Discussion
Slaav said:
Can we all please 'play nice'?
Note, I said 'can' and not 'May'?
I think I've been remarkably nice. Grumf has merely to quote me to show that "you [that is, I] seem to also be denying saying stuff when it is written for the world to see" and thus show me up for "having no spine", having "no moral courage, no original thoughts and no clue". If he wants me to answer his question he merely has to re-state it and I'll attempt to do so. Note, I said 'can' and not 'May'?
I'll happily do that now, or do it when he returns. That'd be playing nice. Can he do it?
Instead he plays his old trick, bluster, false accusations, character assassination, the old Straw Man routine, name calling and, finally, running away. I think that that's the third time he's done it on this thread alone.
[quote=TheRealFingers99]
And the Palestinians are beasts with legs?
However that turned out, the Israelis were going to make political capital out of it. It bears some comparison with the Nazi films of happy concentration camps.
The context is 418 children killed in the recent Gaza conflict. Children killed on a weekly basis in settler violence, clashes with the IDF and police and, further back:
Add a million plus Palestinians in refugee camps, thousands "just" homeless in Gaza.
99,
Put 418 children in a playground with a rocket launcher in the middle.
If you then fire a rocket into Israel what do you expect the Israeli's to do, protect their citizens from the incoming rocket or let it drop?
I should like to add that on many occasions with similar scenarios to the above the Israeli's do not launch their own rockets in reply due to the potential human casualties of such a strike. As I'm sure you're aware they have both satellite & drone surveillance images while Gaza factions/terrorists do not.
Your call.
Please note that I'm not adding an image of a playground with a rocket launcher for added effect!
Phil
And the Palestinians are beasts with legs?
However that turned out, the Israelis were going to make political capital out of it. It bears some comparison with the Nazi films of happy concentration camps.
The context is 418 children killed in the recent Gaza conflict. Children killed on a weekly basis in settler violence, clashes with the IDF and police and, further back:
Add a million plus Palestinians in refugee camps, thousands "just" homeless in Gaza.
99,
Put 418 children in a playground with a rocket launcher in the middle.
If you then fire a rocket into Israel what do you expect the Israeli's to do, protect their citizens from the incoming rocket or let it drop?
I should like to add that on many occasions with similar scenarios to the above the Israeli's do not launch their own rockets in reply due to the potential human casualties of such a strike. As I'm sure you're aware they have both satellite & drone surveillance images while Gaza factions/terrorists do not.
Your call.
Please note that I'm not adding an image of a playground with a rocket launcher for added effect!
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Wednesday 10th September 06:42
TheRealFingers99 said:
Then quote it! Show me up! Be a man! If anyone here needs to grow a spine, it has to be you. Did you have the only UN tank with reversing mirrors?
Sounds like you're taking the ball away again! Boo hoo.
OK no problem. Sounds like you're taking the ball away again! Boo hoo.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Whether you want to categorise Israel as a terrorist organisation or not, it's very difficult to argue that Israel wasn't founded on acts of terrorism, led by terrorists and doesn't commit acts of terrorism today on a weekly (if not daily) basis
Israel are terrorist organisation, YOUR WORDS!TheRealFingers99 said:
"Since its founding in 1948, the United Nations Security Council, as of January 2010, has adopted 79 resolutions directly critical of Israel for violations of U.N. Security Council resolutions, the U.N. Charter, the Geneva Conventions, international terrorism, or other violations of international law."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel,_Palestine,_an... (emphasis mine)
Trying to show that Israel class them as such, even in bold. YOUR WORDS!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel,_Palestine,_an... (emphasis mine)
TheRealFingers99 said:
Here's a list up to 2009.
There followed a list of 79 UN resolutions that I wont repeat. TheRealFingers99 said:
Are you seriously arguing that there are no acts of terrorism there? (Hey, it's a long list, but I didn't make it!)
