Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[Mr GrimNasty]

A nice concise Agenda 21 grounder/comment.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015...

[turbobloke]

Andy Zarse said:

turbobloke said:

The Don of Croy said:

Anyone else been bothered by the recent flooding? It's unprecedented you know.

ISWYM

However...Macklin et al (2003) would beg to disagree.

Abstract said:

A comprehensive database of radiocarbon dated fluvial units in Great Britain, Poland and Spain has been compiled to investigate the relationship between environmental change, flooding and Holocene river dynamics. Following the methodology recently developed by Macklin and Lewin [Macklin, M.G., Lewin, J., 2003. River sediments, great floods and centennial-scale Holocene climate change. Journal of Quaternary Science 18, 101–105], radiocarbon dates in fluvial sequences that coincide with a modification in sedimentation rate, or style, have been highlighted, allowing geomorphologically significant changes in Holocene river activity to be identified. Data analysis has been undertaken at both national and sub-national scales, and on catchments of different size, type and land-use history. Multiple phases of higher flood frequency, characterized by accelerated erosion and sediment deposition on floodplains, are recognized and compared with a range of climate proxies. The relative and varying roles of climate and land-use on river dynamics are considered and the value of the database for reconstructing past hydrological events, as well as for predicting river response to future environmental change, is assessed.

This and similar papers find major flood events at or exceeding current slow-moving depression/jet stream kink plus multiple depression levels.

At the time of another paper (2005) they had sixteen episodes of major flooding occurrence identified, 12 of which (at ca 11160, 5730, 4840, 4520, 3540, 2730, 2550, 2280, 1950, 1290, 660, 570 BP) are recorded in most GB regions, whereas four phases (at c. 6820, 5540, 1650, 860 cal. BP) affected some parts of Great Britain more than others. Bearing in mind that the Somerset flooding was an EA snafu on top of the jet stream wibble, the 12 national events must have been truly diluvian.

Unprecedented......no way. Causally linked to human emissions of tax gas....hilariously wrong.

Cut to the Archers theme tune

I understand Eddy Grundy and Kenton got into a terrible punch up in the car park of The Bull over this.

I seem to recall reading about that in Climate Weakly.

[Andy Zarse]

turbobloke said:

I seem to recall reading about that in Climate Weakly.

The result was a bit ambriguous.

[Ali G]

4v6 said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Sadly not, but you do have Natalie Bennett

God Natalie! I know I would........nt.

One must not judge a book by its cover.

Judge a book by its content.



If content is written poorly and full of nonsensical and illogical gibberish, then book may be judged accordingly, although it may, yet, still be classified as 'fantasy'

Not sure if Bennett classifies as 'fantasy' under any circumstances.

[turbobloke]

Andy Zarse said:

turbobloke said:

I seem to recall reading about that in Climate Weakly.

The result was a bit ambriguous.

Of borset was, given The Bull involved.

[Einion Yrth]

Ali G said:

One must not judge a book by its cover.

Judge a book by its content.



If content is written poorly and full of nonsensical and illogical gibberish, then book may be judged accordingly, although it may, yet, still be classified as 'fantasy'

Not sure if Bennett classifies as 'fantasy' under any circumstances.

Horror. I'd have thought.

[Ali G]

Unfortunately, she cannot escape a voice similar to a Kookaburra gargling a cane toad.

But perhaps her efforts may be better employed in assisting Ozzie with cane toad infestation?

[hidetheelephants]

The Don of Croy said:

Anyone else been bothered by the recent flooding building of human habitation on flood-prone land? It's unprecedented you know.

Edited for reality.

[wc98]

Mr GrimNasty said:

A nice concise Agenda 21 grounder/comment.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015...

Local Agenda 21 (LA21) is regarded as a comprehensive local level action plan for the 21st century and has been embraced by the UK. In 1997 the British Prime-minister; Tony Blair said:

'I want all local authorities in the UK to adopt Local Agenda 21 Strategies by the year 2000.'

from here http://www.lordgrey.org.uk/~f014/usefulresources/a...

would appear most if not all local authorities are signed up.

