Why is this kid being branded innocent?

[krallicious]

Suppsoing that all of the facts are correct and it turns out the stabbing was self defence, we should be keeping our fingers crossed for the 22 year old the police are still questioning. It does seem like a horrible position to find yourself in, confronted by intruders in your own home

[Fittster]

Cara Van Man said:

Fittster said:

Cara Van Man said:

whatever he was, his family don't deserve to be insulted and baited.

Don't the family have any responsibility for the fact their son grew up to be a criminal? They don't appear to be ashamed or remorseful about the actions of their offspring.

Yes, they were responsible.

But at the end of the day, they are still feeling the same pain you or I would feel at losing a child.

He knew what he was doing and was thieving scum, but to go on his tribute site and rub his families nose in it by insulting them is not on I'm afraid.

Would we turn up at his funeral and say the same things? I don't think so.

Edited by Cara Van Man on Monday 16th March 10:51

The fact that his family feel pain at his death doesn't mean that the slate is wiped clean. I'd feel more pity for the parents if they came out and acknowledged that their son was a criminal. By attempting to white wash his character I can't respect them.

I'm coming to suspect that not everyone who dies young is good.

[G'kar]

Fittster said:

I'm coming to suspect that not everyone who dies young is good.

Oh yes they are.

At football.

[Cara Van Man]

Fittster said:

Cara Van Man said:

Fittster said:

Cara Van Man said:

whatever he was, his family don't deserve to be insulted and baited.

Don't the family have any responsibility for the fact their son grew up to be a criminal? They don't appear to be ashamed or remorseful about the actions of their offspring.

Yes, they were responsible.

But at the end of the day, they are still feeling the same pain you or I would feel at losing a child.

He knew what he was doing and was thieving scum, but to go on his tribute site and rub his families nose in it by insulting them is not on I'm afraid.

Would we turn up at his funeral and say the same things? I don't think so.

Edited by Cara Van Man on Monday 16th March 10:51

The fact that his family feel pain at his death doesn't mean that the slate is wiped clean. I'd feel more pity for the parents if they came out and acknowledged that their son was a criminal. By attempting to white wash his character I can't respect them.

I'm coming to suspect that not everyone who dies young is good.

No. I agree.

But we don't make ourselves look particularly good by posting some of the comments on that site and obviously linking them to PH. That's just plain dumb.

A similar thing happened when that Hells Angel bloke (Gerry something) was murdered, his girlfriend ended up coming onto PH and was haranged and insulted by a few tasteless idiots.

What sort of moron laughs in the face of a grieving mother or partner?

[okgo]

G'kar said:

Fittster said:

I'm coming to suspect that not everyone who dies young is good.

Oh yes they are.

At football.

Or music "rapping"

[Parrot of Doom]

Playing Devil's Advocate here, nobody has yet pointed out that this may have been an argument between 'friends' that has now been disguised as burglary.

Whatever, although I have little sympathy for this kid, I don't believe he deserved to die.

[randomman]

Parrot of Doom said:

Playing Devil's Advocate here, nobody has yet pointed out that this may have been an argument between 'friends' that has now been disguised as burglary.

Whatever, although I have little sympathy for this kid, I don't believe he deserved to die.

Many people that don't deserve to die do so. Many people that do deserve to die don't.

There are people I would rather save over this oik any day of the week

[ChristianZS]

I shall await more info before coming to my conclusion.

Here are some Facebook groups on the individual.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=60375636734
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=56980738788
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86897050448
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=53150274903

Certainly stupid to post from your own personal Facebook account about something rather controversial.

Edited by ChristianZS on Monday 16th March 11:42

Edited by ChristianZS on Monday 16th March 11:42

[Don]

Cara Van Man said:

What sort of moron laughs in the face of a grieving mother or partner?

The anonymous sort.

[Cara Van Man]

Don said:

Cara Van Man said:

What sort of moron laughs in the face of a grieving mother or partner?

The anonymous sort.

Says it all.

[ali_kat]

G'kar said:

Cara Van Man said:

Gosh.....I don't agree with going on his tribute site and having a pop, let his family grieve for fks sake.

....and especially linking it with Pistonheads...not too wise is it?

With you on that.

And if they can be identified - ban them from here!

[Kaelic]

Young kid where he shouldnt be and pays the price, if it is a case of him being a burglar and breaking into this house, its a tragedy of his own making. Its the householders I feel for (asuming they are innocent)

I did have a bit of a chuckle thought and tried to play "Chav Memory Bingo"

1) Was an aspiring footballer - Check
2) Beautiful Angel - Check
3) Single Parent who thinks he can do no wrong - Check
4) Was a spirited misunderstood lad (read thug) - Check
5) Loved his Mam or Nan - Not Yet.... I feel it will be soon enough


Shame that people seem to blame others for their failings for bringing their children up nowadays and consider their little thug (usually a spirited lad) a little angel, despite them being implicit in all sorts of tomfoolery!

[Mark Benson]

FarleyRusk said:

Bing o said:

FarleyRusk said:

randomman said:

Gone too soon? Sounds to me he went one break in too late!

Simple Fact - He would be alive if he hadn't have CHOSEN to break the law. His choice and he needs to live with it... Oh right, well he needs to rot with it then.

Aye. The same is true of that Illegal Brazilian electrician Menendes, that lots of hearts were bleeding about recently, right?

