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I thought it was great on the way in this morning. The BBC last night wittering on about the 2012 Olympic legacy not for filling it's dream and we all get less exercise than we did before. And there we have the whole working population of London on their bikes or in their best walking shoes.
It also is a great tool for us employers for working out those employees that are prepared to put in a bit of effort for the company. Those throwing a sicky will be remembered.
Great weather for it. Not to hot, not too cold. Did us all the world of good.
We need to see this one through and break these commmies once and for all. Before winter sets in when it won't be quite so pleasant. Let em strike, let em starve. These dinosaur union leaders need removing at some time so it might as well be now.
We'll fight em on the beaches, We'll fight em..............
It also is a great tool for us employers for working out those employees that are prepared to put in a bit of effort for the company. Those throwing a sicky will be remembered.
Great weather for it. Not to hot, not too cold. Did us all the world of good.
We need to see this one through and break these commmies once and for all. Before winter sets in when it won't be quite so pleasant. Let em strike, let em starve. These dinosaur union leaders need removing at some time so it might as well be now.
We'll fight em on the beaches, We'll fight em..............
Who am I?
- I demand change in my working conditions (and I'm happy to bypass employee protections which already exist in law)
- I resist change in my job
- I will dictate the terms of my role to my employer (as I know better how to run its business)
- I do not see the amount of holiday I receive as a benefit (more a necessity)
- If someone tells me to I will cause disruption to thousands of people and businesses in an attempt to get my way
Du1point8 said:
Surely that is discrimination that hard working people can't join as a tube driver as there has been no jobs advertised for many years, but the unions have said they want to hire many more people, so how is that possible or is it the secret hand shake club only that can play?
There are internal vacancy lists for people already employed by LUL.Want to drive a Tube train?
Simple - do as others have done and join the company at the bottom and work your way up.
Gain experience, show what you're capable of and bide your time just like all the other drivers have done.
Don't want to drive a Tube train?
Then simmer down.
Want to know what kicked this all off?
Simple - ask Boris to explain why he ignored all negotiation procedures when announcing the changes.
legzr1 said:
There are internal vacancy lists for people already employed by LUL.
Want to drive a Tube train?
Simple - do as others have done and join the company at the bottom and work your way up.
Gain experience, show what you're capable of and bide your time just like all the other drivers have done.
This is tongue in cheek isn't it ???Want to drive a Tube train?
Simple - do as others have done and join the company at the bottom and work your way up.
Gain experience, show what you're capable of and bide your time just like all the other drivers have done.
"gain experience, show what you're capable of" It's a train FFS. Less difficult than driving a car.
Nope clearly just cushy/ gravy train jobs for the boys that play by the union rules. Nothing less. I'm staggered this behaviour is still going on. It needs stopping.
Harry H said:
This is tongue in cheek isn't it ???
"gain experience, show what you're capable of" It's a train FFS. Less difficult than driving a car.
Nope clearly just cushy/ gravy train jobs for the boys that play by the union rules. Nothing less. I'm staggered this behaviour is still going on. It needs stopping.
I know quite a few fairly capable car drivers who've failed miserably at any one of the many steps, tests and exams on the route to being qualified train driver."gain experience, show what you're capable of" It's a train FFS. Less difficult than driving a car.
Nope clearly just cushy/ gravy train jobs for the boys that play by the union rules. Nothing less. I'm staggered this behaviour is still going on. It needs stopping.
Obviously you'd pass with flying colours - your lack of arrogance and expert handle on what the job entails makes you an ideal candidate.
Let me know how your application goes
legzr1 said:
There are internal vacancy lists for people already employed by LUL.
Want to drive a Tube train?
Simple - do as others have done and join the company at the bottom and work your way up.
Gain experience, show what you're capable of and bide your time just like all the other drivers have done.
If I want to be a tube driver, what do you need to go through first? What is working at the bottom and go up mean? Show me a link to the job I would need to get first?Want to drive a Tube train?
Simple - do as others have done and join the company at the bottom and work your way up.
Gain experience, show what you're capable of and bide your time just like all the other drivers have done.
Bide my time? So its not earned on anything other than time served and presumably being a union member?
So what you are saying is that the company is not getting the best people for the job (internal jobs only) and do you not think that a better public service could be offered by allowing the best of the best to apply?
Could it in fact be assumed that is this just a ploy to keep the unions in control, which would sound like trade union discrimination for not offering fair treatment of people in obtaining a job and not being a union member and hence only internal vacancies?
legzr1 said:
I know quite a few fairly capable car drivers who've failed miserably at any one of the many steps, tests and exams on the route to being qualified train driver.
Obviously you'd pass with flying colours - your lack of arrogance and expert handle on what the job entails makes you an ideal candidate.
Let me know how your application goes
You'll note that an application process. And a job. Are two separate things.Obviously you'd pass with flying colours - your lack of arrogance and expert handle on what the job entails makes you an ideal candidate.
Let me know how your application goes
Just because the application process is unnecessary hard in order to select the best applicants from the pool applying. It doesn't mean any of the applicants couldn't have done the job to a satisfactory level.
Du1point8 said:
If I want to be a tube driver, what do you need to go through first? What is working at the bottom and go up mean? Show me a link to the job I would need to get first?
Bide my time? So its not earned on anything other than time served and presumably being a union member?
So what you are saying is that the company is not getting the best people for the job (internal jobs only) and do you not think that a better public service could be offered by allowing the best of the best to apply?