YOUR WORDS!TheRealFingers99 said:
This is what happens when you post unedited stuff. Had I edited it you'd have another reason for complaint. Many, many, of those actions would be considered as terrorist acts. That the UN don't characterises them as such there is entirely understandable:
Actually the UN don't "characterise them as such". YOUR WORDS!TheRealFingers99 said:
I don't really care what the UN (or the man in the moon) decides to call them. By most -- if not all -- sane definitions, there are terrorist acts there. We'll move onto the terrorist state bit when you answer the question which I posed and which follows.
"I don't really care what the UN" YOUR WORDS!TheRealFingers99 said:
This is what happens when you post unedited stuff. Had I edited it you'd have another reason for complaint. Many, many, of those actions would be considered as terrorist acts. That the UN don't characterises them as such there is entirely understandable:
a. They have to try and work with them
b. The Americans would veto.
And finally the UN wont do it because the yanks will veto it! YOUR WORDS!a. They have to try and work with them
b. The Americans would veto.
As requested proof of what you said.
1. Israel are terrorist State.
2. The UN says they are.
3. The UN doesn't say they are.
4. Actually I don't care about the UN anyway.
5. The UN wont do it because of the Yanks.
Am I wrong? I have done as requested so maybe now you will develop some moral courage or grow a spine!
What was the quote? Ah yes, I believe it was "Boo hoo"
Grumfutock said:
Mrr T said:
This is going to be a very pointless argument since any web search shows there is NO definitive definition of terrorism.
In terms of Gaza I do not regard Hamas actions against Israel as terrorism, they are act of war by the Government of Gaza. As such any action by Israel in Gaza within the conventions covering the conduct of war cannot be terrorism in my view.
Small point but Hamas are not a recognised a government so how can it be an act of war? In terms of Gaza I do not regard Hamas actions against Israel as terrorism, they are act of war by the Government of Gaza. As such any action by Israel in Gaza within the conventions covering the conduct of war cannot be terrorism in my view.
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Then quote it! Show me up! Be a man! If anyone here needs to grow a spine, it has to be you. Did you have the only UN tank with reversing mirrors?
Sounds like you're taking the ball away again! Boo hoo.
OK no problem. Sounds like you're taking the ball away again! Boo hoo.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Whether you want to categorise Israel as a terrorist organisation or not, it's very difficult to argue that Israel wasn't founded on acts of terrorism, led by terrorists and doesn't commit acts of terrorism today on a weekly (if not daily) basis
Israel are terrorist organisation, YOUR WORDS!Let's establish that -- founded on acts of terrorism:
a. The extremely well documented murder of the UN Peace Delegate and UN Observer in 1948 (Count Folke Bernadotte and Colonel Andre Serot) by the Stern Gang. We return to the Stern Gang later.
b. El Nakba -- the forced ethnic cleansing of large swathes of Israel.
c. The Deir Yassin Massacre and the bombing of the King David Hotel by Irgun (in 1946 and 1948). We'll return to Irgun later.
Founded on acts of terrorism, then. Guilty as charged.
Led by terrorists.
At the time of the assassination of the UN Officials, the Stern Gang was led by Yitzhak Yezernitsky (the future Prime Minister of Israel Yitzhak Shamir) and the principal assassin, Yehoshua Cohen served as Shamir's personal bodyguard during his time as PM.
At the time of the King David Hotel outrage and Deir Yassin, Irgun were led by Menachem Begin, later Prime Minister of Israel.
Led by terrorists, then, guilty as charged.
[commits] acts of terrorism today on a weekly (if not daily) basis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/12581... (assassinations)
http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/Reports/English/kill... (assassinations)
http://palestineun.org/21-august-2014-israeli-assa... (more recent assassinations)
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.57... (assassinations by Mossad)
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/09/07/israe... (listening devices planted in Lebanon, detonated)
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/... (settler attacks on Palestinians and Christians)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas... (settler attacks increase)
https://www.facebook.com/haaretzcom/posts/10152172... (Haaretz video of settler attack while IDF look on)
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/d... (IDF reports on settler violence)
[commits] acts of terrorism today on a weekly (if not daily) basis: guilty as charged.
