Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
cookie118 said:
I don't agree with your position, but at the same time I can see where you are coming from.
And in relation to my original post-if we'd voted to remain-would 'remain means remain' or 'this is what we've voted for' make those fears go away?
Clearly, anyone who voted Remain didn't understand what "Ever Closer Union" meant, so we would have had to hold another referendum once we had managed to explain it.And in relation to my original post-if we'd voted to remain-would 'remain means remain' or 'this is what we've voted for' make those fears go away?
It really astonishes me that people cannot see what was happening along the Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon path. The fact that you were willing to surrender your country's sovereignty in favour of some socialist dream is shocking.
It really doesn't get more scaremongering than this from the Independent, and one of it's contributors, it's so ludicrous it beggars belief!
'Following Brexit, global warming could leave Britain without food'
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/follow...
'Following Brexit, global warming could leave Britain without food'
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/follow...
rs1952 said:
alfie2244 said:
I will respond - having been, in part, responsible for the abolition of duty free I would hazard a guess that I know far more about the subject than I let on.....heck Brussels even paid me for my opinion on the matter.don't suppose you believe me for a minute but hey ho do I care 
Perhaps this is a bit more in your specialist field:
Will the £8 (8pm - 8am) Eurotunnel tickets will come back (car + 4 people)?....I lived 20 mins from the tunnel, cheap shopping (booze & fags), seafood meal in Calais, few drinks and home in bed by 12pm - cheap night out
ps the minimal Duty Free allowances never were the reason why so many crossed.
I don't really care how much you know or don't know, or what you did or didn't do, as regards duty free. I was simply relating the fact (not an opinion) that you could buy much of the stuff, that was conning the British Public in on board "duty free" shops, at a cheaper price on dry land t'other side the channel.Perhaps this is a bit more in your specialist field:
Will the £8 (8pm - 8am) Eurotunnel tickets will come back (car + 4 people)?....I lived 20 mins from the tunnel, cheap shopping (booze & fags), seafood meal in Calais, few drinks and home in bed by 12pm - cheap night out
ps the minimal Duty Free allowances never were the reason why so many crossed.
I also don't know or care whether Eurotunnel do a cut price "daft-o-clock-at night" price for a crossing, because I wouldn't use it if they did. I believe in travelling when I want to travel and, if when I want to travel is a bit more expensive than in the off peak, then so be it. I have used Eurotunnel on a number of occasions, but on my last 3 or 4 trips the ferries were offering the better deal, so they got my business.
Mind you, if you know as much as you say you do I'm surprised you suggested we could reintroduce this con on the public. Perhaps you have shares in Eurotunnel, P&O or DFDS? That would at least be a reasonably good reason for raising the matter.
don4l said:
Clearly, anyone who voted Remain didn't understand what "Ever Closer Union" meant, so we would have had to hold another referendum once we had managed to explain it.
It really astonishes me that people cannot see what was happening along the Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon path. The fact that you were willing to surrender your country's sovereignty in favour of some socialist dream is shocking.
Quite, and that £350m a week will come in handy won't it.It really astonishes me that people cannot see what was happening along the Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon path. The fact that you were willing to surrender your country's sovereignty in favour of some socialist dream is shocking.
Oh.
Whatever people supported/voted there was plenty of bulls
t going on.Ultimately I still think that no-one will end up being happy with the end result. Quite possibly that would have been true if we had remained. Just a case of making the best of the situation now.
FiF said:
jsf said:
FiF said:
jsf said:
FiF said:
Doesn’t that current 32% tariff income on eg USA wine actually end up being sent to the EU? So from UK perspective is there any loss of tariff Income? If I have misunderstood how EU imposed tariffs work in practice then apologies.
I think the way it works is that the tariff is paid at the point of entry to the EU to the local government exchequer, then the VAT element is effectively paid to the exchequer of the country the goods are sold at their final destination (via internal mechanisms for deferring VAT).If that were the case then the large continental ports could take a kicking if the UK ports take direct imports as a consequence of Brixit, but unfortunately I cant find anything that confirms this is the mechanism.
This is one
Another all very basic
From that last one it suggests that collection costs are about 20%, which seems a lot.
"Where does the money come from?
At the beginning of each new MFF period, all EU Member States must decide by consensus on the types and maximum amounts of own resources that the EU may raise during a year as well as on the method for calculating them. It is the so-called own resources decision. One can say that through their sovereign decision Member States agree to ensure a certain level of revenue to the EU budget over the whole period and make them common own resources of the European Union.
The own resources are of three types.
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Traditional own resources: consist mainly of customs duties on imports from outside the EU and sugar levies. In the 2007–13 MFF, the Member States kept 25 % of the amounts as collection costs.
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Own resources based on value added tax (VAT): this is a uniform rate of 0.3 % which is with some exceptions applied to Member States’ harmonised VAT base.
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Own resources based on gross national income: each Member State transfers a certain percentage of its wealth (expressed in GNI, in 2012 it was 0.7554 %) to the EU budget. Although designed as a balancing item, this system has become the largest source of revenue of the EU budget. It accounts for some 70 % of total revenue.
Other sources of revenue (around 6.2 % in 2012) include tax and other deductions from EU staff remunerations, bank interest, contributions from non-EU countries to certain programmes, interest on late payments and fines."
So the EU take 75% of all import tariffs paid, that's serious dosh they are going to lose from an economy our size!
They also get a cut of our VAT paid, on top of what we send as our contributions.
They are also going to lose the tax take from all those EU jobs that will have to go when the UK no longer needs "looking after".
This means that if we drop those tariffs on USA wine, it's going to make the UK consumer even better off as competitiveness will improve, the UK exchequer will probably be tax neutral at worst as the 25% we keep for processing the duty wont require funding.
don'tbesilly said:
alfie2244 said:
Will the £8 (8pm - 8am) Eurotunnel tickets will come back (car + 4 people)?....I lived 20 mins from the tunnel, cheap shopping (booze & fags), seafood meal in Calais, few drinks and home in bed by 12pm - cheap night out
Nostalgia huh!I'm guessing a cheap night out in Calais right now doesn't quite have the same appeal, despite the massive party the French Gendarmerie attended, quite a riot apparently.
There were lots of bottles involved according to some, most were empty and flying through the air though!
Conservative Conference starts tomorrow. May with the opening speech.
Trailered as Brexit begins, expected announcement of preparation for repeal of 1972 European Communities Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/01/brexit-...
Crafty_ said:
don4l said:
Clearly, anyone who voted Remain didn't understand what "Ever Closer Union" meant, so we would have had to hold another referendum once we had managed to explain it.
It really astonishes me that people cannot see what was happening along the Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon path. The fact that you were willing to surrender your country's sovereignty in favour of some socialist dream is shocking.
Quite, and that £350m a week will come in handy won't it.It really astonishes me that people cannot see what was happening along the Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon path. The fact that you were willing to surrender your country's sovereignty in favour of some socialist dream is shocking.
Oh.
Whatever people supported/voted there was plenty of bulls
t going on.Ultimately I still think that no-one will end up being happy with the end result. Quite possibly that would have been true if we had remained. Just a case of making the best of the situation now.
As long as they go for the "Clean Break", I will be very happy indeed.
So will Jaguar Land Rover who will suddenly see that their cars are much more competetive against BMW and Audi.
Superb news for British jobs.
Mangos might become a bit more expensive, but we will be able to buy cheaper sugar from the Carribbean.
Tate and Lyle shares will do well.
I've just looked at their share price, and I wish that I hadn't had a drink tonight.
Do I sell in the morning, or not?
I think that I will hold. The bloody figures on Google Finance are just rubbish. They make no sense at all.
FiF said:
Conservative Conference starts tomorrow. May with the opening speech.
Trailered as Brexit begins, expected announcement of preparation for repeal of 1972 European Communities Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/01/brexit-...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/716657/Ther...
FiF said:
Conservative Conference starts tomorrow. May with the opening speech.
Trailered as Brexit begins, expected announcement of preparation for repeal of 1972 European Communities Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/01/brexit-...
What that does is gets the civil service preparing for the moment we exit the EU, so that on that day, we have a smooth transition of the laws already passed through the process of Parliament. The new Bill becomes active the moment we officially leave.
That kills the arguments and more importantly the uncertainty that can spook the markets as we head for the exit door, if they see a vacuum or uncertainty.
May seems to be of the approach I much prefer, think things through then come up with policy, rather than the style we have had since Blair. Keep it up Mrs May.
don4l said:
Clearly, anyone who voted Remain didn't understand what "Ever Closer Union" meant, so we would have had to hold another referendum once we had managed to explain it.
It really astonishes me that people cannot see what was happening along the Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon path. The fact that you were willing to surrender your country's sovereignty in favour of some socialist dream is shocking.
So painting the 52% as being racist is (quite rightly) incorrect.It really astonishes me that people cannot see what was happening along the Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon path. The fact that you were willing to surrender your country's sovereignty in favour of some socialist dream is shocking.
But saying that all of the 48% were thick and didn't understand the vote is ok?
Also clearly Jaguars CEO doesn't see the positives you do.
Maybe you should send in your cv?
jsf said:
Sensible.
What that does is gets the civil service preparing for the moment we exit the EU, so that on that day, we have a smooth transition of the laws already passed through the process of Parliament. The new Bill becomes active the moment we officially leave.
That kills the arguments and more importantly the uncertainty that can spook the markets as we head for the exit door, if they see a vacuum or uncertainty.
May seems to be of the approach I much prefer, think things through then come up with policy, rather than the style we have had since Blair. Keep it up Mrs May.
Indeed, it's part of the process as recommended in Flexcit, repatriate all the current legislation so it's a stable situation and business has certainty. Only one part of the process yet, lot remains to be seen.What that does is gets the civil service preparing for the moment we exit the EU, so that on that day, we have a smooth transition of the laws already passed through the process of Parliament. The new Bill becomes active the moment we officially leave.
That kills the arguments and more importantly the uncertainty that can spook the markets as we head for the exit door, if they see a vacuum or uncertainty.
May seems to be of the approach I much prefer, think things through then come up with policy, rather than the style we have had since Blair. Keep it up Mrs May.
FiF said:
jsf said:
Sensible.
What that does is gets the civil service preparing for the moment we exit the EU, so that on that day, we have a smooth transition of the laws already passed through the process of Parliament. The new Bill becomes active the moment we officially leave.
That kills the arguments and more importantly the uncertainty that can spook the markets as we head for the exit door, if they see a vacuum or uncertainty.
May seems to be of the approach I much prefer, think things through then come up with policy, rather than the style we have had since Blair. Keep it up Mrs May.
Indeed, it's part of the process as recommended in Flexcit, repatriate all the current legislation so it's a stable situation and business has certainty. Only one part of the process yet, lot remains to be seen.What that does is gets the civil service preparing for the moment we exit the EU, so that on that day, we have a smooth transition of the laws already passed through the process of Parliament. The new Bill becomes active the moment we officially leave.
That kills the arguments and more importantly the uncertainty that can spook the markets as we head for the exit door, if they see a vacuum or uncertainty.
May seems to be of the approach I much prefer, think things through then come up with policy, rather than the style we have had since Blair. Keep it up Mrs May.
You can then spend the next however long it takes, no doubt many years, working through the law changes that would be required to tailor them for the UK, with the most critical laws visited first.
It's what I suggested would happen prior to the vote, so good to see that is the way it will be managed.
Setting this in motion now also kills the possibility of the Lords holding up the process, because they can only block a bill for 12 months, so if the Lords decide to not play ball it doesn't matter in terms of the UK position on the timing of leaving the EU.
FiF said:
Indeed, it's part of the process as recommended in Flexcit, repatriate all the current legislation so it's a stable situation and business has certainty. Only one part of the process yet, lot remains to be seen.
It still doesn't give business certainty over free market access though surely? It's just in the regulation while the big issue is still unresolved?However it seems like a positive and logical step forward-we remain compliant with EU laws while we remain in the EU but they're written into our laws to retain the flexibility to change them post-brexit.
There's still a lot to be resolved but at least may seems to have her head screwed on so far. It'd just be nice if they could reveal a little more of what they are aiming for in terms of free trade. Now that would give business some certainty!
Jimboka said:
Let's see what the new German Chancellor & new French President come up with to persuade us to stay . Sarkozy is making the right noises & is favourite to win.
No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
Nice to see some poster on here still have a sense of humour No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
Jimboka said:
Let's see what the new German Chancellor & new French President come up with to persuade us to stay . Sarkozy is making the right noises & is favourite to win.
No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
It's not a neverendum. No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
Just run some numbers.
UK exchequer according to which took £2.8 Billion in customs duty and £100.572 Billion in VAT in a year (not sure if 2015 figures).
Assuming that figure is the full customs duty to HMRC, and not just the 25% we keep, that means the EU is going to lose £2.439 Billion, on top of our contributions.
If that represented just the 25% we keep, then the EU would lose almost £9 Billion, on top of our contributions.
The EU took 18.6 Billion Euro from customs duties last year.
UK exchequer according to which took £2.8 Billion in customs duty and £100.572 Billion in VAT in a year (not sure if 2015 figures).
Assuming that figure is the full customs duty to HMRC, and not just the 25% we keep, that means the EU is going to lose £2.439 Billion, on top of our contributions.
If that represented just the 25% we keep, then the EU would lose almost £9 Billion, on top of our contributions.
The EU took 18.6 Billion Euro from customs duties last year.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 1st October 23:49
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