Are men afraid of transgender women?
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p2c said:
RottenIcons said:
mph1977 said:
RottenIcons said:
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Positive outcomes, even the words themselves are puke inducing and what's worse disingenuous, who judges these positive outcomes? If turning a child into a self-questioning partial hermaphrodite or worse is a 'positive outcome' then damn it I don't want that sort of positive anywhere near me or my kids, thanks.
negative outcomes with regard to gender identity are often measured in pine boxes or the number of cnaldes at TDoR ... occasionally they are measured in 'straitjackets' and life changing physical injuries ...Positive outcomes, even the words themselves are puke inducing and what's worse disingenuous, who judges these positive outcomes? If turning a child into a self-questioning partial hermaphrodite or worse is a 'positive outcome' then damn it I don't want that sort of positive anywhere near me or my kids, thanks.
You see before the filthy minded came on the scene such boxes built for these poor souls were few and far between, now, courtesy of filth and wierdos there are more of them than there ever were.
So tell me pilgrim, what can we all conclude from that fact of life?
So saying there wasn't a problem before is not true, its just many many people are/were being buried with no one knowing the real reasons they took their own life.
Your 'awareness' idea is dismissed out of hand as utterly ridiculous.
There was a problem before, there always has been people born with not the full itinerary of attributes of their physical sex. But it only really becomes an issue at the point of luxation, and it is those poor b'nighted people we have to help, but we can't do that if all and sundry use the precious resource, this entire idea of there being a scale (although right in principle) is an excuse used to engender more cases to study. The reality is that until the point of luxation it is up to society and parents to provide proper guidance toward the definitive acceptance of their child's sex.
Your last para is a typical example of spending the same money multiple times as all left leaning people do, in your case the money are the 'vague' deaths of unfortunates and you lay a claim for your cause, just as every irresponsible half-wit does for their particular cause celebre.
Your entire stance is both preposterous and untenable in equal measure and I think you can be dismissed out of hand now as a rebel without any real cause. In short you have been found wanting and unable to form a cogent reason for the continuance of the disgusting practice of confusing the young and impressionable.
RottenIcons said:
Awareness? Do you think that this was there at any time in the past in these numbers and all these deaths and mutilations let alone the insane angst being also present but hidden? Such a mass 'savile-esque scale masquerade' would have been known about and documented.
Your 'awareness' idea is dismissed out of hand as utterly ridiculous.
There was a problem before, there always has been people born with not the full itinerary of attributes of their physical sex. But it only really becomes an issue at the point of luxation, and it is those poor b'nighted people we have to help, but we can't do that if all and sundry use the precious resource, this entire idea of there being a scale (although right in principle) is an excuse used to engender more cases to study. The reality is that until the point of luxation it is up to society and parents to provide proper guidance toward the definitive acceptance of their child's sex.
Your last para is a typical example of spending the same money multiple times as all left leaning people do, in your case the money are the 'vague' deaths of unfortunates and you lay a claim for your cause, just as every irresponsible half-wit does for their particular cause celebre.
Your entire stance is both preposterous and untenable in equal measure and I think you can be dismissed out of hand now as a rebel without any real cause. In short you have been found wanting and unable to form a cogent reason for the continuance of the disgusting practice of confusing the young and impressionable.
Well you seem to be of the opinion that the prevalence is because society has allowed some to influence others into becoming trans. i.e. its a learnt or programmed condition. If that is such a case would you care to explain how, if it is so simple and easy to turn someone trans, why it has been found that psychological methods to accept one's birth sex are not an effective or even possible form of treatment?Your 'awareness' idea is dismissed out of hand as utterly ridiculous.
There was a problem before, there always has been people born with not the full itinerary of attributes of their physical sex. But it only really becomes an issue at the point of luxation, and it is those poor b'nighted people we have to help, but we can't do that if all and sundry use the precious resource, this entire idea of there being a scale (although right in principle) is an excuse used to engender more cases to study. The reality is that until the point of luxation it is up to society and parents to provide proper guidance toward the definitive acceptance of their child's sex.
Your last para is a typical example of spending the same money multiple times as all left leaning people do, in your case the money are the 'vague' deaths of unfortunates and you lay a claim for your cause, just as every irresponsible half-wit does for their particular cause celebre.
Your entire stance is both preposterous and untenable in equal measure and I think you can be dismissed out of hand now as a rebel without any real cause. In short you have been found wanting and unable to form a cogent reason for the continuance of the disgusting practice of confusing the young and impressionable.