TheRealFingers99 said:
"Since its founding in 1948, the United Nations Security Council, as of January 2010, has adopted 79 resolutions directly critical of Israel for violations of U.N. Security Council resolutions, the U.N. Charter, the Geneva Conventions, international terrorism, or other violations of international law."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel,_Palestine,_an... (emphasis mine)
Notice the quotation marks? I'm quoting -- and showing I'm quoting -- directly from the Wikipaedia article cited. It may be wrong (although I believe it to be right): but take it up with them.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel,_Palestine,_an... (emphasis mine)
Grumfutock said:
Trying to show that Israel class them as such, even in bold. YOUR WORDS!
I genuinely don't understand what you're saying there. TheRealFingers99 said:
Are you seriously arguing that there are no acts of terrorism there? (Hey, it's a long list, but I didn't make it!)
YOUR WORDS!TheRealFingers99 said:
This is what happens when you post unedited stuff. Had I edited it you'd have another reason for complaint. Many, many, of those actions would be considered as terrorist acts. That the UN don't characterises them as such there is entirely understandable:
Actually the UN don't "characterise them as such". YOUR WORDS!TheRealFingers99 said:
I don't really care what the UN (or the man in the moon) decides to call them. By most -- if not all -- sane definitions, there are terrorist acts there. We'll move onto the terrorist state bit when you answer the question which I posed and which follows.
"I don't really care what the UN" YOUR WORDS!TheRealFingers99 said:
This is what happens when you post unedited stuff. Had I edited it you'd have another reason for complaint. Many, many, of those actions would be considered as terrorist acts. That the UN don't characterises them as such there is entirely understandable:
a. They have to try and work with them
b. The Americans would veto.
a. They have to try and work with them
b. The Americans would veto.
Grumfutock said:
And finally the UN wont do it because the yanks will veto it! YOUR WORDS!
As requested proof of what you said.
1. Israel are terrorist State.
As requested proof of what you said.
1. Israel are terrorist State.
I only say, I believe, that they were founded on terrorism, led by terrorists and continue to commit acts of terrorism on a daily basis. I believe I've proven that. If you want to infer that such a state must be a terrorist state, go ahead.
Grumfutock said:
2. The UN says they are.
3. The UN doesn't say they are.
Take it up with Wikipaedia!3. The UN doesn't say they are.
Grumfutock said:
4. Actually I don't care about the UN anyway.
I don't say I don't care about the UN. But I have established that Israel is a state founded on terrorism, led by terrorists and which commits acts of terrorism, regardless of anything the UN may say. Grumfutock said:
5. The UN wont do it because of the Yanks.
Not yet. Things are changing, though. Jewish settler attacks on Palestinians listed as 'terrorist incidents' by USGrumfutock said:
Am I wrong?
We'll leave that for literate posters to judge, eh?
In the meantime, answer the question:
Is detonating a listening device and causing civilian deaths a terrorist act? (Why detonate the device in the first place?)
Are targeted assassinations carried out outside of a war zone terrorist acts?
Are the assassination of UN delegates terrorist acts?
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 10th September 15:41
How many modern countries can you name that were not founded by 'acts of terrorism' ?
USA? Nope, armed civilians shot and killed British soldiers. Terrorists.
Black South Africa? Nope
England? Nope, shooting arrows in the eye is a clear act of terrorism.
Very few nations were born in acts of peace and tranquillity. Why do you expect Israel to be any different?
USA? Nope, armed civilians shot and killed British soldiers. Terrorists.
Black South Africa? Nope
England? Nope, shooting arrows in the eye is a clear act of terrorism.
Very few nations were born in acts of peace and tranquillity. Why do you expect Israel to be any different?
So still twisting and turning and trying to wriggle out of it. Quite sad really but I didn't expect anything else really. Feel free to carry on but we both know what you said and the context it was written in so by all means twist and squirm some more. We also both now know and understand your level.
Ayahuasca said:
How many modern countries can you name that were not founded by 'acts of terrorism' ?
USA? Nope, armed civilians shot and killed British soldiers. Terrorists.
Black South Africa? Nope
England? Nope, shooting arrows in the eye is a clear act of terrorism.
