Ban smacking, children's tsar urges
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Randy Winkman said:
WinstonWolf said:
Randy Winkman said:
chris watton said:
Randy Winkman said:
Is it carried out by people that weren't hit by their parents?
My parents used to hit me, and I had the cane at school, yet I have never once hit any of our kids. However, I never have because I could never bring myself to (cowardly) and also, I would hate for my children to grow up harbouring the same feelings I had for my parents for the minor abuse I suffered.
I feel that childhood free from being physically punished is good for pretty much everyone. 
ds running round on mopeds throwing acid at all and sundry.
El stovey said:
WinstonWolf said:
We're talking about smacking, not hitting.
What's the difference? WinstonWolf said:
El stovey said:
WinstonWolf said:
We're talking about smacking, not hitting.
What's the difference? You only snack your kids because you can't be arsed learning other methods to teach them stuff, or you've lost control of yourself.
Are you seriously suggesting hitting children as a good way to teach them about the world? What's the psychological process behind smacking them? Are you teaching them by hurting them or by humiliating them?
What is it about smacking that you think makes your children learn?
El stovey said:
WinstonWolf said:
El stovey said:
WinstonWolf said:
We're talking about smacking, not hitting.
What's the difference? You only snack your kids because you can't be arsed learning other methods to teach them stuff, or you've lost control of yourself.
Are you seriously suggesting hitting children as a good way to teach them about the world? What's the psychological process behind smacking them? Are you teaching them by hurting them or by humiliating them?
What is it about smacking that you think makes your children learn?
We have different words because... They're different things. f
king amazing that.You haven't a f
king clue about my parenting methods (both kids doing fantastically thanks) but they worked. Smacking is one of many methods of discipline, if they're about to put their hand in the fire that's a perfect time to smack.Have you been in a school lately? f
k me, the teachers haven't got a chance because little Johnny knows all about his rights but hasn't got a clue about his responsibilities.Thankfully judgemental idiots like you don't get to make the rules.
El stovey said:
WinstonWolf said:
El stovey said:
WinstonWolf said:
We're talking about smacking, not hitting.
What's the difference? You only snack your kids because you can't be arsed learning other methods to teach them stuff, or you've lost control of yourself.
Are you seriously suggesting hitting children as a good way to teach them about the world? What's the psychological process behind smacking them? Are you teaching them by hurting them or by humiliating them?
What is it about smacking that you think makes your children learn?
s2art said:
It works? (particularly on v young pre-communication kids). If a young child pokes his finger in an electrical output, then a light slap (which will not hurt) is an excellent way of pointing out that its not safe. Just about how the bulk of the animal kingdom rears its young.
You could just say no or move them away from the danger or put a socket guard on the plug, using reinforcement. I know it's easier just to hit them though. So you would only smack pre communication (whatever that is) children. Because it's somehow natural? You smack them but it doesn't hurt? It's the noise of the snack or something they don't like? Once they can talk, you would have learned some other methods?
El stovey said:
s2art said:
It works? (particularly on v young pre-communication kids). If a young child pokes his finger in an electrical output, then a light slap (which will not hurt) is an excellent way of pointing out that its not safe. Just about how the bulk of the animal kingdom rears its young.
You could just say no or move them away from the danger or put a socket guard on the plug, using reinforcement. I know it's easier just to hit them though. So you would only smack pre communication (whatever that is) children. Because it's somehow natural? You smack them but it doesn't hurt? It's the noise of the snack or something they don't like? Once they can talk, you would have learned some other methods?
WinstonWolf said:
We have different words because... They're different things. f
king amazing that.You haven't a f
king clue about my parenting methods (both kids doing fantastically thanks) but they worked. Smacking is one of many methods of discipline, if they're about to put their hand in the fire that's a perfect time to smack.Have you been in a school lately? f
k me, the teachers haven't got a chance because little Johnny knows all about his rights but hasn't got a clue about his responsibilities.Thankfully judgemental idiots like you don't get to make the rules.
I couldn't care less if you have to smack your kids. I was just trying to see if you had any understanding of the psychology behind your teaching methods.
So why does smacking your kids help them learn? What are they associating with being smacked that makes them learn?
If your kids go to a school where other kids don't know about responsibility I can only suggest you find a better school. If kids don't know about responsibility, it's nothing to do with whether the parents smacked them or not.
If you're honest, I bet you're a bit ashamed you smacked your kids. You either ran out of ideas or lost your rag.
WinstonWolf said:
fblm said:
WinstonWolf said:
It's worked well for the little bds running round on mopeds throwing acid at all and sundry.
I'll wager they were regularly beaten/assaulted/abused not given the occasional smack.ds running round on mopeds throwing acid at all and sundry.I think the answer to this thread is that every child is different and needs different things from a parent. Most parents when they start out have very fixed ideas of what good parenting is. But they don't realise that a newborn has a personality from day one and its interaction with you will change you as a parent as much as you change them as a child. It means peoples personal experience of their own child is very limiting in terms of them making a good decision about ALL children. I can tell you from personal experience that more smacking happened as a result of the governments law on school attendance being the responsibility of the parent than any other campaign they ever did.
Having a cast iron idea either way is probably unhealthy. Smacking seems such an emotive term its not really worth continuing a discussion on it.
Realistically...How society would police it if it was banned probably wouldn't change from where we are today. Smacking would be deemed to be unreasonable by law but would still go on. After all what would you do to a parent of a child who smacked and how would you find out?
The way we care for our child in state institutions is only narrowly better it seems than leaving them drug abusing parents. If you are a social worker and see that sort of daily trauma in a childs life what are you really going to do to a parent where the occasional smack is their biggest transgression. Society doesn't have the resources or desire to implement any sort of zero tolerance.
Possibly the newspapers do until people get bored of reading it.
On a person al note I can remember most of the times I smacked my boy. It usually started with me looking at my wife so that we were both in agreement. Even if there was a law against smacking, and she and I were both in agreement I would feel justified to break that law for the benefit of the child.
El stovey said:
WinstonWolf said:
We have different words because... They're different things. f
king amazing that.You haven't a f
king clue about my parenting methods (both kids doing fantastically thanks) but they worked. Smacking is one of many methods of discipline, if they're about to put their hand in the fire that's a perfect time to smack.Have you been in a school lately? f
k me, the teachers haven't got a chance because little Johnny knows all about his rights but hasn't got a clue about his responsibilities.Thankfully judgemental idiots like you don't get to make the rules.
I couldn't care less if you have to smack your kids. I was just trying to see if you had any understanding of the psychology behind your teaching methods.
So why does smacking your kids help them learn? What are they associating with being smacked that makes them learn?
If your kids go to a school where other kids don't know about responsibility I can only suggest you find a better school. If kids don't know about responsibility, it's nothing to do with whether the parents smacked them or not.
If you're honest, I bet you're a bit ashamed you smacked your kids. You either ran out of ideas or lost your rag.
k it, I might even get a badge made 
Don't judge my temper by your own standards.
fblm said:
It's interesting that in my very limited experience, hands down the worst behaved kid in my daughters preschool is the boy with the shoulder length hair, the trendy wendy vegan coffee shop owning, 'modern' parents who think facebook is a medium for telling everyone else how to bring up kids. They drive a Nissan Cube too ffs.
Top marks for dragging the theme back to cars . I mainly drive V8's so I'm likely to smackfblm said:
El stovey said:
You're just describing different kinds of hitting. Smacking is hitting. It's Just a word you use to make it not sound as bad.
Are you seriously incapable of distinguishing between hitting someone and a little smack you might give a 2 year old? Get a grip.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff