Scotland Helicopter Crash
Discussion
Vipers said:
Question. If you lost a relative in the crash, and your were advised you could claim compensation from a faceless insurance company, would you say yes or no.
EFA.In my mind it's bad taste so soon. But knowing that it will take years for it to reach and be concluded in a court it makes sense to start early. And it keeps the incident fresh in the public mind, keeping pressure on all involved parties not to hang about.
It still doesn't quite sit right with me but I can understand how decent, everyday people would go along with this.
Agreed. It may also offer a way for people grieving to feel as though theyre holding someone responsible and doing something about it. Others, of course, may be more interested in the money, but that doesnt make it 'wrong'.
Hardly my most eloquent post, but its early and hopefully its clear enough.
Hardly my most eloquent post, but its early and hopefully its clear enough.
Ozzie Osmond said:
5hero said:
You crash in your leased ford and someone is hurt. Are ford responsible?
Yes, if the accident was caused by negligent design/construction of the vehicle.essayer said:
How can legal action start before the cause of the crash has even been determined?
Because how it fell on the pub, doesn't matter. It fell on the pub. The operators are responsible for making sure their aircraft don't fall on pubs, and have insurance to cover liability should it do so.I know its a helicopter but why isn't the process more like a car accident. If you are involved in a car accident with a car you don't start by suing the car owner do you? You make a claim on the insurance. There might be a court case eventually to determine the amount of compensation and who is responsible for paying it but it's not the start of the prices is it?
NEEP said:
Bond Helicopters making interim payments
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...
While there is strict liability in this case aiui, I doubt Mr Bond would have it any other way. Assuming it is Mr Bond - unlikely to be another, and an excellent chap.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...
His choice of cars, previously (maybe currently) including an XJ220 and a Vanquish, speaks volumes about other noteworthy traits
turbobloke said:
While there is strict liability in this case aiui, I doubt Mr Bond would have it any other way. Assuming it is Mr Bond - unlikely to be another, and an excellent chap.
His choice of cars, previously (maybe currently) including an XJ220 and a Vanquish, speaks volumes about other noteworthy traits
No, pretty sure the Bond Brothers sold Bond Aviation to a Spanish consortium in 2011. I guess they got fed up paying money to grieving relelatives after one of their dubiously maintained helicopters crashed.His choice of cars, previously (maybe currently) including an XJ220 and a Vanquish, speaks volumes about other noteworthy traits
Rude-boy said:
The linked story says no Black Box.
Sorry if covered before but I thought that having one fitted was a legal requirement, and certainly (if not) the sort of thing I would want fitted if I were running a fleet of the things...
Only if above a certain weight (exact figure eludes me at the moment but the EC135 is only just below it)Sorry if covered before but I thought that having one fitted was a legal requirement, and certainly (if not) the sort of thing I would want fitted if I were running a fleet of the things...
NEEP said:
turbobloke said:
While there is strict liability in this case aiui, I doubt Mr Bond would have it any other way. Assuming it is Mr Bond - unlikely to be another, and an excellent chap.
His choice of cars, previously (maybe currently) including an XJ220 and a Vanquish, speaks volumes about other noteworthy traits
No, pretty sure the Bond Brothers sold Bond Aviation to a Spanish consortium in 2011. I guess they got fed up paying money to grieving relelatives after one of their dubiously maintained helicopters crashed.His choice of cars, previously (maybe currently) including an XJ220 and a Vanquish, speaks volumes about other noteworthy traits
turbobloke said:
Thanks for the update. My reference was to a period a few years prior to any sale around 2011. Not that this would alter my view of the person I knew, dubiously maintained helicopters (?) notwithstanding...was that really the case? I would have thought that an operating licence would require a minimum level, one which wouldn't qualify as dubious and which would be subject to checks.
The enquiry into the 2009 Bond super Puma crash that killed 16 has been taking place in Aberdeen and their maintenance reporting has not exactly won any Queens Awards for IndustryNEEP said:
turbobloke said:
Thanks for the update. My reference was to a period a few years prior to any sale around 2011. Not that this would alter my view of the person I knew, dubiously maintained helicopters (?) notwithstanding...was that really the case? I would have thought that an operating licence would require a minimum level, one which wouldn't qualify as dubious and which would be subject to checks.
The enquiry into the 2009 Bond super Puma crash that killed 16 has been taking place in Aberdeen and their maintenance reporting has not exactly won any Queens Awards for IndustryCurious in terms of the sale:
http://www.companydirectorcheck.com/peter-james-bo...
turbobloke said:
When you say 'has been taking place' presumably it's still ongoing. Recent coverage still refers to an AAIB finding that a catastrophic gearbox failure caused the crash, if you're an insider and can comment without breaking any confidentiality applying, or otherwise have relevant professional knowledge, is there a possibility this could be due to component quality on the supply side and not inevitably a servicing issue?
the current discussions over that one are revolving around maintenance response to shavings found in the gearbox the previous week.ie, in hind-sight, the wrong call was made to keep running that gearbox.
(you have to remember that with helo's, the gearbox's are strictly lifed, they don't last forever)
Scuffers said:
turbobloke said:
When you say 'has been taking place' presumably it's still ongoing. Recent coverage still refers to an AAIB finding that a catastrophic gearbox failure caused the crash, if you're an insider and can comment without breaking any confidentiality applying, or otherwise have relevant professional knowledge, is there a possibility this could be due to component quality on the supply side and not inevitably a servicing issue?
the current discussions over that one are revolving around maintenance response to shavings found in the gearbox the previous week.ie, in hind-sight, the wrong call was made to keep running that gearbox.
(you have to remember that with helo's, the gearbox's are strictly lifed, they don't last forever)
This is still the 2009 event so O/T but while we're on it:
At least it was raised with Eurocopter. There must be notes taken during or arising from that approach as to what Eurocopter advised.
Recent article said:
Eurocopter specialist Yannick Boyer said he had been told metal particles were found in a different part of the gearbox from where they were later discovered by crash investigators.
He said procedures later changed.
The discussions between Bond and French company Eurocopter took place the week before the Super Puma crashed off Peterhead.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-25827432He said procedures later changed.
The discussions between Bond and French company Eurocopter took place the week before the Super Puma crashed off Peterhead.
At least it was raised with Eurocopter. There must be notes taken during or arising from that approach as to what Eurocopter advised.
turbobloke said:
NEEP said:
turbobloke said:
Thanks for the update. My reference was to a period a few years prior to any sale around 2011. Not that this would alter my view of the person I knew, dubiously maintained helicopters (?) notwithstanding...was that really the case? I would have thought that an operating licence would require a minimum level, one which wouldn't qualify as dubious and which would be subject to checks.
The enquiry into the 2009 Bond super Puma crash that killed 16 has been taking place in Aberdeen and their maintenance reporting has not exactly won any Queens Awards for IndustryCurious in terms of the sale:
http://www.companydirectorcheck.com/peter-james-bo...
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