Symbolic Burning
Discussion
Shaid GTB said:
Is it not acceptable that one can live in the country, contribute, abide by the laws and repsect those that are present (basically keep your head down and fit in!) without being all patriotic and having feeling British?
Shaid - I'm assuming you can not trace your lineage back hundreds of years in this country. Living in this country, being brought up in this country, and abiding by all the laws, and behaving just like any other 'British' citizen is perfectly acceptable, in fact it's spot on, nothing at all wrong with that. On one level you are just as 'British' as the rest of us.But for those of us who can trace our lineage back hundreds of years - mine goes back to the Vikings by the way - we do feel a sense of pride and patriotism in our country, and the great majority of us would be willing to lay down our lives for our country if, for example, we were invaded by a foreign force. In exactly the same way that Iraqi's who hated Saddam, took up arms to defend their country against the Invaders - the UK and the US, I don't blame them, I would have done the same if I was an Iraqi.
So the 'British' like me, do take offence when a Bunch of Muslim Radicals decide to be deliberately offensive, in public, on an occasion that should be treated with respect. If they had done it in Private, and video'd it, then posted it on YouTube, then 99.9% of British people would just laugh it off and ignore it, because that's our culture. But I very, very, much doubt that the authorities would have arrested them for it. However when a white English school girl burns a book, the authorities jump in and arrest her. That is what the problem is, we all seem to be tippy toeing, and bending over backwards to take action against anyone who is remotely anti-Muslim, but any anti-British sentiment by Muslims is tolerated. And it is that which creates friction and resentment.
JensenA said:
Shaid GTB said:
Is it not acceptable that one can live in the country, contribute, abide by the laws and repsect those that are present (basically keep your head down and fit in!) without being all patriotic and having feeling British?
Shaid - I'm assuming you can not trace your lineage back hundreds of years in this country. Living in this country, being brought up in this country, and abiding by all the laws, and behaving just like any other 'British' citizen is perfectly acceptable, in fact it's spot on, nothing at all wrong with that. On one level you are just as 'British' as the rest of us.But for those of us who can trace our lineage back hundreds of years - mine goes back to the Vikings by the way - we do feel a sense of pride and patriotism in our country, and the great majority of us would be willing to lay down our lives for our country if, for example, we were invaded by a foreign force. In exactly the same way that Iraqi's who hated Saddam, took up arms to defend their country against the Invaders - the UK and the US, I don't blame them, I would have done the same if I was an Iraqi.
So the 'British' like me, do take offence when a Bunch of Muslim Radicals decide to be deliberately offensive, in public, on an occasion that should be treated with respect. If they had done it in Private, and video'd it, then posted it on YouTube, then 99.9% of British people would just laugh it off and ignore it, because that's our culture. But I very, very, much doubt that the authorities would have arrested them for it. However when a white English school girl burns a book, the authorities jump in and arrest her. That is what the problem is, we all seem to be tippy toeing, and bending over backwards to take action against anyone who is remotely anti-Muslim, but any anti-British sentiment by Muslims is tolerated. And it is that which creates friction and resentment.
JensenA said:
Shaid GTB said:
Is it not acceptable that one can live in the country, contribute, abide by the laws and repsect those that are present (basically keep your head down and fit in!) without being all patriotic and having feeling British?
Shaid - I'm assuming you can not trace your lineage back hundreds of years in this country. Living in this country, being brought up in this country, and abiding by all the laws, and behaving just like any other 'British' citizen is perfectly acceptable, in fact it's spot on, nothing at all wrong with that. On one level you are just as 'British' as the rest of us.But for those of us who can trace our lineage back hundreds of years - mine goes back to the Vikings by the way - we do feel a sense of pride and patriotism in our country, and the great majority of us would be willing to lay down our lives for our country if, for example, we were invaded by a foreign force. In exactly the same way that Iraqi's who hated Saddam, took up arms to defend their country against the Invaders - the UK and the US, I don't blame them, I would have done the same if I was an Iraqi.
So the 'British' like me, do take offence when a Bunch of Muslim Radicals decide to be deliberately offensive, in public, on an occasion that should be treated with respect. If they had done it in Private, and video'd it, then posted it on YouTube, then 99.9% of British people would just laugh it off and ignore it, because that's our culture. But I very, very, much doubt that the authorities would have arrested them for it. However when a white English school girl burns a book, the authorities jump in and arrest her. That is what the problem is, we all seem to be tippy toeing, and bending over backwards to take action against anyone who is remotely anti-Muslim, but any anti-British sentiment by Muslims is tolerated. And it is that which creates friction and resentment.