Very few nations were born in acts of peace and tranquillity. Why do you expect Israel to be any different?
You are making the error of assuming people have an open mind. Some on this thread are so anti Israel it flows through their veins and will never see Israel as nothing other than the enemy, it is in their DNA! Everything is simple (which is handy for them) and very black and white with these guys. Mind you it is fun to read their silly arguments and justifications.USA? Nope, armed civilians shot and killed British soldiers. Terrorists.
Black South Africa? Nope
England? Nope, shooting arrows in the eye is a clear act of terrorism.
Very few nations were born in acts of peace and tranquillity. Why do you expect Israel to be any different?
Transmitter Man said:
Put 418 children in a playground with a rocket launcher in the middle.
If you then fire a rocket into Israel what do you expect the Israeli's to do, protect their citizens from the incoming rocket or let it drop?
Well, such is the overwhelming military superiority of Israel that they simply destroyed almost all the rockets after they were launched. If you then fire a rocket into Israel what do you expect the Israeli's to do, protect their citizens from the incoming rocket or let it drop?
Israel did show some restraint. They could easily have nuked Gaza. Or saturated the place with cluster munitions, white phosphorous, etc. Nevertheless, I'd atgue that they did not keep to their obligations regarding non-combatants and may have used illegal weaponry again.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east...
When Genocide is Permissible eh?
For soldier's accounts of the first Gaza war, see http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/
Transmitter Man said:
Please note that I'm not adding an image of a playground with a rocket launcher for added effect!
You can't find one! And, I wasn't adding the photo from Sabra/Shatila for effect, but for accuracy. It was yet another Israeli atrocity, for which Amos Yaron is, I believe, still facing war crimes charges. "The UN commission led by MacBride concluded that the massacre was a form of genocide.[17] In 1983, the Israeli Kahan Commission, appointed to investigate the incident, found that Israeli military personnel, aware that a massacre was in progress, had failed to take serious steps to stop it. The commission deemed Israel indirectly responsible," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_mas...
The massacre is the subject of the Israeli film Waltz with Bashir
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 10th September 16:11
Grumfutock said:
So still twisting and turning and trying to wriggle out of it. Quite sad really but I didn't expect anything else really. Feel free to carry on but we both know what you said and the context it was written in so by all means twist and squirm some more. We also both now know and understand your level.
I think most of us will acknowledge that you're really not intellectually equipped for this level of debate. You make really crass inferences, don't understand the use of quotation marks and citations, and you're still driving your tank in reverse.
Answer the questions:
Is detonating a listening device and causing civilian deaths a terrorist act? (Why detonate the device in the first place?)
Are targeted assassinations carried out outside of a war zone terrorist acts?
Are the assassination of UN delegates terrorist acts?
TheRealFingers99 said:
I think most of us will acknowledge that you're really not intellectually equipped for this level of debate.
You make really crass inferences, don't understand the use of quotation marks and citations, and you're still driving your tank in reverse.
Yep just keep yacking away fella. Jog on. I know and you know!You make really crass inferences, don't understand the use of quotation marks and citations, and you're still driving your tank in reverse.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Answer the questions:
Is detonating a listening device and causing civilian deaths a terrorist act? (Why detonate the device in the first place?)
Are targeted assassinations carried out outside of a war zone terrorist acts?
Are the assassination of UN delegates terrorist acts?
Real easy!Is detonating a listening device and causing civilian deaths a terrorist act? (Why detonate the device in the first place?)
Are targeted assassinations carried out outside of a war zone terrorist acts?
Are the assassination of UN delegates terrorist acts?
What detonation? Oh you mean the one that may or may not be an Israeli listening device that may or may no of been detonated by an Israeli drone that may or may not of been in the area?
Outside a war zone? Is America in Iraq and other countries? UK are about to do (if they haven't already) and Russia in Ukraine? God lord, the world is full of Terrorist States!!!!!!
What UN delegates? Oh you mean Count Folke Bernadotte nearly 70 years ago, that's 70 years ago! Is that the best you can do?
Run along now!