RottenIcons said:
Awareness? Do you think that this was there at any time in the past in these numbers and all these deaths and mutilations let alone the insane angst being also present but hidden? Such a mass 'savile-esque scale masquerade' would have been known about and documented.
Your 'awareness' idea is dismissed out of hand as utterly ridiculous.
There was a problem before, there always has been people born with not the full itinerary of attributes of their physical sex. But it only really becomes an issue at the point of luxation, and it is those poor b'nighted people we have to help, but we can't do that if all and sundry use the precious resource, this entire idea of there being a scale (although right in principle) is an excuse used to engender more cases to study. The reality is that until the point of luxation it is up to society and parents to provide proper guidance toward the definitive acceptance of their child's sex.
Your last para is a typical example of spending the same money multiple times as all left leaning people do, in your case the money are the 'vague' deaths of unfortunates and you lay a claim for your cause, just as every irresponsible half-wit does for their particular cause celebre.
Your entire stance is both preposterous and untenable in equal measure and I think you can be dismissed out of hand now as a rebel without any real cause. In short you have been found wanting and unable to form a cogent reason for the continuance of the disgusting practice of confusing the young and impressionable.
When you use the word 'luxation' I presume you aren't talking about a bone displacement. So what are you meaning?Your 'awareness' idea is dismissed out of hand as utterly ridiculous.
There was a problem before, there always has been people born with not the full itinerary of attributes of their physical sex. But it only really becomes an issue at the point of luxation, and it is those poor b'nighted people we have to help, but we can't do that if all and sundry use the precious resource, this entire idea of there being a scale (although right in principle) is an excuse used to engender more cases to study. The reality is that until the point of luxation it is up to society and parents to provide proper guidance toward the definitive acceptance of their child's sex.
Your last para is a typical example of spending the same money multiple times as all left leaning people do, in your case the money are the 'vague' deaths of unfortunates and you lay a claim for your cause, just as every irresponsible half-wit does for their particular cause celebre.
Your entire stance is both preposterous and untenable in equal measure and I think you can be dismissed out of hand now as a rebel without any real cause. In short you have been found wanting and unable to form a cogent reason for the continuance of the disgusting practice of confusing the young and impressionable.
I can't believe that this thread has reached 37 pages and that people are genuinely arguing that 4yr olds have a valid opinion on what gender they should be. Do these people not remember being 4 or have they never met a child? Children of that age have absolutely no idea what gender even means beyond perhaps the presence/absence of a willy, there is simply no such thing as a transgender pre-schooler.
I'm all for being inclusive and entirely open minded about peoples preferences but confusing kids with this rubbish helps nobody and I would regard it as at the very least irresponsible and quite possibly tantamount to child abuse.
I'm all for being inclusive and entirely open minded about peoples preferences but confusing kids with this rubbish helps nobody and I would regard it as at the very least irresponsible and quite possibly tantamount to child abuse.
p2c said:
RottenIcons said:
Awareness? Do you think that this was there at any time in the past in these numbers and all these deaths and mutilations let alone the insane angst being also present but hidden? Such a mass 'savile-esque scale masquerade' would have been known about and documented.
Your 'awareness' idea is dismissed out of hand as utterly ridiculous.
There was a problem before, there always has been people born with not the full itinerary of attributes of their physical sex. But it only really becomes an issue at the point of luxation, and it is those poor b'nighted people we have to help, but we can't do that if all and sundry use the precious resource, this entire idea of there being a scale (although right in principle) is an excuse used to engender more cases to study. The reality is that until the point of luxation it is up to society and parents to provide proper guidance toward the definitive acceptance of their child's sex.
Your last para is a typical example of spending the same money multiple times as all left leaning people do, in your case the money are the 'vague' deaths of unfortunates and you lay a claim for your cause, just as every irresponsible half-wit does for their particular cause celebre.
Your entire stance is both preposterous and untenable in equal measure and I think you can be dismissed out of hand now as a rebel without any real cause. In short you have been found wanting and unable to form a cogent reason for the continuance of the disgusting practice of confusing the young and impressionable.
Well you seem to be of the opinion that the prevalence is because society has allowed some to influence others into becoming trans. i.e. its a learnt or programmed condition. If that is such a case would you care to explain how, if it is so simple and easy to turn someone trans, why it has been found that psychological methods to accept one's birth sex are not an effective or even possible form of treatment?Your 'awareness' idea is dismissed out of hand as utterly ridiculous.