I do agree that arresting the girl was out of order especially as the mad mullah idiots got away with it.
I also find the fact you can trace your history back to the vickings amazing.
BliarOut said:
Well apart from the 'being fact' bit. And the fact that thousands of brave men died going "over the top". How can you understand what being British is if it's not being taught in schools?
It's a sad indictment of modern education if you can be bought up in this country yet actually know jack s
t about it.
It's not a sad indictment, it's part of the lefty plan of dissolving national identities across europe with dumbing down, not teaching certain stuff, general attacks on the monarchy and an immigration system designed to make the white english race a hounded minority.It's a sad indictment of modern education if you can be bought up in this country yet actually know jack s
t about it.As demonstrated in the markets, the last thing the EU wants is any national identity or independent thought.
It is sad though.
Edited by Globs on Friday 26th November 19:18
Globs said:
BliarOut said:
Well apart from the 'being fact' bit. And the fact that thousands of brave men died going "over the top". How can you understand what being British is if it's not being taught in schools?
It's a sad indictment of modern education if you can be bought up in this country yet actually know jack st about it.
It's not a sad indictment, it's part of the lefty plan of dissolving national identities across europe with dumbing down, not teaching certain stuff, general attacks on the monarchy and an immigration system designed to make the white english race a hounded minority.It's a sad indictment of modern education if you can be bought up in this country yet actually know jack s
t about it.As demonstrated in the markets, the last thing the EU wants is any national identity or independent thought.
It is sad though.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 26th November 19:18
) mentioned the English flag can be burnt and nobody bats an eyelid. This is truly sad 
JensenA said:
Shaid GTB said:
Is it not acceptable that one can live in the country, contribute, abide by the laws and repsect those that are present (basically keep your head down and fit in!) without being all patriotic and having feeling British?
Shaid - I'm assuming you can not trace your lineage back hundreds of years in this country. Living in this country, being brought up in this country, and abiding by all the laws, and behaving just like any other 'British' citizen is perfectly acceptable, in fact it's spot on, nothing at all wrong with that. On one level you are just as 'British' as the rest of us.But for those of us who can trace our lineage back hundreds of years - mine goes back to the Vikings by the way - we do feel a sense of pride and patriotism in our country, and the great majority of us would be willing to lay down our lives for our country if, for example, we were invaded by a foreign force. In exactly the same way that Iraqi's who hated Saddam, took up arms to defend their country against the Invaders - the UK and the US, I don't blame them, I would have done the same if I was an Iraqi.
So the 'British' like me, do take offence when a Bunch of Muslim Radicals decide to be deliberately offensive, in public, on an occasion that should be treated with respect. If they had done it in Private, and video'd it, then posted it on YouTube, then 99.9% of British people would just laugh it off and ignore it, because that's our culture. But I very, very, much doubt that the authorities would have arrested them for it. However when a white English school girl burns a book, the authorities jump in and arrest her. That is what the problem is, we all seem to be tippy toeing, and bending over backwards to take action against anyone who is remotely anti-Muslim, but any anti-British sentiment by Muslims is tolerated. And it is that which creates friction and resentment.
As I said, I disagree with both actions but I support both sides being able to do it.
That is what people fought and died to protect.
M-J-B said:
JensenA said:
Shaid GTB said:
Is it not acceptable that one can live in the country, contribute, abide by the laws and repsect those that are present (basically keep your head down and fit in!) without being all patriotic and having feeling British?
Shaid - I'm assuming you can not trace your lineage back hundreds of years in this country. Living in this country, being brought up in this country, and abiding by all the laws, and behaving just like any other 'British' citizen is perfectly acceptable, in fact it's spot on, nothing at all wrong with that. On one level you are just as 'British' as the rest of us.But for those of us who can trace our lineage back hundreds of years - mine goes back to the Vikings by the way - we do feel a sense of pride and patriotism in our country, and the great majority of us would be willing to lay down our lives for our country if, for example, we were invaded by a foreign force. In exactly the same way that Iraqi's who hated Saddam, took up arms to defend their country against the Invaders - the UK and the US, I don't blame them, I would have done the same if I was an Iraqi.
