60 years of communist china
Discussion
yli said:
bobbylondonuk said:
JagLover said:
bobbylondonuk said:
70million people of the western world in a small little island cannot use democracy to sort themselves out and maintain a good standard of living based on good moral ethical values.
what would happen to 1billion of who majority are in poverty if they were given absolute freedom? Atleast the commis of china move with the times in terms of modernisation, western trade ideas, education etc...corruption is a part of life in any country so no big deal if you see it in china.
India has a thriving democracy.what would happen to 1billion of who majority are in poverty if they were given absolute freedom? Atleast the commis of china move with the times in terms of modernisation, western trade ideas, education etc...corruption is a part of life in any country so no big deal if you see it in china.
A dictatorship is not a prequisite of a thriving economy and social stability.
China was held back for years by the Communists. It was only when they ditched their economic dogmas that China started to grow.
China is way behind in development of an individual compared to india...maybe china will be ready to embrace multi party democracy in the next 10-15yrs. I dont think the majority of the population of china will understand the benefits of it now and corruption will only increase as compared to the current commi set up. All i am saying is better a known devil than an unknown one!
And how could you know that the corruption will increase if China adopts a democratic system?
Frankeh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Frankeh said:
China = worlds new superpower.
So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Yet another stupid statement. You are consistent, I will give you that.So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Jimbeaux said:
Frankeh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Frankeh said:
China = worlds new superpower.
So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Yet another stupid statement. You are consistent, I will give you that.So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Edited by Frankeh on Friday 2nd October 12:57
bobbylondonuk said:
yli said:
bobbylondonuk said:
JagLover said:
bobbylondonuk said:
70million people of the western world in a small little island cannot use democracy to sort themselves out and maintain a good standard of living based on good moral ethical values.
what would happen to 1billion of who majority are in poverty if they were given absolute freedom? Atleast the commis of china move with the times in terms of modernisation, western trade ideas, education etc...corruption is a part of life in any country so no big deal if you see it in china.
India has a thriving democracy.what would happen to 1billion of who majority are in poverty if they were given absolute freedom? Atleast the commis of china move with the times in terms of modernisation, western trade ideas, education etc...corruption is a part of life in any country so no big deal if you see it in china.
A dictatorship is not a prequisite of a thriving economy and social stability.
China was held back for years by the Communists. It was only when they ditched their economic dogmas that China started to grow.
China is way behind in development of an individual compared to india...maybe china will be ready to embrace multi party democracy in the next 10-15yrs. I dont think the majority of the population of china will understand the benefits of it now and corruption will only increase as compared to the current commi set up. All i am saying is better a known devil than an unknown one!
And how could you know that the corruption will increase if China adopts a democratic system?
Back to my question I think you really need to look into the situation before and after the democratic system was introduced in India, not a party goes and another party comes under a society where the democratic system was already in place.
I would like to go even further to suggest that not all the democratic nations are doing well in terms of anti-corruption but an undisputable fact is that all the nations without a democratic system are absolutely and utterly corrupted. Democracy alone does not guarantee a clean society. Other mechanics, like the freedom of speech, proper legislations, etc, working together with democracy, is the best way huamn kind can find so far.
Frankeh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Frankeh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Frankeh said:
China = worlds new superpower.
So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Yet another stupid statement. You are consistent, I will give you that.So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Edited by Frankeh on Friday 2nd October 12:57
After the Tian'an Men square crackdown in 1989, the political reforms has been stalled or even reversed in some cases.
To give you some examples: a very popular online forum YTHT.NET with the majority of its participants being university students was forced to shut down in 2004. Another slimilar online forum clearly states that this is not the place to discuss politics although the participants still do. Any sensitive stuff on the internet is to be deleted very quickly. The access to youtube is shut down. Every internet cafe and popular online forum has to install a monitoring software. A while ago the government tries to push the computer vendors to install a monitoring software on every computer they sell in the name of anti-unhealth stuff to protect children. The communist party actually tightened its iron wrist on the freedom of speech during the past 20 years.
yli said:
Frankeh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Frankeh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Frankeh said:
China = worlds new superpower.
So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Yet another stupid statement. You are consistent, I will give you that.So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Edited by Frankeh on Friday 2nd October 12:57
After the Tian'an Men square crackdown in 1989, the political reforms has been stalled or even reversed in some cases.
