.

How odd that you know 3.

Very strange indeed, maybe its all in his head?

[anonymous-user]

Devil2575 said:

For various reasons people want to take mind alterning substances, be it alcohol, cannabis, LSD etc. The fact that some are legal and others not doesn't make much sense to me.

Prohibition does not work. The war on drugs was lost a long time ago.

Yes but if legal availability meant that 10% more use it then there would be 10% more needing mental health treatment resulting.
Ask anyone in mental health care - most cases they deal with are drug related and of those ALL are due to (or started with)
cannabis.

Go to an acute ward and see the intensive care rooms with anti ligature fittings and much of it started with cannabis

[Devil2575]

V6Pushfit said:

Devil2575 said:

For various reasons people want to take mind alterning substances, be it alcohol, cannabis, LSD etc. The fact that some are legal and others not doesn't make much sense to me.

Prohibition does not work. The war on drugs was lost a long time ago.

Yes but if legal availability meant that 10% more use it then there would be 10% more needing mental health treatment resulting.
Ask anyone in mental health care - most cases they deal with are drug related and of those ALL are due to (or started with)
cannabis.

Go to an acute ward and see the intensive care rooms with anti ligature fittings and much of it started with cannabis

Go into A&E on a Saturday night and see how many of the people are there due to the effects of alcohol.

I'm not saying that drugs cannot have negative side effects but for one to be legal and another not, especialy when the legal one places an enormous financial burden on society, doesn't make sense to me.

[vetrof]

PH XKR said:

for you maybe, I wouldnt know the first place to go look or ask so I presume you live in Brixton or somewhere similar

Brilliant, thanks for that. I haven't genuinely loled at a post for months.

[Greendubber]

AH33 said:

Depending on how old you are, there's someone smoking at every party, at every bar, in every street.

You just have to ask. Weed smokers tend to be friendly people.

In my experience most of the weed smokers I've dealt with are aggro chavs, far from friendly.

I think the days of the friendly stoners are long gone as they've been replaced with tracksuit clad feral dheads.

[Durzel]

Threads like this are a perfect example of why the Police will always be damned by some.

They don't set the Laws, they enforce them. If you have a problem with a Law, lobby your MP. If they ignored the fact these people were breaking the Law, that would've been wrong. If they turn up at all - that's a waste of Police resources (a subjective view, but hey ho)

On the face of it it sounds like they turned up in reasonable numbers given the number of people involved, made some arrests so as to satisfy those that want enforcement to be seen to be taking place and generally made their presence known. This seems to be about as moderate a position as you would hope to find whilst dealing with something that is ultimately unmanageable as mass civil disobedience is.

Yet, somehow that's still wrong. Don't know why anyone would want to be a cop with some of the attitudes around.

[bad company]

PH XKR said:

maybe I keep bad company

Very Good.

[Greendubber]

Durzel said:

Threads like this are a perfect example of why the Police will always be damned by some.

They don't set the Laws, they enforce them. If you have a problem with a Law, lobby your MP. If they ignored the fact these people were breaking the Law, that would've been wrong. If they turn up at all - that's a waste of Police resources (a subjective view, but hey ho)

On the face of it it sounds like they turned up in reasonable numbers given the number of people involved, made some arrests so as to satisfy those that want enforcement to be seen to be taking place and generally made their presence known. This seems to be about as moderate a position as you would hope to find whilst dealing with something that is ultimately unmanageable as mass civil disobedience is.

Yet, somehow that's still wrong. Don't know why anyone would want to be a cop with some of the attitudes around.

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[Aphex]

Greendubber said:

In my experience most of the weed smokers I've dealt with are aggro chavs, far from friendly.

I think the days of the friendly stoners are long gone as they've been replaced with tracksuit clad feral dheads.

I'd still have a weekly smoke if I could pop into a shop and buy it over the counter. But I agree, alot of those that are supplying really do fall into that stereotype (from my area anyway).

Luckily I'm heading to Amsterdam next month

[xjay1337]

TartanPaint said:

A police officer once told me, "If you overtake me in my marked patrol car at 85 on a motorway, I probably won't react. However, if other people see you overtake me, I will pull you. I cannot publicly condone it by letting you away with it."

Tell that to the police van I overtook at full chat on the A303 on Tuesday morning.

(Where's Daytona to tell you he overtook one at 178mph and got let off because he has slept with the chief constable)

[wolves_wanderer]

I've no problem with weed and remember my younger years when a copper told us to move to a quieter area of the park if my schoolmates and I wanted to carry on smoking it, but what are they supposed to do if a great big group turn up for that express purpose? If you're going to do something illegal then don't advertise it, even if the law is daft, police don't really have a choice in that situation.

[jshell]

Greendubber said:

In my experience most of the weed smokers I've dealt with are aggro chavs, far from friendly.

I think the days of the friendly stoners are long gone as they've been replaced with tracksuit clad feral dheads.

Can I ask for your, or anyone else's opinion on the Portugese experiment where everything has been decriminalised? It seems by allowing limited access to all classes of narcotics that their problems have somewhat abated...

[xjay1337]

On the actual subject -

Weed should be legalised
It's less dangerous than Alcohol.

[wolves_wanderer]

jshell said:

Greendubber said:

In my experience most of the weed smokers I've dealt with are aggro chavs, far from friendly.

I think the days of the friendly stoners are long gone as they've been replaced with tracksuit clad feral dheads.

Can I ask for your, or anyone else's opinion on the Portugese experiment where everything has been decriminalised? It seems by allowing limited access to all classes of narcotics that their problems have somewhat abated...

Considering the unemployment rate over there they probably just can't afford it

[jshell]

wolves_wanderer said:

jshell said:

Greendubber said:

In my experience most of the weed smokers I've dealt with are aggro chavs, far from friendly.

I think the days of the friendly stoners are long gone as they've been replaced with tracksuit clad feral dheads.

Can I ask for your, or anyone else's opinion on the Portugese experiment where everything has been decriminalised? It seems by allowing limited access to all classes of narcotics that their problems have somewhat abated...

Considering the unemployment rate over there they probably just can't afford it

Seems to me that most druggies are on the lower end of the economic scale...!

[eybic]

xjay1337 said:

On the actual subject -

Weed should be legalised
It's less dangerous than Alcohol.

In the horizon link posted earlier, their figures say that 1% of alcohol users die from it (40k deaths for 40m users compared to 0.000033333333333333335
% of weed smokers, the alcohol percentage is very similar to the tobacco percentage at 1.14%)