UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
So - I ask again - WTF are local government councillors doing ?You don't bring down Brussels by saying you're granting planning permission for somebody's garage extension or debating the new bus route to Nuneaton.Put another way what was their appeal to the electorate-you know- policies and the sort of stuff that politicans are meant to know about?
don4l said:
All UKIP members and supporters are chuffed to bits.
Maybe not all.....http://heatst.com/uk/coup-kip-nigel-farage-didnt-r...
coppice said:
So - I ask again - WTF are local government councillors doing ?You don't bring down Brussels by saying you're granting planning permission for somebody's garage extension or debating the new bus route to Nuneaton.Put another way what was their appeal to the electorate-you know- policies and the sort of stuff that politicans are meant to know about?
Protest vote IMOCountdown said:
don4l said:
All UKIP members and supporters are chuffed to bits.
Maybe not all.....http://heatst.com/uk/coup-kip-nigel-farage-didnt-r...
Anyone would think that the Remain side had won from reading that article.
This is one of my favourite bits:-
Heatstreet said:
The Brexit referendum was won despite Farage – not because of him.
The truth, and everyone knows it, is that we wouldn't have had a referendum without Nigel. If Nigel hadn't fought so tenaciously, we would still be in the EU. Dave Cameron would still be leader of the Conservative party. Ed Milliband would still be leader of Labour, and nobody would have ever heard of Corbyn. Junker, Schulz and Tusk would all be safe in their jobs.the journey has been filled with laughter. Who hasn't giggled like a child as he asked Rumpoy who he was. Who didn't giggle when he told Schulz "we know exactly what sort of president you are going to be". And, of course, the only people who didn't laugh at his last speech, were all sat in the same room. I thought that when he told them "you are not laughing now" I was an absolute cracker.
To be fair, some of them did laugh, and about 100 of them gave him a, well deserved, standing ovation.
It hasn't all been about laughter, though. His speech where he warned about what would happen to the Euro was quite sombre. He also warned that there would be riots in the Mediterranean countries. That wasn't very funny either.
I could go on, but there is no point because you stopped reading ages ago.
don4l said:
Countdown said:
don4l said:
All UKIP members and supporters are chuffed to bits.
Maybe not all.....http://heatst.com/uk/coup-kip-nigel-farage-didnt-r...
don4l said:
This is one of my favourite bits:-
Well, yes and no. I agree he did a fair amount of work in keeping the referendum high on the agenda. However, equally, he put a lot of people off. He doesn't seem particularly liked even within UKIP. Had he been the figurehead of the Leave campaign he would have been as successful as he was at getting UKIP MPs elected to Parliament (ie not very).Heatstreet said:
The Brexit referendum was won despite Farage – not because of him.
The truth, and everyone knows it, is that we wouldn't have had a referendum without Nigel. If Nigel hadn't fought so tenaciously, we would still be in the EU. Sidelining him ws the cleverest move of the campaign. And arguably if he'd put vanity aside and scrapped the time and effort that went into Leave.EU, the Leave campaign may have won by a greater margin.
coppice said:
So - I ask again - WTF are local government councillors doing ?You don't bring down Brussels by saying you're granting planning permission for somebody's garage extension or debating the new bus route to Nuneaton.Put another way what was their appeal to the electorate-you know- policies and the sort of stuff that politicans are meant to know about?
All party political branding at local government level is inherently ridiculous and often counterproductive; for most councillors it is branding and electoral support, not conviction, that keeps them in party colours. The meddling of the SNP national party in Argyll and Bute council in 2012 resulted in overturning the first ever SNP administration there, two further SNP minority administrations imploding amid acrimony and councillors either resigning from the party or being defenstrated; after a year of this nonsense we ended up with the same dictatorial leader at the council the electorate had just rejected. it's unclear exactly why this happened but popular opinion is that it was due to the combination of council finances and Swinney's budget axe meaning huge council job and service cuts in the offing and with the independence referendum on the horizon having a SNP-led council responsible for bad things wasn't to be permitted. Countdown said:
don4l said:
Countdown said:
don4l said:
All UKIP members and supporters are chuffed to bits.
Maybe not all.....http://heatst.com/uk/coup-kip-nigel-farage-didnt-r...
If you tell me that she used to be a bloke, then I will have to cut my dick off.
Testicles will have to go too... just in case.
Countdown said:
don4l said:
This is one of my favourite bits:-
Well, yes and no. I agree he did a fair amount of work in keeping the referendum high on the agenda. However, equally, he put a lot of people off. He doesn't seem particularly liked even within UKIP. Had he been the figurehead of the Leave campaign he would have been as successful as he was at getting UKIP MPs elected to Parliament (ie not very).Heatstreet said:
The Brexit referendum was won despite Farage – not because of him.
The truth, and everyone knows it, is that we wouldn't have had a referendum without Nigel. If Nigel hadn't fought so tenaciously, we would still be in the EU. Sidelining him ws the cleverest move of the campaign. And arguably if he'd put vanity aside and scrapped the time and effort that went into Leave.EU, the Leave campaign may have won by a greater margin.
If you look at Hannan, Johnson, and Farage you will see that they all appeal to different demographics.
Hannan's appeal is purely to the Head.
Farage appeals to the heart.
Boris was a good in-between.