[dickymint]

wc98 said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

A nice concise Agenda 21 grounder/comment.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015...

Local Agenda 21 (LA21) is regarded as a comprehensive local level action plan for the 21st century and has been embraced by the UK. In 1997 the British Prime-minister; Tony Blair said:

'I want all local authorities in the UK to adopt Local Agenda 21 Strategies by the year 2000.'

from here http://www.lordgrey.org.uk/~f014/usefulresources/a...

would appear most if not all local authorities are signed up.

Strange that Agenda 21 never gets mentioned by name by MSM - I've made a point of asking my mates and anybody I discuss climate with if they know about it, nobody has yet said they no about it, even a couple of Councillors I know hadn't!

[krunchkin]

Not sure if this has been posted here before, but what a fascinating article - it shows just how laughable any attempt to blame the vast global forces that affect climate on humans is ...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summ...

[turbobloke]

And we may well be heading into another Dalton type minimum at the moment, at least that's what the data says, but not inadequate climate model gigo.

[Mr GrimNasty]

dickymint said:

wc98 said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

A nice concise Agenda 21 grounder/comment.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015...

Local Agenda 21 (LA21) is regarded as a comprehensive local level action plan for the 21st century and has been embraced by the UK. In 1997 the British Prime-minister; Tony Blair said:

'I want all local authorities in the UK to adopt Local Agenda 21 Strategies by the year 2000.'

from here http://www.lordgrey.org.uk/~f014/usefulresources/a...

would appear most if not all local authorities are signed up.

Strange that Agenda 21 never gets mentioned by name by MSM - I've made a point of asking my mates and anybody I discuss climate with if they know about it, nobody has yet said they no about it, even a couple of Councillors I know hadn't!

Our democracy really is just an illusion. Keeps us all quiet, thinking we have a say, but with Europe, Agenda 21, etc. it matters not one iota who we vote for.

[Andy Zarse]

@afneil: Mmmmm. Theory that 18-year temperature hiatus caused by heat disappearing into ocean deep takes a knock.
http://t.co/dSV0C4vLZK

[turbobloke]

Andy Zarse said:

@afneil: Mmmmm. Theory that 18-year temperature hiatus caused by heat disappearing into ocean deep takes a knock.
http://t.co/dSV0C4vLZK

"The global integral of vertical heat flux shows an upward heat transport in the deep ocean, suggesting a cooling trend in the deep ocean."

Ooops, poor old Trenberth, the missing heat really did go thataway ^ as per many a PH post. Models wrong shocker.

[rovermorris999]

As the 'pause' continues perhaps we need a new name for those who keep espousing the value and accuracy of the models. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander so I propose 'data deniers' or DD's for short. Any better ideas?

[dickymint]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2995239/Wh...

[Mr GrimNasty]

It's a shame the BBC can hardly contain its glee over the deaths and damage from Pam.

The Pacific storm activity has been nothing excessive, and there have of course been very similarly intense storms like Zoe before.

But we still have all the 'worst ever' nonsense, again.

[chris watton]

Mr GrimNasty said:

It's a shame the BBC can hardly contain its glee over the deaths and damage from Pam.

The Pacific storm activity has been nothing excessive, and there have of course been very similarly intense storms like Zoe before.

But we still have all the 'worst ever' nonsense, again.

I heard this on the news this morning, BBC stating that the whole place is 'devastated'. What is the death toll there, I wondered. 8 deaths! Now, I know it's still bad that 8 have died, but the way this was being spun, I assumed that most of the inhabitants had perished, such was the nature of this biblical storm as suggested by the Beeb.

Stuff like this reaffirms why I steer clear of most things BBC-related.

[richie99]

rovermorris999 said:

As the 'pause' continues perhaps we need a new name for those who keep espousing the value and accuracy of the models. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander so I propose 'data deniers' or DD's for short. Any better ideas?

Reality deniers?