Will Brown give Argentina the Falklands?
Poll: Will Brown give Argentina the Falklands?
Total Members Polled: 527
Discussion
Alfa_75_Steve said:
We still have 2 operational carriers, and Invincible has been mothballed in such a way she could be re-activated if we needed her.
Long range bombing was largely ineffective last time round, so the loss of the Vulcans isn't even an issue.
Ground forces could be an issue - but there again, we'd need less of them these days as the technology gap between us and the Argies has grown to a great extent over the last 25 years - cruise missiles could easily take care of the kind of mission planned for the Vulcans last time.
The airport is now upgraded to a standard needed to operate fast jets - which would give us a considerable advantage over last time, as once we had control of that, we could fly anything we wanted from there.
However, I don't think they'd even try it again - we now have fast jets permanently stationed on the islands - not many, granted, but enough to see off any sea-based attack before it happened - especially as their rather ancient 'fleet' of aircraft are operating right at the outer edge of their capabilities just to reach the islands - leaving them very little chance of hanging around for a proper fight.
In fact, looking at their aerial resources, they'd be buggered before it all kicked off.
Their main attack aircraft is still the Pucara, which was proven to be pretty damned useless against Sea Harriers last time out, their Daggers / Fingers are all mothballed, and only 10 Skyhawks are operational. Given that the Israelis and the Americans wouldn't be providing spares to them for these ancient aircraft, the chances of them risking them to fight us is exceptionally minimal, I'd have thought.
They do, however, have a whole 3 submarines these days......
They've also got 7 Mig 29s. It'll be interesting to see how the harrier does against them.Long range bombing was largely ineffective last time round, so the loss of the Vulcans isn't even an issue.
Ground forces could be an issue - but there again, we'd need less of them these days as the technology gap between us and the Argies has grown to a great extent over the last 25 years - cruise missiles could easily take care of the kind of mission planned for the Vulcans last time.
The airport is now upgraded to a standard needed to operate fast jets - which would give us a considerable advantage over last time, as once we had control of that, we could fly anything we wanted from there.
However, I don't think they'd even try it again - we now have fast jets permanently stationed on the islands - not many, granted, but enough to see off any sea-based attack before it happened - especially as their rather ancient 'fleet' of aircraft are operating right at the outer edge of their capabilities just to reach the islands - leaving them very little chance of hanging around for a proper fight.
In fact, looking at their aerial resources, they'd be buggered before it all kicked off.
Their main attack aircraft is still the Pucara, which was proven to be pretty damned useless against Sea Harriers last time out, their Daggers / Fingers are all mothballed, and only 10 Skyhawks are operational. Given that the Israelis and the Americans wouldn't be providing spares to them for these ancient aircraft, the chances of them risking them to fight us is exceptionally minimal, I'd have thought.
They do, however, have a whole 3 submarines these days......
The question is Winky desperate enough to want to stay in power ?
I am not sure if he has the guile to do it but winning the Falklands back was enough to keep the Tories in ,so a few quiet words behind the scenes saying how we wouldn't be bothered to do anything if they invaded again and hay presto Falklands invasion II,WMFN gets a war we can win and a ticket back into office for another 4 yrs
I am not sure if he has the guile to do it but winning the Falklands back was enough to keep the Tories in ,so a few quiet words behind the scenes saying how we wouldn't be bothered to do anything if they invaded again and hay presto Falklands invasion II,WMFN gets a war we can win and a ticket back into office for another 4 yrs
s2art said:
james_tigerwoods said:
s2art said:
james_tigerwoods said:
s2art said:
How? Any build up and there will be subs lurking.
A "surprise" attack - would be in and there far quicker than we can react. The subs would have to be retasked and they wouldn't be able to do anything about an Argentinian rapid deployment force that was airlifted in. The subs would also have to be given effective ROE - which, I think, would need a declaration of war.Well, I think it'd be possible, but it would not be easy.
I'd like to think the US would get involved, but, let's be honest - they wouldn't. Would they?
And I am very sure we have sufficient intelligence, some from the USA, to detect any build-up.
