UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[Strawman]

That seems unfair on both the BBC and whatever you mean by 'ethnic' comedy. The wikipedia page on Winston McKenzie makes interesting reading

said:

There is no evidence that Winston McKenzie has held any paid employment since the collapse of his pub in 2002

said:

He also ran a pub in Parchmore Road, Thornton Heath....... It finally closed down in December 2002, after a single police raid resulted in 25 people on the premises all being charged with various drugs and firearms offences.

said:

2014 local branch difficulties
Winston McKenzie has lost the confidence of his local UKIP branch, amid claims he and his partner Marianne Bowness mishandled thousands of pounds of branch funds. McKenzie was suspended as branch chairman, and later replaced. Members signed motions of No Confidence in McKenzie

But Suzanne Evans must be able to see beyond all that to some inner quality he has.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_McKenzie

[treepke]

Is this going to be a thread covering the good and bad of every prospective politician for every party?

[Mr_B]

Not really. In both cases they lower the bar to fulfill a target. It makes people feel good and provides a counter to anyone claiming under representation.
The guy is a muppet , but they need anyone none white they can get, so they take any old idiot. Bit like that Anjem token brown man they had who turned out to be another liability. Both being a kinda odd analogy equivalent of some of the dire BBC comedy and tokenism they perform where the content is crap and they know it, but it looks good for diversity.

[968]

brenflys777 said:

Which mental illness do you think he has?

Mania and narcissicm perhaps. Well done to UKIP for being so inclusive and selecting him as a candidate.

[treepke]

968 said:

brenflys777 said:

Which mental illness do you think he has?

Mania and narcissicm perhaps. Well done to UKIP for being so inclusive and selecting him as a candidate.

Good job UKIP aren't myopic...but then you would have a cure no doubt.

[968]

treepke said:

Good job UKIP aren't myopic...but then you would have a cure no doubt.

Yes, glasses, contact lenses or lens replacement surgery.

[treepke]

968 said:

treepke said:

Good job UKIP aren't myopic...but then you would have a cure no doubt.

Yes, glasses, contact lenses or lens replacement surgery.

That must make me psychic or is that psychotic?

[Einion Yrth]

968 said:

treepke said:

Good job UKIP aren't myopic...but then you would have a cure no doubt.

Yes, glasses, contact lenses or lens replacement surgery.

For myopia?

[don4l]

Bill said:

Would McKenzie have got a look in as a ukip candidate if he wasn't black?

Would Diane Abbott?

[treepke]

don4l said:

Bill said:

Would McKenzie have got a look in as a ukip candidate if he wasn't black?

Would Diane Abbott?

Has she defected?...must have missed that UKIP literally will let anyone stand for them.

[968]

Einion Yrth said:

For myopia?

Yes. Care to argue with me about that?

[Einion Yrth]

968 said:

Einion Yrth said:

For myopia?

Yes. Care to argue with me about that?

Not at all, in this area your expertise is significantly greater than mine; I was surprised is all, and wished to clarify.

[968]

Einion Yrth said:

Not at all, in this area your expertise is significantly greater than mine; I was surprised is all, and wished to clarify.

Ok totally o/t but it can be the best way to correct high myopia that laser can't treat and also myopia in patients over 45 where LASIK/lasek isn't appropriate.

[don4l]

treepke said:

don4l said:

Bill said:

Would McKenzie have got a look in as a ukip candidate if he wasn't black?

Would Diane Abbott?

Has she defected?...must have missed that UKIP literally will let anyone stand for them.

Would Diane Abbott have been selected for Labour if she wasn't black?

Labour will let anyone stand if they tick the right boxes.

[Axionknight]

She is totally clueless and about as much use as a chocolate teapot so I would say yes, Labour would certainly have let her stand regardless of skin colour - she ticks all the "right" boxes.

[Strawman]

Has Diane Abbot been accused of 'mishandling party money' ? Has she been with no declared income for over 13 years? Has she been barred from holding a publican's licence? Apart from having the same skin colour as UKIP candidate McKenzie I can't see why you've picked her as a comparator?
Oh wait has she unsuccessfully tried to stand for Labour, Conservative, Liberal Democratic and Unity parties? Nope not that either, help me out here.

[brenflys777]

Bill said:

If other parties were allowing similarly poor candidates to move forwards I'd be asking why as well.

As it is it looks like he's there just to show how inclusive ukip are.

McKenzie has put himself forward for mayoral candidacy, without restricting lists UKIP have a diverse group wanting to represent UKIP. I agree that Mckenzie is a poor candidate, I wouldn't presume that he's been allowed to represent UKIP in the past because he's black though.

Suzanne Evans was simply stating the fact that whilst bigots accuse UKIP of racism, sexism and homophobia, UKIPs potential candidates for mayor are inclusive of these groups without having selective access.

Moving on from Mckenzie, do you think the gay men and the female potential candidates are just there because of their sexuality or sex? Or are they just the 'wrong kind' of gays & women because they don't share your political views?

[brenflys777]

968 said:

brenflys777 said:

Which mental illness do you think he has?

Mania and narcissicm perhaps. Well done to UKIP for being so inclusive and selecting him as a candidate.

I didn't realise Narcissism was an illness, I thought it was a characteristic. Learn something new everyday - when it comes to taking the piss out of mental health issues I will readily defer to your medical knowledge and expertise.

[Bill]

brenflys777 said:

McKenzie has put himself forward for mayoral candidacy, without restricting lists UKIP have a diverse group wanting to represent UKIP. I agree that Mckenzie is a poor candidate, I wouldn't presume that he's been allowed to represent UKIP in the past because he's black though.

Suzanne Evans was simply stating the fact that whilst bigots accuse UKIP of racism, sexism and homophobia, UKIPs potential candidates for mayor are inclusive of these groups without having selective access.

Moving on from Mckenzie, do you think the gay men and the female potential candidates are just there because of their sexuality or sex? Or are they just the 'wrong kind' of gays & women because they don't share your political views?

He wants to stand and the party is celebrating. If I was a kipper I'd be hacked off with that because it makes the party look opportunistic and, frankly, ridiculous.

I have no opinion on the other candidates because I know nothing about them.

[brenflys777]

Bill said:

He wants to stand and the party is celebrating. If I was a kipper I'd be hacked off with that because it makes the party look opportunistic and, frankly, ridiculous.

I have no opinion on the other candidates because I know nothing about them.

I'm happy supporting a party that will let any of its members put their name forward to stand.

You've said he's only been selected before because he was black. If he wasn't allowed to put his name forward some bigoted individuals would claim that it was also because he's black.

If Mckenzie is selected or even shortlisted I'd be disappointed, but thankfully UKIP have much better candidates coming forward, this won't be like the Labour leadership election where you have a choice of disastrous options.