Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
jsf said:
Jimboka said:
Let's see what the new German Chancellor & new French President come up with to persuade us to stay . Sarkozy is making the right noises & is favourite to win.
No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
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cookie118 said:
don4l said:
Clearly, anyone who voted Remain didn't understand what "Ever Closer Union" meant, so we would have had to hold another referendum once we had managed to explain it.
It really astonishes me that people cannot see what was happening along the Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon path. The fact that you were willing to surrender your country's sovereignty in favour of some socialist dream is shocking.
So painting the 52% as being racist is (quite rightly) incorrect.It really astonishes me that people cannot see what was happening along the Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon path. The fact that you were willing to surrender your country's sovereignty in favour of some socialist dream is shocking.
But saying that all of the 48% were thick and didn't understand the vote is ok?
Also clearly Jaguars CEO doesn't see the positives you do.
Maybe you should send in your cv?
Guess what!
I'm not going to wet it.
We appear to have a new Prime Minister who I geniunely think is going is going to be better than Matgaret.
No doubt the lawyers will be the only real winners again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3817611/Gi...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3817611/Gi...
PurpleMoonlight said:
I was thinking the other day, when listening about that space craft crashing into the comet, that we, as people on this planet, have all our priorities wrong. Why are we spending billions on researching the origin of the universe etc when there are people without clean water to drink and enough food to eat.
Even though we're drifting off topic, that is something we can agree on. Apparently the craft has sent back so much data that they're saying it will take 10 years to analyse it all. That's a team of educated people spending 10 years of working life analysing data from a passing comet. Presumably they're not doing that for free so someone is paying the bill, but more importantly they could be doing something with their abilities which directly help mankind. I'm not sure knowing where life came from is going to help starving people or educate and improve the standard of living in the 3rd world.
Whenever I had someone request an experimental program I'd ask 2 questions. Firstly, what results do you expect and secondly, what action or benefit are you going to get from said results ? I'm struggling with the origins of life, the universe and everything. I thought the answer was 42.
Edited by b2hbm on Sunday 2nd October 07:05
Jimboka said:
Let's see what the new German Chancellor & new French President come up with to persuade us to stay . Sarkozy is making the right noises & is favourite to win.
No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
Ho Ho Ho - have you been on the Christmas sherry already ?No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
Robertj21a said:
Jimboka said:
Let's see what the new German Chancellor & new French President come up with to persuade us to stay . Sarkozy is making the right noises & is favourite to win.
No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
Ho Ho Ho - have you been on the Christmas sherry already ?No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
Personally, I think those remainers who are still spouting forth rubbish don't actually think we're going to u-turn, they're just keeping themselves occupied and pretending nothing is happening.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...
PurpleMoonlight said:
No doubt the lawyers will be the only real winners again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3817611/Gi...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3817611/Gi...
well, I'll admit when I voted I didn't foresee that coming. Hitting Junckers where it hurts (in the wine cellar) eh ? We must be serious about it.bmw535i said:
Personally, I think those remainers who are still spouting forth rubbish don't actually think we're going to u-turn, they're just keeping themselves occupied and pretending nothing is happening.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...
As has been said many times a lot of people believe we are heading for a Brexit that is so compromised and negative that many leave voters will consider it to be a u-turn. The 'land of milk and honey' or 'you can have it all' Brexit arrangements that people like Johnson and Fox continue to predict will simply not happen.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...
The story you have linked to in the Telegraph is another piece of spin to create the illusion that we are moving forward. However, Mays 'great repeal bill' will not kick of until the next queens speech. This is in line with previous statements from May and Johnson that the Brexit process will need to formally commence prior to European elections in spring 2017.
In other words, not much has happened yet and this will continue to be the case for another 6 months.
Elysium said:
bmw535i said:
Personally, I think those remainers who are still spouting forth rubbish don't actually think we're going to u-turn, they're just keeping themselves occupied and pretending nothing is happening.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...
As has been said many times a lot of people believe we are heading for a Brexit that is so compromised and negative that many leave voters will consider it to be a u-turn. The 'land of milk and honey' or 'you can have it all' Brexit arrangements that people like Johnson and Fox continue to predict will simply not happen.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...
The story you have linked to in the Telegraph is another piece of spin to create the illusion that we are moving forward. However, Mays 'great repeal bill' will not kick of until the next queens speech. This is in line with previous statements from May and Johnson that the Brexit process will need to formally commence prior to European elections in spring 2017.
In other words, not much has happened yet and this will continue to be the case for another 6 months.
powerstroke said:
It is a positive step in the right direction , yes ?
It's outlining the process, that's all at this stage.From the Mail:
The Bill is expected to be brought before Parliament in 2017 or 2018, and will not pre-empt the two-year process of leaving the EU, which begins when the Government triggers Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.
PurpleMoonlight said:
powerstroke said:
It is a positive step in the right direction , yes ?
It's outlining the process, that's all at this stage.From the Mail:
The Bill is expected to be brought before Parliament in 2017 or 2018, and will not pre-empt the two-year process of leaving the EU, which begins when the Government triggers Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.
Elysium said:
As has been said many times a lot of people believe we are heading for a Brexit that is so compromised and negative that many leave voters will consider it to be a u-turn. The 'land of milk and honey' or 'you can have it all' Brexit arrangements that people like Johnson and Fox continue to predict will simply not happen.
The story you have linked to in the Telegraph is another piece of spin to create the illusion that we are moving forward. However, Mays 'great repeal bill' will not kick of until the next queens speech. This is in line with previous statements from May and Johnson that the Brexit process will need to formally commence prior to European elections in spring 2017.
In other words, not much has happened yet and this will continue to be the case for another 6 months.
Oh, and here's me looking forward to the much discussed hard Brexit. Are you still in denial? The story you have linked to in the Telegraph is another piece of spin to create the illusion that we are moving forward. However, Mays 'great repeal bill' will not kick of until the next queens speech. This is in line with previous statements from May and Johnson that the Brexit process will need to formally commence prior to European elections in spring 2017.
In other words, not much has happened yet and this will continue to be the case for another 6 months.
Brexit means Brexit. Don't go making up your own definition of u-turn
b2hbm said:
Whenever I had someone request an experimental program I'd ask 2 questions. Firstly, what results do you expect and secondly, what action or benefit are you going to get from said results ?
Question 1 could be ok. Edited by b2hbm on Sunday 2nd October 07:05
Question 2 is fool. It would mean the end of any basic research. And believe me, it is enormously important.
jsf said:
Just run some numbers. 
UK exchequer according to which took £2.8 Billion in customs duty and £100.572 Billion in VAT in a year (not sure if 2015 figures).
Assuming that figure is the full customs duty to HMRC, and not just the 25% we keep, that means the EU is going to lose £2.439 Billion, on top of our contributions.
If that represented just the 25% we keep, then the EU would lose almost £9 Billion, on top of our contributions.
The EU took 18.6 Billion Euro from customs duties last year.
That's approximately another 5% off their total income. As I said, follow the money. UK exchequer according to which took £2.8 Billion in customs duty and £100.572 Billion in VAT in a year (not sure if 2015 figures).
Assuming that figure is the full customs duty to HMRC, and not just the 25% we keep, that means the EU is going to lose £2.439 Billion, on top of our contributions.
If that represented just the 25% we keep, then the EU would lose almost £9 Billion, on top of our contributions.
The EU took 18.6 Billion Euro from customs duties last year.
Edited by jsf on Saturday 1st October 23:49
bmw535i said:
Elysium said:
As has been said many times a lot of people believe we are heading for a Brexit that is so compromised and negative that many leave voters will consider it to be a u-turn. The 'land of milk and honey' or 'you can have it all' Brexit arrangements that people like Johnson and Fox continue to predict will simply not happen.
The story you have linked to in the Telegraph is another piece of spin to create the illusion that we are moving forward. However, Mays 'great repeal bill' will not kick of until the next queens speech. This is in line with previous statements from May and Johnson that the Brexit process will need to formally commence prior to European elections in spring 2017.
In other words, not much has happened yet and this will continue to be the case for another 6 months.
Oh, and here's me looking forward to the much discussed hard Brexit. Are you still in denial? The story you have linked to in the Telegraph is another piece of spin to create the illusion that we are moving forward. However, Mays 'great repeal bill' will not kick of until the next queens speech. This is in line with previous statements from May and Johnson that the Brexit process will need to formally commence prior to European elections in spring 2017.
In other words, not much has happened yet and this will continue to be the case for another 6 months.
Brexit means Brexit. Don't go making up your own definition of u-turn
I am massively relieved by the speed at which the economy stabilised following the chaos on the day of the result. However, I don't believe for a moment that this has happened because Brexit is good news for British business.
We are now in a high risk poker game and I have very little confidence in the ability of our team and their resolve to get a decent long term result. Statements from senior politicians seem to be attempts to test public opinion regarding the extent to which compromise will be acceptable and I fear that our Govt will be tempted to accept almost any 'deal' in order to show that it has acted on the referendum.
That is why I want to see proper scrutiny on the negotiations and the triggering of article 50. I do not trust a handful of MP's to deliver a good outcome without oversight from the rest of parliament.
I am afraid that the upside from this point is incredibly limited and the downside risk is great. When Cameron gave people the chance to vote leave the majority will have assumed that he had some way of delivering that. His immediate resignation shows that he did not and that he does not have the stomach to see through the task.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
Funkycoldribena said:
jsf said:
Jimboka said:
Let's see what the new German Chancellor & new French President come up with to persuade us to stay . Sarkozy is making the right noises & is favourite to win.
No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
No point in May negotiating with the outgoing administrations.
Referendum 2 in reformed EU at the end of 2017
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Clearly easily lead by pollstersElysium said:
I have never been in denial about Brexit. In my opinion the leave vote is a massive risk to our collective prosperity and my personal finances.
I am massively relieved by the speed at which the economy stabilised following the chaos on the day of the result. However, I don't believe for a moment that this has happened because Brexit is good news for British business.
We are now in a high risk poker game and I have very little confidence in the ability of our team and their resolve to get a decent long term result. Statements from senior politicians seem to be attempts to test public opinion regarding the extent to which compromise will be acceptable and I fear that our Govt will be tempted to accept almost any 'deal' in order to show that it has acted on the referendum.
That is why I want to see proper scrutiny on the negotiations and the triggering of article 50. I do not trust a handful of MP's to deliver a good outcome without oversight from the rest of parliament.
I am afraid that the upside from this point is incredibly limited and the downside risk is great. When Cameron gave people the chance to vote leave the majority will have assumed that he had some way of delivering that. His immediate resignation shows that he did not and that he does not have the stomach to see through the task.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
Well put. I am massively relieved by the speed at which the economy stabilised following the chaos on the day of the result. However, I don't believe for a moment that this has happened because Brexit is good news for British business.
We are now in a high risk poker game and I have very little confidence in the ability of our team and their resolve to get a decent long term result. Statements from senior politicians seem to be attempts to test public opinion regarding the extent to which compromise will be acceptable and I fear that our Govt will be tempted to accept almost any 'deal' in order to show that it has acted on the referendum.
That is why I want to see proper scrutiny on the negotiations and the triggering of article 50. I do not trust a handful of MP's to deliver a good outcome without oversight from the rest of parliament.
I am afraid that the upside from this point is incredibly limited and the downside risk is great. When Cameron gave people the chance to vote leave the majority will have assumed that he had some way of delivering that. His immediate resignation shows that he did not and that he does not have the stomach to see through the task.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
And the mash hits all the recent key points, notably for Foxy.
Elysium said:
I have never been in denial about Brexit. In my opinion the leave vote is a massive risk to our collective prosperity and my personal finances.
I am massively relieved by the speed at which the economy stabilised following the chaos on the day of the result. However, I don't believe for a moment that this has happened because Brexit is good news for British business.
We are now in a high risk poker game and I have very little confidence in the ability of our team and their resolve to get a decent long term result. Statements from senior politicians seem to be attempts to test public opinion regarding the extent to which compromise will be acceptable and I fear that our Govt will be tempted to accept almost any 'deal' in order to show that it has acted on the referendum.
That is why I want to see proper scrutiny on the negotiations and the triggering of article 50. I do not trust a handful of MP's to deliver a good outcome without oversight from the rest of parliament.
I am afraid that the upside from this point is incredibly limited and the downside risk is great. When Cameron gave people the chance to vote leave the majority will have assumed that he had some way of delivering that. His immediate resignation shows that he did not and that he does not have the stomach to see through the task.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
I hope the government doesn't get involved in brinkmanship and bluff with the EU as it just leads to increased uncertainty which is the last thing business needs or wants, but I fear they will. I am massively relieved by the speed at which the economy stabilised following the chaos on the day of the result. However, I don't believe for a moment that this has happened because Brexit is good news for British business.
We are now in a high risk poker game and I have very little confidence in the ability of our team and their resolve to get a decent long term result. Statements from senior politicians seem to be attempts to test public opinion regarding the extent to which compromise will be acceptable and I fear that our Govt will be tempted to accept almost any 'deal' in order to show that it has acted on the referendum.
That is why I want to see proper scrutiny on the negotiations and the triggering of article 50. I do not trust a handful of MP's to deliver a good outcome without oversight from the rest of parliament.
I am afraid that the upside from this point is incredibly limited and the downside risk is great. When Cameron gave people the chance to vote leave the majority will have assumed that he had some way of delivering that. His immediate resignation shows that he did not and that he does not have the stomach to see through the task.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
don4l said:
cookie118 said:
don4l said:
Clearly, anyone who voted Remain didn't understand what "Ever Closer Union" meant, so we would have had to hold another referendum once we had managed to explain it.
It really astonishes me that people cannot see what was happening along the Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon path. The fact that you were willing to surrender your country's sovereignty in favour of some socialist dream is shocking.
So painting the 52% as being racist is (quite rightly) incorrect.It really astonishes me that people cannot see what was happening along the Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon path. The fact that you were willing to surrender your country's sovereignty in favour of some socialist dream is shocking.
But saying that all of the 48% were thick and didn't understand the vote is ok?
Also clearly Jaguars CEO doesn't see the positives you do.
Maybe you should send in your cv?
Guess what!
I'm not going to wet it.
We appear to have a new Prime Minister who I geniunely think is going is going to be better than Matgaret.
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