I'm getting off my soapbox now - Goodnight Seattle...
s2art said:
james_tigerwoods said:
s2art said:
How? Any build up and there will be subs lurking.
A "surprise" attack - would be in and there far quicker than we can react. The subs would have to be retasked and they wouldn't be able to do anything about an Argentinian rapid deployment force that was airlifted in. The subs would also have to be given effective ROE - which, I think, would need a declaration of war.We also have 2 subs in the area, plus a Type 42 Destroyer and a River Class Patrol Vessel.
I don't think they'd be able to catch us out like they did 25 years back.
rhinochopig said:
Alfa_75_Steve said:
We still have 2 operational carriers, and Invincible has been mothballed in such a way she could be re-activated if we needed her.
Long range bombing was largely ineffective last time round, so the loss of the Vulcans isn't even an issue.
Ground forces could be an issue - but there again, we'd need less of them these days as the technology gap between us and the Argies has grown to a great extent over the last 25 years - cruise missiles could easily take care of the kind of mission planned for the Vulcans last time.
The airport is now upgraded to a standard needed to operate fast jets - which would give us a considerable advantage over last time, as once we had control of that, we could fly anything we wanted from there.
However, I don't think they'd even try it again - we now have fast jets permanently stationed on the islands - not many, granted, but enough to see off any sea-based attack before it happened - especially as their rather ancient 'fleet' of aircraft are operating right at the outer edge of their capabilities just to reach the islands - leaving them very little chance of hanging around for a proper fight.
In fact, looking at their aerial resources, they'd be buggered before it all kicked off.
Their main attack aircraft is still the Pucara, which was proven to be pretty damned useless against Sea Harriers last time out, their Daggers / Fingers are all mothballed, and only 10 Skyhawks are operational. Given that the Israelis and the Americans wouldn't be providing spares to them for these ancient aircraft, the chances of them risking them to fight us is exceptionally minimal, I'd have thought.
They do, however, have a whole 3 submarines these days......
They've also got 7 Mig 29s. It'll be interesting to see how the harrier does against them.Long range bombing was largely ineffective last time round, so the loss of the Vulcans isn't even an issue.
Ground forces could be an issue - but there again, we'd need less of them these days as the technology gap between us and the Argies has grown to a great extent over the last 25 years - cruise missiles could easily take care of the kind of mission planned for the Vulcans last time.
The airport is now upgraded to a standard needed to operate fast jets - which would give us a considerable advantage over last time, as once we had control of that, we could fly anything we wanted from there.
However, I don't think they'd even try it again - we now have fast jets permanently stationed on the islands - not many, granted, but enough to see off any sea-based attack before it happened - especially as their rather ancient 'fleet' of aircraft are operating right at the outer edge of their capabilities just to reach the islands - leaving them very little chance of hanging around for a proper fight.
In fact, looking at their aerial resources, they'd be buggered before it all kicked off.
Their main attack aircraft is still the Pucara, which was proven to be pretty damned useless against Sea Harriers last time out, their Daggers / Fingers are all mothballed, and only 10 Skyhawks are operational. Given that the Israelis and the Americans wouldn't be providing spares to them for these ancient aircraft, the chances of them risking them to fight us is exceptionally minimal, I'd have thought.
They do, however, have a whole 3 submarines these days......
james_tigerwoods said:
s2art said:
james_tigerwoods said:
s2art said:
How? Any build up and there will be subs lurking.
A "surprise" attack - would be in and there far quicker than we can react. The subs would have to be retasked and they wouldn't be able to do anything about an Argentinian rapid deployment force that was airlifted in. The subs would also have to be given effective ROE - which, I think, would need a declaration of war.Well, I think it'd be possible, but it would not be easy.
I'd like to think the US would get involved, but, let's be honest - they wouldn't. Would they?
After their first attempt I seriously don't think they would have a crack since all of the odds this time around are distinctly in our favor.
s2art said:
rhinochopig said:
Alfa_75_Steve said:
We still have 2 operational carriers, and Invincible has been mothballed in such a way she could be re-activated if we needed her.