There was a problem before, there always has been people born with not the full itinerary of attributes of their physical sex. But it only really becomes an issue at the point of luxation, and it is those poor b'nighted people we have to help, but we can't do that if all and sundry use the precious resource, this entire idea of there being a scale (although right in principle) is an excuse used to engender more cases to study. The reality is that until the point of luxation it is up to society and parents to provide proper guidance toward the definitive acceptance of their child's sex.
Your last para is a typical example of spending the same money multiple times as all left leaning people do, in your case the money are the 'vague' deaths of unfortunates and you lay a claim for your cause, just as every irresponsible half-wit does for their particular cause celebre.
Your entire stance is both preposterous and untenable in equal measure and I think you can be dismissed out of hand now as a rebel without any real cause. In short you have been found wanting and unable to form a cogent reason for the continuance of the disgusting practice of confusing the young and impressionable.
Your last sentence is full of misappropriations, parenting has been since the very start a psychological process and until these sick individuals got their hooks into family life it worked rather well at raising children that finally lead to us all being here.
RottenIcons said:
It is only simple because it is a base process, it is not simple to achieve as it requires a society that allows the sick access to the vulnerable and legitimises the abuse under the cover/flag/auspices of only doing good.
Your last sentence is full of misappropriations, parenting has been since the very start a psychological process and until these sick individuals got their hooks into family life it worked rather well at raising children that finally lead to us all being here.
Well for your conspiracy theory to hold water I would think it would require a level of support from the general population that the outrage on here, and in response to the Brighton and Hove BC questions, would seem to suggest it doesn't have.Your last sentence is full of misappropriations, parenting has been since the very start a psychological process and until these sick individuals got their hooks into family life it worked rather well at raising children that finally lead to us all being here.
HRL said:
37 pages? WTF has happened to PH.
What is it with some people trying to persuade the majority that transgender is normal. There's nothing wrong with it but it's not f
king normal, is it.
I suspect you have alighted on one of the key problems: language, and the meanings people infer from others' use of certain words, or the implication some people load into their own choice of words. There is indeed nothing wrong with being transgender; some people are transgender and I should imagine for many it's a pretty confusing, unsettling and (judging from some of the comments on here) misunderstood condition. Too many seem to regard "not normal" as in some way "not right", as opposed to "not common".What is it with some people trying to persuade the majority that transgender is normal. There's nothing wrong with it but it's not f
king normal, is it.
RottenIcons said:
No conflation, I separated the phases quite clearly. The sexuality and gender separation schtick is a falsehood, they are inextricably linked, so you start from the wrong place as a famous Irish bucolic once said
Not in my experience. I have many friends who love members of their own sex, and two friends who have changed genders, and still love the original (and opposite) sex to which they are attracted.My observation, and it is just that, and nothing more. Is from my kids school. 99% of the kids are strongly gender aligned both physically and psychologically. There's one kid however who quite clearly isn't. This child looks like a boy, talks like a boy but is currently a 'girl'. In the school you have to be either a boy or a girl. The whole system is setup like that, you can't be a bit of both. Except this child clearly is.
I think you could bang on to the kids all day long month in month out about gender issues and at the end of it the same 99% would be definite boys or girls.
It's clearly not practical for the school ( given funding, resources etc ) to come up with a solution just for this child. But is it so bad to educate the children as a whole that there are some kids who don't fit into the category that most do?
Clearly this kid is going to struggle with their identity, so if a bit of general education for the whole class makes them feel more accepted and the class more tolerant of difference. What's the issue?
And anyone on here knows full well I'm not exactly the lilly handed liberal type. I'm currently busy trying to execute rabbits, build a house and run a business.
I think you could bang on to the kids all day long month in month out about gender issues and at the end of it the same 99% would be definite boys or girls.
It's clearly not practical for the school ( given funding, resources etc ) to come up with a solution just for this child. But is it so bad to educate the children as a whole that there are some kids who don't fit into the category that most do?
Clearly this kid is going to struggle with their identity, so if a bit of general education for the whole class makes them feel more accepted and the class more tolerant of difference. What's the issue?
And anyone on here knows full well I'm not exactly the lilly handed liberal type. I'm currently busy trying to execute rabbits, build a house and run a business.
Europa1 said:
HRL said:
37 pages? WTF has happened to PH.