It's not a closed shop though, it's totally subject to free market forces.Bide my time? So its not earned on anything other than time served and presumably being a union member?
So what you are saying is that the company is not getting the best people for the job (internal jobs only) and do you not think that a better public service could be offered by allowing the best of the best to apply?
Apparently.
roachcoach said:
Du1point8 said:
If I want to be a tube driver, what do you need to go through first? What is working at the bottom and go up mean? Show me a link to the job I would need to get first?
Bide my time? So its not earned on anything other than time served and presumably being a union member?
So what you are saying is that the company is not getting the best people for the job (internal jobs only) and do you not think that a better public service could be offered by allowing the best of the best to apply?
It's not a closed shop though, it's totally subject to free market forces.Bide my time? So its not earned on anything other than time served and presumably being a union member?
So what you are saying is that the company is not getting the best people for the job (internal jobs only) and do you not think that a better public service could be offered by allowing the best of the best to apply?
Apparently.
Maybe they only do cleaners jobs external so that they can say that?
Frybywire said:
Studio117 said:
Public sector scum.
The envy is strong in this one.There isn't a jealous bone in my body. Doing well for yourself should be celebrated.
I don't particularity bemoan what anyone gets paid.
They possess that same public sector attitude which f
king stinks like a rotten tick.legzr1 said:
I know quite a few fairly capable car drivers who've failed miserably at any one of the many steps, tests and exams on the route to being qualified train driver.
Obviously you'd pass with flying colours - your lack of arrogance and expert handle on what the job entails makes you an ideal candidate.
Let me know how your application goes
You've highlighted the problem yourself. I may be the most naturally talented train driver in the world but my application wouldn't get past base one because I haven't spent years in the union, or sweeping floors, or checking tickets. Obviously you'd pass with flying colours - your lack of arrogance and expert handle on what the job entails makes you an ideal candidate.
Let me know how your application goes
You should join the labour party (if you haven't already) they're really good at defending the indefensible.
What the public think of them.
http://tubestrike.impero.wtf
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http://tubestrike.impero.wtf
do NOT open at work... the IT sweary alarm will go off.
legzr1 said:
Want to drive a Tube train?
Simple - do as others have done and join the company at the bottom and work your way up.
Gain experience, show what you're capable of and bide your time just like all the other drivers have done.
Because working the gates and telling people to stand back because there is a train approaching is an ideal way to learn the skills required to be a train driver? Simple - do as others have done and join the company at the bottom and work your way up.
Gain experience, show what you're capable of and bide your time just like all the other drivers have done.
Du1point8 said:
If I want to be a tube driver, what do you need to go through first? What is working at the bottom and go up mean? Show me a link to the job I would need to get first?
Bide my time? So its not earned on anything other than time served and presumably being a union member?
So what you are saying is that the company is not getting the best people for the job (internal jobs only) and do you not think that a better public service could be offered by allowing the best of the best to apply?
Could it in fact be assumed that is this just a ploy to keep the unions in control, which would sound like trade union discrimination for not offering fair treatment of people in obtaining a job and not being a union member and hence only internal vacancies?
You want a blue car.Bide my time? So its not earned on anything other than time served and presumably being a union member?
So what you are saying is that the company is not getting the best people for the job (internal jobs only) and do you not think that a better public service could be offered by allowing the best of the best to apply?
Could it in fact be assumed that is this just a ploy to keep the unions in control, which would sound like trade union discrimination for not offering fair treatment of people in obtaining a job and not being a union member and hence only internal vacancies?
Definitely blue.
Nothing else will do.
Could that mean you'd be happy with red?
Could that in fact mean green would suffice ?
So what you're saying is black would be fine?
White car it is then.
Go to the TFL vacancy list - choose a job on the list, apply, be successful, show you can handle the shift work and safety critical nature. Prove your worth. Vacancy appears for driver - apply with the others, sit the tests and take it from there.
Anything you're struggling with?
KTF said:
Because working the gates and telling people to stand back because there is a train approaching is an ideal way to learn the skills required to be a train driver?
Yes, exactly that.Well done.
Top of the class.
Your application is currently in the sift process.
Thanks for your interest in TFL.
This is what a tube driver says the strike is actually about.
Buzz Feed article said:
“It’s not good for your health, it’s not good for your life in general,” said Roberts. “It takes a toll on your sleeping, on your eating.”
The RMT spokesperson agreed, saying that prolonged night shift work raises workers’ risk of various diseases, including heart disease and cancer, a claim that is backed up by scientific evidence.
The RMT spokesperson agreed, saying that prolonged night shift work raises workers’ risk of various diseases, including heart disease and cancer, a claim that is backed up by scientific evidence.
legzr1 said:
You want a blue car.
Definitely blue.
Nothing else will do.
Could that mean you'd be happy with red?
Could that in fact mean green would suffice ?
So what you're saying is black would be fine?
White car it is then.
Go to the TFL vacancy list - choose a job on the list, apply, be successful, show you can handle the shift work and safety critical nature. Prove your worth. Vacancy appears for driver - apply with the others, sit the tests and take it from there.
Anything you're struggling with?
So you're saying that the same should apply for Airline Pilots then ?Definitely blue.
Nothing else will do.
Could that mean you'd be happy with red?
Could that in fact mean green would suffice ?
So what you're saying is black would be fine?
White car it is then.
Go to the TFL vacancy list - choose a job on the list, apply, be successful, show you can handle the shift work and safety critical nature. Prove your worth. Vacancy appears for driver - apply with the others, sit the tests and take it from there.
Anything you're struggling with?
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