So the 'British' like me, do take offence when a Bunch of Muslim Radicals decide to be deliberately offensive, in public, on an occasion that should be treated with respect. If they had done it in Private, and video'd it, then posted it on YouTube, then 99.9% of British people would just laugh it off and ignore it, because that's our culture. But I very, very, much doubt that the authorities would have arrested them for it. However when a white English school girl burns a book, the authorities jump in and arrest her. That is what the problem is, we all seem to be tippy toeing, and bending over backwards to take action against anyone who is remotely anti-Muslim, but any anti-British sentiment by Muslims is tolerated. And it is that which creates friction and resentment.
odyssey2200 said:
M-J-B said:
JensenA said:
Shaid GTB said:
Is it not acceptable that one can live in the country, contribute, abide by the laws and repsect those that are present (basically keep your head down and fit in!) without being all patriotic and having feeling British?
That is what the problem is, we all seem to be tippy toeing, and bending over backwards to take action against anyone who is remotely anti-Muslim, but any anti-British sentiment by Muslims is tolerated. And it is that which creates friction and resentment.There is a huge racist movement driven by our own government to marginalise and attack the indigenous white english race and I for one am sick of it. If we treated other races this way there would be a PC uproar. PC (Politically Correct) seems to be the favourite stick to beat the (soon to be a minority) english race with: no one should be treated like this.
Globs said:
odyssey2200 said:
M-J-B said:
JensenA said:
Shaid GTB said:
Is it not acceptable that one can live in the country, contribute, abide by the laws and repsect those that are present (basically keep your head down and fit in!) without being all patriotic and having feeling British?
That is what the problem is, we all seem to be tippy toeing, and bending over backwards to take action against anyone who is remotely anti-Muslim, but any anti-British sentiment by Muslims is tolerated. And it is that which creates friction and resentment.There is a huge racist movement driven by our own government to marginalise and attack the indigenous white english race and I for one am sick of it. If we treated other races this way there would be a PC uproar. PC (Politically Correct) seems to be the favourite stick to beat the (soon to be a minority) english race with: no one should be treated like this.
Shaid GTB said:
Globs said:
odyssey2200 said:
M-J-B said:
JensenA said:
Shaid GTB said:
Is it not acceptable that one can live in the country, contribute, abide by the laws and repsect those that are present (basically keep your head down and fit in!) without being all patriotic and having feeling British?
That is what the problem is, we all seem to be tippy toeing, and bending over backwards to take action against anyone who is remotely anti-Muslim, but any anti-British sentiment by Muslims is tolerated. And it is that which creates friction and resentment.There is a huge racist movement driven by our own government to marginalise and attack the indigenous white english race and I for one am sick of it. If we treated other races this way there would be a PC uproar. PC (Politically Correct) seems to be the favourite stick to beat the (soon to be a minority) english race with: no one should be treated like this.
I thought you were British. Unless you wish to differentiate by race, creed, religion or colour, thus creating a divide which is what is being referred to.
Or am I missing something here.....
M-J-B said:
Shaid GTB said:
Globs said:
odyssey2200 said:
M-J-B said:
JensenA said:
Shaid GTB said:
Is it not acceptable that one can live in the country, contribute, abide by the laws and repsect those that are present (basically keep your head down and fit in!) without being all patriotic and having feeling British?
That is what the problem is, we all seem to be tippy toeing, and bending over backwards to take action against anyone who is remotely anti-Muslim, but any anti-British sentiment by Muslims is tolerated. And it is that which creates friction and resentment.There is a huge racist movement driven by our own government to marginalise and attack the indigenous white english race and I for one am sick of it. If we treated other races this way there would be a PC uproar. PC (Politically Correct) seems to be the favourite stick to beat the (soon to be a minority) english race with: no one should be treated like this.
I thought you were British. Unless you wish to differentiate by race, creed, religion or colour, thus creating a divide which is what is being referred to.
Or am I missing something here.....
I think you spotted that too!
Shaid GTB said:
odyssey2200 said:
Shaid GTB said:
So the problem is your government then not us
And there-in lies the problemI thought the plan was that immigrants were supposed to integrate, therefore creating only an us
obviously you see it differently.
Someone said:
There is a huge racist movement driven by our own government to marginalise and attack the indigenous white english race and I for one am sick of it.
Me said:
So the problem is your government then not us
You said said:
Why are you 'us'?
I thought you were British. Unless you wish to differentiate by race, creed, religion or colour, thus creating a divide which is what is being referred to.
Or am I missing something here.....
I'm not white I thought you were British. Unless you wish to differentiate by race, creed, religion or colour, thus creating a divide which is what is being referred to.
Or am I missing something here.....
Edit : But i am British and Muslim and damn proud too
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 28th November 21:35
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