However, I can trust Hannan and Farage. They both strike me as being completely honest people. I don't trust Boris.
If you haven't seen Hannan in action I would recommend typing "Daniel Hannan Gordon Brown" into YouTube.
Even if you admired Brown, I suspect that you will admire the oratory.
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It always amazes me why people leave things to the last minute. Applications for all sorts of things come in at five minutes to midnight on deadline date, regularly.
Two sorts of folks in life, those who are always last minute, usually late, for everything, and those who are always early. Each type drives the others mad.
Two sorts of folks in life, those who are always last minute, usually late, for everything, and those who are always early. Each type drives the others mad.
Nigel Farage said.
"The barrier to radical change and the modernisation of UKIP was implanted in the mid-1990’s. It is called the NEC (National Executive Committee). Many of its current crop are among the lowest grade of people I have ever met. To them, being a member of the governing body of Britain’s third-largest political party is the equivalent of scaling Everest.
People with no qualification in business or politics make the ultimate decisions of whom should be our candidate at a by-election. Or whether the former disgraced Tory MP Neil Hamilton should be given a route back to public life via being elected as an Assembly Member in Wales. It may sound odd to many but I have been a moderniser in UKIP. I have been fought at every step of the way by total amateurs who come to London once a month with sandwiches in their rucksacks, to attend NEC meetings that normally last seven hours.
The new Leader of UKIP should bypass the vanity of such people and make big decisions about UKIP’s future via direct polling of the membership. Yes of course, it brings risk but in a way we get back to the Brexit referendum result. Do you trust the political class or the people? UKIP must trust its members. Whoever wins, if they have the courage to transform the management of our party they will have my wholehearted support."
Bitter and twisted?
"The barrier to radical change and the modernisation of UKIP was implanted in the mid-1990’s. It is called the NEC (National Executive Committee). Many of its current crop are among the lowest grade of people I have ever met. To them, being a member of the governing body of Britain’s third-largest political party is the equivalent of scaling Everest.
People with no qualification in business or politics make the ultimate decisions of whom should be our candidate at a by-election. Or whether the former disgraced Tory MP Neil Hamilton should be given a route back to public life via being elected as an Assembly Member in Wales. It may sound odd to many but I have been a moderniser in UKIP. I have been fought at every step of the way by total amateurs who come to London once a month with sandwiches in their rucksacks, to attend NEC meetings that normally last seven hours.
The new Leader of UKIP should bypass the vanity of such people and make big decisions about UKIP’s future via direct polling of the membership. Yes of course, it brings risk but in a way we get back to the Brexit referendum result. Do you trust the political class or the people? UKIP must trust its members. Whoever wins, if they have the courage to transform the management of our party they will have my wholehearted support."
Bitter and twisted?
PositronicRay said:
Nigel Farage said.
"The barrier to radical change and the modernisation of UKIP was implanted in the mid-1990’s. It is called the NEC (National Executive Committee). Many of its current crop are among the lowest grade of people I have ever met. To them, being a member of the governing body of Britain’s third-largest political party is the equivalent of scaling Everest.
People with no qualification in business or politics make the ultimate decisions of whom should be our candidate at a by-election. Or whether the former disgraced Tory MP Neil Hamilton should be given a route back to public life via being elected as an Assembly Member in Wales. It may sound odd to many but I have been a moderniser in UKIP. I have been fought at every step of the way by total amateurs who come to London once a month with sandwiches in their rucksacks, to attend NEC meetings that normally last seven hours.
The new Leader of UKIP should bypass the vanity of such people and make big decisions about UKIP’s future via direct polling of the membership. Yes of course, it brings risk but in a way we get back to the Brexit referendum result. Do you trust the political class or the people? UKIP must trust its members. Whoever wins, if they have the courage to transform the management of our party they will have my wholehearted support."
Bitter and twisted?
What was bitter and twisted about that? It looks like an informed and rational analysis of what needs to happen in UKIP. "The barrier to radical change and the modernisation of UKIP was implanted in the mid-1990’s. It is called the NEC (National Executive Committee). Many of its current crop are among the lowest grade of people I have ever met. To them, being a member of the governing body of Britain’s third-largest political party is the equivalent of scaling Everest.
People with no qualification in business or politics make the ultimate decisions of whom should be our candidate at a by-election. Or whether the former disgraced Tory MP Neil Hamilton should be given a route back to public life via being elected as an Assembly Member in Wales. It may sound odd to many but I have been a moderniser in UKIP. I have been fought at every step of the way by total amateurs who come to London once a month with sandwiches in their rucksacks, to attend NEC meetings that normally last seven hours.
The new Leader of UKIP should bypass the vanity of such people and make big decisions about UKIP’s future via direct polling of the membership. Yes of course, it brings risk but in a way we get back to the Brexit referendum result. Do you trust the political class or the people? UKIP must trust its members. Whoever wins, if they have the courage to transform the management of our party they will have my wholehearted support."
Bitter and twisted?
jjlynn27 said:
Is this the same 'NEC' that made him un-resign the first time? The people who 'didn't accept' his resignation?
. They do provide perpetual comedy value.
Unusually for me I can see why you might think this has comedic value...except I don't think anything that involves Hamilton has any comedic value whatsoever.. They do provide perpetual comedy value.No reply to my previous posting then?
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