Long range bombing was largely ineffective last time round, so the loss of the Vulcans isn't even an issue.
Ground forces could be an issue - but there again, we'd need less of them these days as the technology gap between us and the Argies has grown to a great extent over the last 25 years - cruise missiles could easily take care of the kind of mission planned for the Vulcans last time.
The airport is now upgraded to a standard needed to operate fast jets - which would give us a considerable advantage over last time, as once we had control of that, we could fly anything we wanted from there.
However, I don't think they'd even try it again - we now have fast jets permanently stationed on the islands - not many, granted, but enough to see off any sea-based attack before it happened - especially as their rather ancient 'fleet' of aircraft are operating right at the outer edge of their capabilities just to reach the islands - leaving them very little chance of hanging around for a proper fight.
In fact, looking at their aerial resources, they'd be buggered before it all kicked off.
Their main attack aircraft is still the Pucara, which was proven to be pretty damned useless against Sea Harriers last time out, their Daggers / Fingers are all mothballed, and only 10 Skyhawks are operational. Given that the Israelis and the Americans wouldn't be providing spares to them for these ancient aircraft, the chances of them risking them to fight us is exceptionally minimal, I'd have thought.
They do, however, have a whole 3 submarines these days......
They've also got 7 Mig 29s. It'll be interesting to see how the harrier does against them.Long range bombing was largely ineffective last time round, so the loss of the Vulcans isn't even an issue.
Ground forces could be an issue - but there again, we'd need less of them these days as the technology gap between us and the Argies has grown to a great extent over the last 25 years - cruise missiles could easily take care of the kind of mission planned for the Vulcans last time.
The airport is now upgraded to a standard needed to operate fast jets - which would give us a considerable advantage over last time, as once we had control of that, we could fly anything we wanted from there.
However, I don't think they'd even try it again - we now have fast jets permanently stationed on the islands - not many, granted, but enough to see off any sea-based attack before it happened - especially as their rather ancient 'fleet' of aircraft are operating right at the outer edge of their capabilities just to reach the islands - leaving them very little chance of hanging around for a proper fight.
In fact, looking at their aerial resources, they'd be buggered before it all kicked off.
Their main attack aircraft is still the Pucara, which was proven to be pretty damned useless against Sea Harriers last time out, their Daggers / Fingers are all mothballed, and only 10 Skyhawks are operational. Given that the Israelis and the Americans wouldn't be providing spares to them for these ancient aircraft, the chances of them risking them to fight us is exceptionally minimal, I'd have thought.
They do, however, have a whole 3 submarines these days......
k off, but bunging them a £10 note for their trouble.rhinochopig said:
Typhoons can't be carrier launched (at the moment), so how would they get there?
We already have 4 on the ground over there.If we did lose out to an invasion force, the main priority would be to get back hold of the air base, then we could ship aircraft over on container ships, as we did first time around.
Anyway, the GR9s on the Invincible class carriers are vastly more capable fighters and ground attack aircraft than the old Sea Harriers were - and we now have significantly better AEW cover from Sea Kings, and better 'goal keeper' capabilities, which negates some of the need for Sea Harrier capabilities.
rhinochopig said:
s2art said:
rhinochopig said:
Alfa_75_Steve said:
We still have 2 operational carriers, and Invincible has been mothballed in such a way she could be re-activated if we needed her.
Long range bombing was largely ineffective last time round, so the loss of the Vulcans isn't even an issue.
Ground forces could be an issue - but there again, we'd need less of them these days as the technology gap between us and the Argies has grown to a great extent over the last 25 years - cruise missiles could easily take care of the kind of mission planned for the Vulcans last time.
The airport is now upgraded to a standard needed to operate fast jets - which would give us a considerable advantage over last time, as once we had control of that, we could fly anything we wanted from there.
However, I don't think they'd even try it again - we now have fast jets permanently stationed on the islands - not many, granted, but enough to see off any sea-based attack before it happened - especially as their rather ancient 'fleet' of aircraft are operating right at the outer edge of their capabilities just to reach the islands - leaving them very little chance of hanging around for a proper fight.
In fact, looking at their aerial resources, they'd be buggered before it all kicked off.
Their main attack aircraft is still the Pucara, which was proven to be pretty damned useless against Sea Harriers last time out, their Daggers / Fingers are all mothballed, and only 10 Skyhawks are operational. Given that the Israelis and the Americans wouldn't be providing spares to them for these ancient aircraft, the chances of them risking them to fight us is exceptionally minimal, I'd have thought.
They do, however, have a whole 3 submarines these days......
They've also got 7 Mig 29s. It'll be interesting to see how the harrier does against them.Long range bombing was largely ineffective last time round, so the loss of the Vulcans isn't even an issue.
Ground forces could be an issue - but there again, we'd need less of them these days as the technology gap between us and the Argies has grown to a great extent over the last 25 years - cruise missiles could easily take care of the kind of mission planned for the Vulcans last time.
The airport is now upgraded to a standard needed to operate fast jets - which would give us a considerable advantage over last time, as once we had control of that, we could fly anything we wanted from there.
However, I don't think they'd even try it again - we now have fast jets permanently stationed on the islands - not many, granted, but enough to see off any sea-based attack before it happened - especially as their rather ancient 'fleet' of aircraft are operating right at the outer edge of their capabilities just to reach the islands - leaving them very little chance of hanging around for a proper fight.
In fact, looking at their aerial resources, they'd be buggered before it all kicked off.
Their main attack aircraft is still the Pucara, which was proven to be pretty damned useless against Sea Harriers last time out, their Daggers / Fingers are all mothballed, and only 10 Skyhawks are operational. Given that the Israelis and the Americans wouldn't be providing spares to them for these ancient aircraft, the chances of them risking them to fight us is exceptionally minimal, I'd have thought.
They do, however, have a whole 3 submarines these days......
james_tigerwoods said:
s2art said:
How? Any build up and there will be subs lurking.
A "surprise" attack - would be in and there far quicker than we can react. The subs would have to be retasked and they wouldn't be able to do anything about an Argentinian rapid deployment force that was airlifted in. The subs would also have to be given effective ROE - which, I think, would need a declaration of war.Oh and it's not really big news anyway the Argies have never relented on their claim and for the last 20 odd years their special forces have frequently been popping over to have a look, at one point it was almost joked about that they treated the islands as a training area! Oh and as for the declaration of war and the ROE stuff earlier that's just complete b0ll0x, every serviceman on the islands is very aware of their ROE in standing orders, and at any time if you deploy out of MPA or Stanley (not just zipping between the two) you do so with weapons and ammunition.
Actually maybe I ought to change that to "we might have a submarine there all time" you see that's the beauty of them, once they leave the UK no one apart from a very select few know where the fook they are including all of Argentina, and do remember they're Navy are still very much once bitten twice shy when it comes to our sub surface capability!
mel said:
Actually maybe I ought to change that to "we might have a submarine there all time" you see that's the beauty of them, once they leave the UK no one apart from a very select few know where the fook they are including all of Argentina, and do remember they're Navy are still very much once bitten twice shy when it comes to our sub surface capability!
I am pretty sure that if there looked to be anything brewing then more than one sub would be lurking there.The US and the Argies are pretty tied together these days, no?
I was under the impression that this was the case; therefore, it follows that any military action by Malvinas-huners would have to be approved by the big O in Washington.....
There must be some smaller, S.American country that nobody cares about that they can have a pop at if they need a war I would have thought.
I was under the impression that this was the case; therefore, it follows that any military action by Malvinas-huners would have to be approved by the big O in Washington.....
There must be some smaller, S.American country that nobody cares about that they can have a pop at if they need a war I would have thought.
JonRB said:
We wouldn't have a chance in hell of mounting a task force like we had in 1982. And even back then it was a bit dodgy with an Aircraft Carrier nicked from under the noses of the decommissioning crew and some long-range bombers that were earmarked for the junk heap (I do miss the Vulcan)
We still have one Vulcan flying (just).Edited by JonRB on Wednesday 25th March 17:38
Might be a bit tight though based upon the Black Buck Mission and the book about it.
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