To give you some examples: a very popular online forum YTHT.NET with the majority of its participants being university students was forced to shut down in 2004. Another slimilar online forum clearly states that this is not the place to discuss politics although the participants still do. Any sensitive stuff on the internet is to be deleted very quickly. The access to youtube is shut down. Every internet cafe and popular online forum has to install a monitoring software. A while ago the government tries to push the computer vendors to install a monitoring software on every computer they sell in the name of anti-unhealth stuff to protect children. The communist party actually tightened its iron wrist on the freedom of speech during the past 20 years.
If the communist party want to stay in power they will have to adapt at some point, and adapt they will.
They're too big now to just fall like so many other communist countries. Although could have said the same about russia I guess.
Time will tell.
Frankeh said:
yli said:
Frankeh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Frankeh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Frankeh said:
China = worlds new superpower.
So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Yet another stupid statement. You are consistent, I will give you that.So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Edited by Frankeh on Friday 2nd October 12:57
After the Tian'an Men square crackdown in 1989, the political reforms has been stalled or even reversed in some cases.
To give you some examples: a very popular online forum YTHT.NET with the majority of its participants being university students was forced to shut down in 2004. Another slimilar online forum clearly states that this is not the place to discuss politics although the participants still do. Any sensitive stuff on the internet is to be deleted very quickly. The access to youtube is shut down. Every internet cafe and popular online forum has to install a monitoring software. A while ago the government tries to push the computer vendors to install a monitoring software on every computer they sell in the name of anti-unhealth stuff to protect children. The communist party actually tightened its iron wrist on the freedom of speech during the past 20 years.
If the communist party want to stay in power they will have to adapt at some point, and adapt they will.
They're too big now to just fall like so many other communist countries. Although could have said the same about russia I guess.
Time will tell.
yli said:
Let's wait and see. I really do not want to be a man who never gets chance to vote in his entire life. It would be great fun if I could embrass any Chinese politician like the British has done to Mr. Blair!
This will be the Mr Blair, the war criminal, who is soon to become an unelected President of Europe?This is allowed because of a man who has been elected by 30,000 people, who has surrounded himself with an unelected cabinet, has decided that he knows best, and has signed us up to the Lisbon Treaty without any kind of vote.
Oh how we look down at the Chinese, unaware of what we are walking into.
I go to India and China a lot.
My penny's worth: People in china seem, in the main, very happy. When you walk down the street there are lots of smiles and a general feeling of 'security'. India, on the other hand, is a giant rubbish tip. As such, as a punter, I'd rather live under autocracy on China than democracy in India. Also China is changing - it now wants links with the West. Also, there are real opportunities for entrepreneurs in China - Tax is low (a fraction what we pay in The UK) and the authorities encourage innovation. Was in Beijing recently and was astonished at the amount of luxury cars.
My penny's worth: People in china seem, in the main, very happy. When you walk down the street there are lots of smiles and a general feeling of 'security'. India, on the other hand, is a giant rubbish tip. As such, as a punter, I'd rather live under autocracy on China than democracy in India. Also China is changing - it now wants links with the West. Also, there are real opportunities for entrepreneurs in China - Tax is low (a fraction what we pay in The UK) and the authorities encourage innovation. Was in Beijing recently and was astonished at the amount of luxury cars.
srebbe64 said:
I go to India and China a lot.
My penny's worth: People in china seem, in the main, very happy. When you walk down the street there are lots of smiles and a general feeling of 'security'. India, on the other hand, is a giant rubbish tip. As such, as a punter, I'd rather live under autocracy on China than democracy in India. Also China is changing - it now wants links with the West. Also, there are real opportunities for entrepreneurs in China - Tax is low (a fraction what we pay in The UK) and the authorities encourage innovation. Was in Beijing recently and was astonished at the amount of luxury cars.
my point exactly...better said! Thank you please!My penny's worth: People in china seem, in the main, very happy. When you walk down the street there are lots of smiles and a general feeling of 'security'. India, on the other hand, is a giant rubbish tip. As such, as a punter, I'd rather live under autocracy on China than democracy in India. Also China is changing - it now wants links with the West. Also, there are real opportunities for entrepreneurs in China - Tax is low (a fraction what we pay in The UK) and the authorities encourage innovation. Was in Beijing recently and was astonished at the amount of luxury cars.
Frankeh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Frankeh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Frankeh said:
China = worlds new superpower.
So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Yet another stupid statement. You are consistent, I will give you that.So it seems that communism kind of does work sometimes.
Edited by Frankeh on Friday 2nd October 12:57
excersizer said:
yli, I've somehow gotten the impression that Chinese people are nationalistic and very proud of their country. How true is this?