What is it with some people trying to persuade the majority that transgender is normal. There's nothing wrong with it but it's not fking normal, is it.
I suspect you have alighted on one of the key problems: language, and the meanings people infer from others' use of certain words, or the implication some people load into their own choice of words. There is indeed nothing wrong with being transgender; some people are transgender and I should imagine for many it's a pretty confusing, unsettling and (judging from some of the comments on here) misunderstood condition. Too many seem to regard "not normal" as in some way "not right", as opposed to "not common".What is it with some people trying to persuade the majority that transgender is normal. There's nothing wrong with it but it's not f
king normal, is it.
Not normal doesn't mean wrong, it just means it lies outwith the norm.
TurboHatchback said:
I can't believe that this thread has reached 37 pages and that people are genuinely arguing that 4yr olds have a valid opinion on what gender they should be. Do these people not remember being 4 or have they never met a child? Children of that age have absolutely no idea what gender even means beyond perhaps the presence/absence of a willy, there is simply no such thing as a transgender pre-schooler.
I'm all for being inclusive and entirely open minded about peoples preferences but confusing kids with this rubbish helps nobody and I would regard it as at the very least irresponsible and quite possibly tantamount to child abuse.
I agree and I'm trans . . . transbike. I keep thinking Harley but I'd feel a prune in leather tassels and chaps, so think of a sports bike but I'd feel just as bad in track leathers now . . so find I'm happy with my old bike. Take away the choice and everything settles down again.I'm all for being inclusive and entirely open minded about peoples preferences but confusing kids with this rubbish helps nobody and I would regard it as at the very least irresponsible and quite possibly tantamount to child abuse.
Halb said:
RottenIcons said:
No conflation, I separated the phases quite clearly. The sexuality and gender separation schtick is a falsehood, they are inextricably linked, so you start from the wrong place as a famous Irish bucolic once said
Not in my experience. I have many friends who love members of their own sex, and two friends who have changed genders, and still love the original (and opposite) sex to which they are attracted.as halb points out , his (or preferred pronounn) lived experience shows this to be the case.
Slightly off topic but for centuries young boys wore dresses, often until they were older than 4, that didn't stop them becoming rather more masculine than today's standards.
As on so many issues South Park skewered this best. If anyone hasn't seen it I suggest they check out the episode where Kyle has a "negroplasty" (to be a basketball player) and his dad has a Dolpinoplasty (as he has always felt like a Dolphin trapped in a man's body)
If gender isn't set by nature and evolution then I have been watching different nature programmes to everyone else. In today's more enlightened times however your gender doesn't define what you do and how you live your life (with the exception that men cant bear children of course)
As on so many issues South Park skewered this best. If anyone hasn't seen it I suggest they check out the episode where Kyle has a "negroplasty" (to be a basketball player) and his dad has a Dolpinoplasty (as he has always felt like a Dolphin trapped in a man's body)
If gender isn't set by nature and evolution then I have been watching different nature programmes to everyone else. In today's more enlightened times however your gender doesn't define what you do and how you live your life (with the exception that men cant bear children of course)
p2c said:
TTwiggy said:
The comedian I mentioned is very much a 'current' feminist. How do you feel about her exclusion from a forum for the reason I gave?
I don't think we know enough about the situation you describe to pass judgement on what may have been appropriate, however education may have been better than exclusion, but again we don't know what happened and in what context.k me rigid it is communism re-born! Let's send them for re-education until they toe the party line. What utter, utter bks.... are maybe not if that is offensiveirocfan said:
p2c said:
TTwiggy said:
The comedian I mentioned is very much a 'current' feminist. How do you feel about her exclusion from a forum for the reason I gave?
I don't think we know enough about the situation you describe to pass judgement on what may have been appropriate, however education may have been better than exclusion, but again we don't know what happened and in what context.k me rigid it is communism re-born! Let's send them for re-education until they toe the party line. What utter, utter bks.... are maybe not if that is offensive
irrational over reaction much! explains you attitude to new concepts though.
JagLover said:
If gender isn't set by nature and evolution then I have been watching different nature programmes to everyone else.
Indeed. But that's entirely consistent with the possibility that a birth defect can leave you with a masculinised brain in a feminised body, and vice-versa. The idea that being psychologically a boy or a girl is entirely something that you are taught by society based on the sort of genitalia you have is the thing that's inconsistent with the evidence of other species.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff