Jeremy Clarkson suspended by BBC...
Discussion
PRTVR said:
I would question the reasons that the BBC wanted to keep him, could it be that they had just paid a massive amount of money for top gear and did not want to have it all go down the plug hole ? Or did they enjoy his outspoken comments, I think we all know the answer to that one, for me the PC crap is getting worse, it is almost as if people are thinking of things to get offended over,then adding it to a very long list, JC was one of the few people who didn't conform and for that he will always have my respect.
Although I have no way of knowing whether I'm right or not, I have no doubt that the prime mover in the 'allowances' with regards Clarkson's behaviour was finance. The TG franchise was a fantastic source of income for the BBC.I have no idea of how the production of TG was managed and whether the BBC had much day to day input. If they did have significant control of management then they failed by allowing the situation to develop that far. However, when you consider the publicity that came with the Argentina episode, and the viewing figures, there must have been a great deal of pressure to allow the chap his head.
I also have no doubt that Clarkson's racist comments were not enjoyed by the BBC. It left them wide open to criticisms and at a time when Murdoch was pushing to limit, if not eradicate, the corporation. Not that there has ever been a time when he hasn't been I suppose.
I don't think the PC movement is of the BBC's manufacture. Indeed, they are well known for taking more risks in what they will broadcast than any other terrestrial channel, and mainstream satellite as well. The lack of control has meant that those who become professionally upset at everything attack the BBC most of all because, let's face it, they do most of the unPC stuff, or did until the government imposed restrictions and made threats.
don4l said:
Good to hear this. I'd be disappointed if it was all just an act.
Looking forward to seeing the three of them on ITV.
If top gear reappeares with CLarkson /Hammond / May it will be on netflix or nothing , no commercial broadcaster would be willing to take the risk of their honest reporting or another 'Vectra Moment' etc - notice how there's no 'consumer' programming on the commercial networks that takes on anything bigger than one man band cowboy builders ... vs the BBC in broadcasting / Which? on paper / various websites e.g. MSE or CAG ) Looking forward to seeing the three of them on ITV.
meanwhile the BBC has happily and willingly killed 2 cars sales stone dead one in editorial content - the Clarkson Vectra moment and the other being Steve Coogan Killing the fird Probe thanks to Gareth 'i'm a tiger ' Cheeseman ...
Derek Smith said:
Indeed, they are well known for taking more risks in what they will broadcast than any other terrestrial channel, and mainstream satellite as well.
Can you elaborate, it's just... I don't think I've ever noticed the BBC take a risk with anything (other than continuing to use Clarkson which clearly had its limits) where just last night I was half expecting Channel 4 to let some women starve to death on camera.mph1977 said:
don4l said:
Good to hear this. I'd be disappointed if it was all just an act.
Looking forward to seeing the three of them on ITV.
If top gear reappeares with CLarkson /Hammond / May it will be on netflix or nothing , no commercial broadcaster would be willing to take the risk of their honest reporting or another 'Vectra Moment' etc - notice how there's no 'consumer' programming on the commercial networks that takes on anything bigger than one man band cowboy builders ... vs the BBC in broadcasting / Which? on paper / various websites e.g. MSE or CAG ) Looking forward to seeing the three of them on ITV.
meanwhile the BBC has happily and willingly killed 2 cars sales stone dead one in editorial content - the Clarkson Vectra moment and the other being Steve Coogan Killing the fird Probe thanks to Gareth 'i'm a tiger ' Cheeseman ...
REALIST123 said:
Don't you have a TV? TG is still on the BBC and other 'commercial' channels just about every day. A new series, were it legally possible, would have lots of opportunities.
There's a big difference between showing repeats once the dust has settled on any complaints and in showing stuff likely to 'cause offence' for the first time.the thing with Clarkson's 'racism' and the other warnings make me laugh TBH. Let's see:
he has a G&T whilst driving in the middle of the Arctic, not within miles of a public road. Seriously?
the Mexican stand-off. Hammond really went for broke on that one yet Clarkson is the one vilified for it.
the 'slope' comment. Ill advised and probably designed to prod the perpetually offended - it worked.
the whole enny-miney-mo thing - something ending up on the cutting floor and never even close to being broadcast. Really? Can you say witch-hunt?
a number of other 'outrages'
interestingly enough non of the TG episodes is broadcast live - meaning that a lot of people passed these comments as ok to go out... why are they also not being censured?
There are more than enough quips in a similar vein to the 'nasty' ones about the Germans, French and (seemingly especially) the Yanks and yet there's no fuss made about them. Why? is it that the professionally offended aren't interested in these as there's no mileage getting worked up about them?
