Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
Mr GrimNasty said:
These experts and advisers all just parrot the official dogma, oblivious to the facts, devoid of any curiosity, they really do just believe it without question and seem perplexed and irritated if anyone else won't just accept it all on faith.
but 97% of scientists agree...Scuffers said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
These experts and advisers all just parrot the official dogma, oblivious to the facts, devoid of any curiosity, they really do just believe it without question and seem perplexed and irritated if anyone else won't just accept it all on faith.
but 97% of scientists agree...Just to return to morbid reality...any Ph diehards who listen to The Archers (my guilty secret) on BBC R4 (an everyday tale of countryfolk) will have enjoyed last week's marathon effort - a whole week devoted to flooding on an unprecedented scale (given that the show has 50 years of history).
Nobody has fingered AGW or climate chaos (yet). But last night there was an outburst likening the fields of temperate Borsetshire with sub-saharan Africa (what's causing this unprecedented erosion????).
It's only a minority interest programme...maybe a million or two listeners. Helps to plant ideas though (which was one of the initial aims of the programme) and - like many soaps - has been in the vanguard of societal change allowing us hayseed types to remain current on modern mores. We listen to the radio when really we should be out burning heretics and badger baiting.
Anyone else been bothered by the recent flooding? It's unprecedented you know.
Nobody has fingered AGW or climate chaos (yet). But last night there was an outburst likening the fields of temperate Borsetshire with sub-saharan Africa (what's causing this unprecedented erosion????).
It's only a minority interest programme...maybe a million or two listeners. Helps to plant ideas though (which was one of the initial aims of the programme) and - like many soaps - has been in the vanguard of societal change allowing us hayseed types to remain current on modern mores. We listen to the radio when really we should be out burning heretics and badger baiting.
Anyone else been bothered by the recent flooding? It's unprecedented you know.
The Don of Croy said:
Anyone else been bothered by the recent flooding? It's unprecedented you know.
ISWYM
However...Macklin et al (2003) would beg to disagree.
Abstract said:
A comprehensive database of radiocarbon dated fluvial units in Great Britain, Poland and Spain has been compiled to investigate the relationship between environmental change, flooding and Holocene river dynamics. Following the methodology recently developed by Macklin and Lewin [Macklin, M.G., Lewin, J., 2003. River sediments, great floods and centennial-scale Holocene climate change. Journal of Quaternary Science 18, 101–105], radiocarbon dates in fluvial sequences that coincide with a modification in sedimentation rate, or style, have been highlighted, allowing geomorphologically significant changes in Holocene river activity to be identified. Data analysis has been undertaken at both national and sub-national scales, and on catchments of different size, type and land-use history. Multiple phases of higher flood frequency, characterized by accelerated erosion and sediment deposition on floodplains, are recognized and compared with a range of climate proxies. The relative and varying roles of climate and land-use on river dynamics are considered and the value of the database for reconstructing past hydrological events, as well as for predicting river response to future environmental change, is assessed.
This and similar papers find major flood events at or exceeding current slow-moving depression/jet stream kink plus multiple depression levels.At the time of another paper (2005) they had sixteen episodes of major flooding occurrence identified, 12 of which (at ca 11160, 5730, 4840, 4520, 3540, 2730, 2550, 2280, 1950, 1290, 660, 570 BP) are recorded in most GB regions, whereas four phases (at c. 6820, 5540, 1650, 860 cal. BP) affected some parts of Great Britain more than others. Bearing in mind that the Somerset flooding was an EA snafu on top of the jet stream wibble, the 12 national events must have been truly diluvian.
Unprecedented......no way. Causally linked to human emissions of tax gas....hilariously wrong.
Cut to the Archers theme tune
The Don of Croy said:
Anyone else been bothered by the recent flooding? It's unprecedented you know.
Presumably they will pin it on the removal of hedge rows and poor soil management techniques implemented by the megafarms owned by the nasty supermarkets?Or will they follow the herd, so to speak, and simply ramp up the story on and off until December and the International Green Community's expenses paid Xmas shopping trip to Paris?
The PR build up to the Paris climate change conference should be getting underway soon, with the usual dose of "heat, death, worse than previously thought, C02, unprecedented, model based, but we only have fourteen hours to save the Earth! (flash Gordon quote )" type articles.
It will be timed to reach a crescendo of C02 based doom-mongering, just before the conference in Q4 this year.
)" type articles. It will be timed to reach a crescendo of C02 based doom-mongering, just before the conference in Q4 this year.
(bloodhound gang reference)
turbobloke said:
The Don of Croy said:
Anyone else been bothered by the recent flooding? It's unprecedented you know.
ISWYM
However...Macklin et al (2003) would beg to disagree.
Abstract said:
A comprehensive database of radiocarbon dated fluvial units in Great Britain, Poland and Spain has been compiled to investigate the relationship between environmental change, flooding and Holocene river dynamics. Following the methodology recently developed by Macklin and Lewin [Macklin, M.G., Lewin, J., 2003. River sediments, great floods and centennial-scale Holocene climate change. Journal of Quaternary Science 18, 101–105], radiocarbon dates in fluvial sequences that coincide with a modification in sedimentation rate, or style, have been highlighted, allowing geomorphologically significant changes in Holocene river activity to be identified. Data analysis has been undertaken at both national and sub-national scales, and on catchments of different size, type and land-use history. Multiple phases of higher flood frequency, characterized by accelerated erosion and sediment deposition on floodplains, are recognized and compared with a range of climate proxies. The relative and varying roles of climate and land-use on river dynamics are considered and the value of the database for reconstructing past hydrological events, as well as for predicting river response to future environmental change, is assessed.
This and similar papers find major flood events at or exceeding current slow-moving depression/jet stream kink plus multiple depression levels.At the time of another paper (2005) they had sixteen episodes of major flooding occurrence identified, 12 of which (at ca 11160, 5730, 4840, 4520, 3540, 2730, 2550, 2280, 1950, 1290, 660, 570 BP) are recorded in most GB regions, whereas four phases (at c. 6820, 5540, 1650, 860 cal. BP) affected some parts of Great Britain more than others. Bearing in mind that the Somerset flooding was an EA snafu on top of the jet stream wibble, the 12 national events must have been truly diluvian.
Unprecedented......no way. Causally linked to human emissions of tax gas....hilariously wrong.
Cut to the Archers theme tune
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