Edited by Grumfutock on Wednesday 10th September 16:10
Ayahuasca said:
How many modern countries can you name that were not founded by 'acts of terrorism' ?
USA? Nope, armed civilians shot and killed British soldiers. Terrorists.
Black South Africa? Nope
England? Nope, shooting arrows in the eye is a clear act of terrorism.
Very few nations were born in acts of peace and tranquillity. Why do you expect Israel to be any different?
Pretty asinine, if you'll forgive me. USA? Nope, armed civilians shot and killed British soldiers. Terrorists.
Black South Africa? Nope
England? Nope, shooting arrows in the eye is a clear act of terrorism.
Very few nations were born in acts of peace and tranquillity. Why do you expect Israel to be any different?
While a few acts of terrorism were committed in SA by the ANC et al, they're a truly tiny thing as seen against the acts of the white SA government.
The rest don't warrant comment.
Ayahuasca said:
Why do you expect Israel to be any different?
Even Ben Gurion didn't expect it to be any different: ‘We must expel Arabs and take their place'. That was the plan. Not the unfortunate consequence, but the plan. See his letter to his son here. A calculated ethnic cleansing. Splendid.
Grumfutock said:
Real easy!
What detonation? Oh you mean the one that may or may not be an Israeli listening device that may or may no of been detonated by an Israeli drone that may or may not of been in the area?
Who is denying the drone was in the area? Who is denying that the listening devices exist? Who is denying that some have been detonated? Strangely, the Israeli press have reported it: Israel have not denied it. What detonation? Oh you mean the one that may or may not be an Israeli listening device that may or may no of been detonated by an Israeli drone that may or may not of been in the area?
Grumfutock said:
Outside a war zone? Is America in Iraq and other countries? UK are about to do (if they haven't already) and Russia in Ukraine? God lord, the world is full of Terrorist States!!!!!!
Isn't Iraq a war zone? Isn't the Ukraine a war zone? But is Iran?
Grumfutock said:
What UN delegates? Oh you mean Count Folke Bernadotte nearly 70 years ago, that's 70 years ago! Is that the best you can do?
I know you don't like history unless it dates to BC, but: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/12581... (assassinations)
http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/Reports/English/kill... (assassinations)
http://palestineun.org/21-august-2014-israeli-assa... (more recent assassinations)
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.57... (assassinations by Mossad)
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/09/07/israe... (listening devices planted in Lebanon, detonated)
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/... (settler attacks on Palestinians and Christians)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas... (settler attacks increase)
https://www.facebook.com/haaretzcom/posts/10152172... (Haaretz video of settler attack while IDF look on)
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/d... (IDF reports on settler violence)
How many reverse gears does your tank have? You were not in Bosnia with the Dutch, by any chance?
TheRealFingers99 said:
Even Ben Gurion didn't expect it to be any different: ‘We must expel Arabs and take their place'. That was the plan. Not the unfortunate consequence, but the plan. See his letter to his son here.
A calculated ethnic cleansing. Splendid.
During his speech at the UN in 1947 he also said:A calculated ethnic cleansing. Splendid.
"This is our native land; it is not as birds of passage that we return to it. But it is situated in an area engulfed by Arabic-speaking people, mainly followers of Islam. Now, if ever, we must do more than make peace with them; we must achieve collaboration and alliance on equal terms. Remember what Arab delegations from Palestine and its neighbors say in the General Assembly and in other places, talk of Arab-Jewish amity sound fantastic, for the Arabs do not wish it, they will not sit at the same table with us, they want to treat us as they do the Jews of Bagdad, Cairo, and Damascus"
And Azzam Pasha said in 1947:
"I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
Real easy!
What detonation? Oh you mean the one that may or may not be an Israeli listening device that may or may no of been detonated by an Israeli drone that may or may not of been in the area?
Who is denying the drone was in the area? Who is denying that the listening devices exist? Who is denying that some have been detonated? Strangely, the Israeli press have reported it: Israel have not denied it. What detonation? Oh you mean the one that may or may not be an Israeli listening device that may or may no of been detonated by an Israeli drone that may or may not of been in the area?