As for Jezza himself... I like the angry old man shtick he portrays (a male equivalent to loose women) but would hope that he's not like that IRL - that being said if he is, so what? Doesn't affect me in the slightest
he has a G&T whilst driving in the middle of the Arctic, not within miles of a public road. Seriously?
the Mexican stand-off. Hammond really went for broke on that one yet Clarkson is the one vilified for it.
the 'slope' comment. Ill advised and probably designed to prod the perpetually offended - it worked.
the whole enny-miney-mo thing - something ending up on the cutting floor and never even close to being broadcast. Really? Can you say witch-hunt?
a number of other 'outrages'
interestingly enough non of the TG episodes is broadcast live - meaning that a lot of people passed these comments as ok to go out... why are they also not being censured?
There are more than enough quips in a similar vein to the 'nasty' ones about the Germans, French and (seemingly especially) the Yanks and yet there's no fuss made about them. Why? is it that the professionally offended aren't interested in these as there's no mileage getting worked up about them?
As for Jezza himself... I like the angry old man shtick he portrays (a male equivalent to loose women) but would hope that he's not like that IRL - that being said if he is, so what? Doesn't affect me in the slightest
irocfan said:
As for Jezza himself... I like the angry old man shtick he portrays (a male equivalent to loose women) but would hope that he's not like that IRL - that being said if he is, so what? Doesn't affect me in the slightest
Same here. He is extremely rude about motorcyclists but I'm not offended. Because I know 90% of it is the Jezza persona rather than the real JC, and the other 10% is his problem not mine.It's been obvious for a very long time that the BBC were going to find some excuse to dump him, I can't believe anyone didn't see it coming. Nostradamus probably said something on the subject.
REALIST123 said:
mph1977 said:
don4l said:
Good to hear this. I'd be disappointed if it was all just an act.
Looking forward to seeing the three of them on ITV.
If top gear reappeares with CLarkson /Hammond / May it will be on netflix or nothing , no commercial broadcaster would be willing to take the risk of their honest reporting or another 'Vectra Moment' etc - notice how there's no 'consumer' programming on the commercial networks that takes on anything bigger than one man band cowboy builders ... vs the BBC in broadcasting / Which? on paper / various websites e.g. MSE or CAG ) Looking forward to seeing the three of them on ITV.
meanwhile the BBC has happily and willingly killed 2 cars sales stone dead one in editorial content - the Clarkson Vectra moment and the other being Steve Coogan Killing the fird Probe thanks to Gareth 'i'm a tiger ' Cheeseman ...
mph1977 said:
you honestly believe that commercial broadcaster would commission a new series of TG and allow them the freedom to be critical as they have been while on the BBC ? the BBC don;t care aobut the potential loss of advertising revenue from an honest review of something shoddy or a an honestly held opinion that portrays something as less deisrable ...
Not this again!Go and have a little watch of a commercial channel called 'Dave', it'll blow your mind!
Ari said:
mph1977 said:
you honestly believe that commercial broadcaster would commission a new series of TG and allow them the freedom to be critical as they have been while on the BBC ? the BBC don;t care aobut the potential loss of advertising revenue from an honest review of something shoddy or a an honestly held opinion that portrays something as less deisrable ...
Not this again!Go and have a little watch of a commercial channel called 'Dave', it'll blow your mind!
Dr Jekyll said:
irocfan said:
As for Jezza himself... I like the angry old man shtick he portrays (a male equivalent to loose women) but would hope that he's not like that IRL - that being said if he is, so what? Doesn't affect me in the slightest
Same here. He is extremely rude about motorcyclists but I'm not offended. Because I know 90% of it is the Jezza persona rather than the real JC, and the other 10% is his problem not mine.It's been obvious for a very long time that the BBC were going to find some excuse to dump him, I can't believe anyone didn't see it coming. Nostradamus probably said something on the subject.
mph1977 said:
REALIST123 said:
mph1977 said:
don4l said:
Good to hear this. I'd be disappointed if it was all just an act.
Looking forward to seeing the three of them on ITV.
If top gear reappeares with CLarkson /Hammond / May it will be on netflix or nothing , no commercial broadcaster would be willing to take the risk of their honest reporting or another 'Vectra Moment' etc - notice how there's no 'consumer' programming on the commercial networks that takes on anything bigger than one man band cowboy builders ... vs the BBC in broadcasting / Which? on paper / various websites e.g. MSE or CAG ) Looking forward to seeing the three of them on ITV.
meanwhile the BBC has happily and willingly killed 2 cars sales stone dead one in editorial content - the Clarkson Vectra moment and the other being Steve Coogan Killing the fird Probe thanks to Gareth 'i'm a tiger ' Cheeseman ...
Showing top gear makes them a profit, owning the format would make them more profit.
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