HE WASN'T HERE ILLEGALLY YOU CLOWN

One of the bleeding hearts has arrived Calm down Mary - you'll do yourself a mischief!
So did he have a current working visa then?

He was here legally.

The enquiry into his death said:

Mr Roach told the court Mr de Menezes first entered the country on 13 March 2002 and was given six months' leave to remain, before extending his stay, as a student, to 30 June 2003.

The next record was of him arriving in Ireland from France on 23 April 2005 but there was no notification of when he returned to the UK.

The court heard how as a person entering Britain from Ireland, he would have had an automatic three-month leave to remain which at the earliest would have run out on 23 July, the day after he was killed.

The visa thing was put about by the authorities when they realised the dropped a bk and shot a bloke who looked nothing like the one they thought they were following.

It doesn't ake a bleeding heart to research the truth. My heart certainly isn't bleeding for Mummy's little 'solja'.

[FarleyRusk]

fido said:

FarleyRusk said:

Bing o said:

FarleyRusk said:

randomman said:

Gone too soon? Sounds to me he went one break in too late!

Simple Fact - He would be alive if he hadn't have CHOSEN to break the law. His choice and he needs to live with it... Oh right, well he needs to rot with it then.

Aye. The same is true of that Illegal Brazilian electrician Menendes, that lots of hearts were bleeding about recently, right?

HE WASN'T HERE ILLEGALLY YOU CLOWN

One of the bleeding hearts has arrived Calm down Mary - you'll do yourself a mischief!
So did he have a current working visa then?

But again looking at it objectively - which of the two deserved more to be removed from the gene pool? 1. gainfully employed electrician (albeit without valid visa) 2. some dolelite thieving scum? My vote goes to the one without the multimeter and pliers.

Neither deserved to be removed from the genepool, but I agree at least the former might eventually have paid some taxes once Boris had gotten his amnesty (bad idea btw - they did that in Holland already) and so deserved it less.

[Funk Odyssey]

FarleyRusk said:

fido said:

FarleyRusk said:

Bing o said:

FarleyRusk said:

randomman said:

Gone too soon? Sounds to me he went one break in too late!

Simple Fact - He would be alive if he hadn't have CHOSEN to break the law. His choice and he needs to live with it... Oh right, well he needs to rot with it then.

Aye. The same is true of that Illegal Brazilian electrician Menendes, that lots of hearts were bleeding about recently, right?

HE WASN'T HERE ILLEGALLY YOU CLOWN

One of the bleeding hearts has arrived Calm down Mary - you'll do yourself a mischief!
So did he have a current working visa then?

But again looking at it objectively - which of the two deserved more to be removed from the gene pool? 1. gainfully employed electrician (albeit without valid visa) 2. some dolelite thieving scum? My vote goes to the one without the multimeter and pliers.

Neither deserved to be removed from the genepool, but I agree at least the former might eventually have paid some taxes once Boris had gotten his amnesty (bad idea btw - they did that in Holland already) and so deserved it less.

he didn't "deserve" it at all

[Utterly Clueless]

This
Chris wrote at 10:25pm yesterday
I miss you so much man, remember when me and you would go down by the lake and you would kiss my supple cock, telling me I was the one. When your Dad caught us, I just wished he could of given us a few more seconds. I was always so close, so close to supreme creme.
was posted on this tribute - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=56980738788

It leaps over a few booundaries and I'm undecided as to whether its going too far to be funny, although i did let out one of those 'as if someone said that' laughs......Yep, I'm going to hell!

[Funk Odyssey]

Utterly Clueless said:

This
Chris wrote at 10:25pm yesterday
I miss you so much man, remember when me and you would go down by the lake and you would kiss my supple cock, telling me I was the one. When your Dad caught us, I just wished he could of given us a few more seconds. I was always so close, so close to supreme creme.
was posted on this tribute - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=56980738788

It leaps over a few booundaries and I'm undecided as to whether its going too far to be funny, although i did let out one of those 'as if someone said that' laughs......Yep, I'm going to hell!

too far..... and fckin childish

[Mon Ami Mate]

I have said it before and I will say it again. If I ever catch an uninvited guest in my house one of us will, at the very least, be leaving in an ambulance. I hope that common sense prevails and that the two arrested don't become the new Tony Martins...

[Cara Van Man]

Mon Ami Mate said:

I have said it before and I will say it again. If I ever catch an uninvited guest in my house one of us will, at the very least, be leaving in an ambulance.

Is your wifes cooking that bad?

[Zod]

FarleyRusk said:

Bing o said:

FarleyRusk said:

randomman said:

Gone too soon? Sounds to me he went one break in too late!

Simple Fact - He would be alive if he hadn't have CHOSEN to break the law. His choice and he needs to live with it... Oh right, well he needs to rot with it then.

Aye. The same is true of that Illegal Brazilian electrician Menendes, that lots of hearts were bleeding about recently, right?

HE WASN'T HERE ILLEGALLY YOU CLOWN

One of the bleeding hearts has arrived Calm down Mary - you'll do yourself a mischief!
So did he have a current working visa then?

So you equate a man whom you wrongly believe to have had visa issues shot several times in the head with a burglar stabbed by a householder in the heat of the moment?

I've just read further and noticed that you think JCdeM "deserved it".

Are you perchance a BNP voter?

Edited by Zod on Monday 16th March 12:27