Grumfutock said:
Outside a war zone? Is America in Iraq and other countries? UK are about to do (if they haven't already) and Russia in Ukraine? God lord, the world is full of Terrorist States!!!!!!
Isn't Iraq a war zone? Isn't the Ukraine a war zone? But is Iran?
Grumfutock said:
What UN delegates? Oh you mean Count Folke Bernadotte nearly 70 years ago, that's 70 years ago! Is that the best you can do?
I know you don't like history unless it dates to BC, but: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/12581... (assassinations)
http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/Reports/English/kill... (assassinations)
http://palestineun.org/21-august-2014-israeli-assa... (more recent assassinations)
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.57... (assassinations by Mossad)
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/09/07/israe... (listening devices planted in Lebanon, detonated)
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/... (settler attacks on Palestinians and Christians)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas... (settler attacks increase)
https://www.facebook.com/haaretzcom/posts/10152172... (Haaretz video of settler attack while IDF look on)
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/d... (IDF reports on settler violence)
How many reverse gears does your tank have? You were not in Bosnia with the Dutch, by any chance?
Care to share the link where Israel admit to the listening device?
Oh and all links are no different to all the ones I could post reporting bombs, tunnels, missiles etc from the peace loving people of Hamas.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Israel did show some restraint. They could easily have nuked Gaza. Or saturated the place with cluster munitions, white phosphorous, etc. Nevertheless, I'd atgue that they did not keep to their obligations regarding non-combatants and may have used illegal weaponry again.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east...
What obligations to non combatants under international law have they not kept. Please explain, I cannot not see any obvious examples. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east...
You do understand unlike say anti personal mines these weapons are not actually banned. What we have are certain left wing politicians/lawyers imposing there own interpretation on various treaties to say certain weapons are outlawed. Based on the fact much more serious weapons have been used by the UK and the US in the last 70 years I would suggest these weapon are not subject to any ban.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Genocide is a crime but I note the UK and the US managed to deliberately wipe out up to 1m non combatants in WW2 and no one was prosecuted. TheRealFingers99 said:
You can't find one! And, I wasn't adding the photo from Sabra/Shatila for effect, but for accuracy. It was yet another Israeli atrocity, for which Amos Yaron is, I believe, still facing war crimes charges.
"The UN commission led by MacBride concluded that the massacre was a form of genocide.[17] In 1983, the Israeli Kahan Commission, appointed to investigate the incident, found that Israeli military personnel, aware that a massacre was in progress, had failed to take serious steps to stop it. The commission deemed Israel indirectly responsible," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_mas...
The massacre is the subject of the Israeli film Waltz with Bashir
I note he is facing charges in Belgium and has even been convicted I believe in Malaysia."The UN commission led by MacBride concluded that the massacre was a form of genocide.[17] In 1983, the Israeli Kahan Commission, appointed to investigate the incident, found that Israeli military personnel, aware that a massacre was in progress, had failed to take serious steps to stop it. The commission deemed Israel indirectly responsible," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_mas...
The massacre is the subject of the Israeli film Waltz with Bashir
However, no charges under international law have ever been brought.
Grumfutock said:
Iraq isnt a war zone for the USA, no! Ukraine isn't a war zone for Russia, no! You mention Iran and I assume you refer to the 1981 Israeli air strikes on Iran????? You really should be clear then we don't have to guess your meaning. So what about the US air strike on Libya in 86????? Difference?
Actually, to the Mosad assassinations of Iranian scientists. You'll discover that the bombing was actually condemned by the UN. Grumfutock said:
Care to share the link where Israel admit to the listening device?
Care to share the link where they deny it? Grumfutock said:
Oh and all links are no different to all the ones I could post reporting bombs, tunnels, missiles etc from the peace loving people of Hamas.
WTF have Hamas (more murdering b
ds) have to do with Israeli assassinations (except against Hamas), settler violence, attacks in the Lebanon? I'm loosing count of the number of times I've attacked Hamas. What you refuse to do is to criticise Israel.
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 10th September 17:29
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