I know this has already been answered but as an aside I read a 100+ page report at JLR into the emerging car market in China.Turns out that the Chinese are actually turned off by domestically produced cars, JLR can charge a premium because they don't produce in China wereas BMW/VW etc have damaged their brand by setting up production in China.
Also Chinese made cars have a 'made in china' badge fitted which is nearly always removed.
Before anyone argues this is a tiny summary of a massive report, I can't be bothered to reproduce it all hear.
T89 Callan said:
excersizer said:
yli, I've somehow gotten the impression that Chinese people are nationalistic and very proud of their country. How true is this?
I know this has already been answered but as an aside I read a 100+ page report at JLR into the emerging car market in China.Turns out that the Chinese are actually turned off by domestically produced cars, JLR can charge a premium because they don't produce in China wereas BMW/VW etc have damaged their brand by setting up production in China.
Also Chinese made cars have a 'made in china' badge fitted which is nearly always removed.
Before anyone argues this is a tiny summary of a massive report, I can't be bothered to reproduce it all hear.
If China starts to allow Middle-class growth, and relax the chains it has on it's people, then shirley that will have a negative effect on Western economies.
If national demand increases, then supply to the rest of the world will reduce. Prices of products will go up, as the international companies will soon find themselves competing with Chinese companies for supply of products.
Chinese growth will cause a slow down in growth in the rest of teh world.
I think this will happen eventually, it's just a matter of time. China needs it's people to get wealthier. It needs to encourage a 'spending' economy, as the global recession will have affected China's export market due to a decrease in global demand.
If national demand increases, then supply to the rest of the world will reduce. Prices of products will go up, as the international companies will soon find themselves competing with Chinese companies for supply of products.
Chinese growth will cause a slow down in growth in the rest of teh world.
I think this will happen eventually, it's just a matter of time. China needs it's people to get wealthier. It needs to encourage a 'spending' economy, as the global recession will have affected China's export market due to a decrease in global demand.
T89 Callan said:
excersizer said:
yli, I've somehow gotten the impression that Chinese people are nationalistic and very proud of their country. How true is this?
I know this has already been answered but as an aside I read a 100+ page report at JLR into the emerging car market in China.Turns out that the Chinese are actually turned off by domestically produced cars, JLR can charge a premium because they don't produce in China wereas BMW/VW etc have damaged their brand by setting up production in China.
Also Chinese made cars have a 'made in china' badge fitted which is nearly always removed.
Before anyone argues this is a tiny summary of a massive report, I can't be bothered to reproduce it all hear.
Jimbeaux said:
T89 Callan said:
excersizer said:
yli, I've somehow gotten the impression that Chinese people are nationalistic and very proud of their country. How true is this?
I know this has already been answered but as an aside I read a 100+ page report at JLR into the emerging car market in China.Turns out that the Chinese are actually turned off by domestically produced cars, JLR can charge a premium because they don't produce in China wereas BMW/VW etc have damaged their brand by setting up production in China.
Also Chinese made cars have a 'made in china' badge fitted which is nearly always removed.
Before anyone argues this is a tiny summary of a massive report, I can't be bothered to reproduce it all hear.
yli said:
Jimbeaux said:
T89 Callan said:
excersizer said:
yli, I've somehow gotten the impression that Chinese people are nationalistic and very proud of their country. How true is this?
I know this has already been answered but as an aside I read a 100+ page report at JLR into the emerging car market in China.Turns out that the Chinese are actually turned off by domestically produced cars, JLR can charge a premium because they don't produce in China wereas BMW/VW etc have damaged their brand by setting up production in China.
Also Chinese made cars have a 'made in china' badge fitted which is nearly always removed.
Before anyone argues this is a tiny summary of a massive report, I can't be bothered to reproduce it all hear.
s2art said:
yli said:
Jimbeaux said:
T89 Callan said:
excersizer said:
yli, I've somehow gotten the impression that Chinese people are nationalistic and very proud of their country. How true is this?
I know this has already been answered but as an aside I read a 100+ page report at JLR into the emerging car market in China.Turns out that the Chinese are actually turned off by domestically produced cars, JLR can charge a premium because they don't produce in China wereas BMW/VW etc have damaged their brand by setting up production in China.
Also Chinese made cars have a 'made in china' badge fitted which is nearly always removed.
Before anyone argues this is a tiny summary of a massive report, I can't be bothered to reproduce it all hear.
(no offense intended)
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