UKIP - The Future - Volume 2

[Zod]

WinstonWolf said:

Mrr T said:

Mr Snap said:

Mrr T said:

Yes. I am saying UKIP has no idea how the UK would leave the EU and still continue to function.

I'd have stopped at not knowing how.


Reminds me of the old surgeon joke - "The operation was a great success Mrs Smith. Unfortunately, your husband failed to survive it...".

I used the words specifically because most of the kipper I have dealt with just insist all you need to do to leave the EU is renounce the various treaties. Which is of cause legally correct. However, the consequences are unthinkable.

If you can't think of any consequences then you might as well vote to leave

You do know we pretty much ruled the planet on our own long before the EU was a mere pipe-dream.

Did you know that long before we evolved, dinosaurs walked the Earth for millions of years?

[WinstonWolf]

Guam said:

Zod said:

Did you know that long before we evolved, dinosaurs walked the Earth for millions of years?

My sympathies that you are the last of your breed

[Mrr T]

Scuffers said:

Mrr T said:

steveT350C said:

Just to clarify, are you saying that UKIP do not have any idea on how the UK would leave the EU?

Yes. I am saying UKIP has no idea how the UK would leave the EU and still continue to function.

Based on exactly what?

Reading the UKIP manifestos, web site, speeches from the great leader etc etc, However, if you know where the plan is please tell me.

[Mrr T]

WinstonWolf said:

If you can't think of any consequences then you might as well vote to leave

The thing is I want to leave but if we are to win a referendum then we need a coherent plan. One that will allow the transition to take place without significant costs to the EU economy. The absence of such a plan from UKIP shows its weakness as a party.

[steveT350C]

Mrr T said:

Scuffers said:

Mrr T said:

steveT350C said:

Just to clarify, are you saying that UKIP do not have any idea on how the UK would leave the EU?

Yes. I am saying UKIP has no idea how the UK would leave the EU and still continue to function.

Based on exactly what?

Reading the UKIP manifestos, web site, speeches from the great leader etc etc, However, if you know where the plan is please tell me.

The full UKIP manifesto will be launched in September. In the meantime, here is a short discussion about your valid concerns

http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/far...

[Scuffers]

Mrr T said:

Reading the UKIP manifestos, web site, speeches from the great leader etc etc, However, if you know where the plan is please tell me.

Well, out of interest, do you expect to see a detailed blow by blow by manual on how to leave the EU in a manifesto?

[FiF]

Off topic, nothing to do with UKIP but well worth a read. Slight health warning, clearly it's connected to the publication of a book

Too much democracy? Time for 21st Century Democracy.

[steveT350C]

Doug Carswell on the European arrest warrant...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/douglascarswellm...

that was being debated in the Commons today by not many MPs

http://order-order.com/2014/07/10/16-mps-turn-up-t...

[don4l]

toppstuff said:

Given that UKIP cannot actually do anything practical to enable the UK to leave the EU

This is just plain wrong.

The only reason that Cameron has promised a referendum is the huge success that UKIP has enjoyed recently. If UKIP falls back, then Cameron will quietly drop the promise.

Now, more than ever, it is vital that we continue to show our support for UKIP.

[steveT350C]

don4l said:

toppstuff said:

Given that UKIP cannot actually do anything practical to enable the UK to leave the EU

This is just plain wrong.

The only reason that Cameron has promised a referendum is the huge success that UKIP has enjoyed recently. If UKIP falls back, then Cameron will quietly drop the promise.

Now, more than ever, it is vital that we continue to show our support for UKIP.

Forced live debates with Nick Clegg? No, UKIP are unable to do anything practical, they have no power or influence.

[Mrr T]

steveT350C said:

The full UKIP manifesto will be launched in September. In the meantime, here is a short discussion about your valid concerns

http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/far...

Have you actually read that link?

Its about the work of Dr North at Eureferendum. Someone who was dumped by your great leader. Dr North is producing important research on EU exit but it is nothing to do with UKIP. Indeed, he is often attacked by UKIP posters who object to his lack of reverence for the great leader.

The only element of Dr North's work accepted by the great leader is that exit is likely to require notice under article 50. However, he even manages caveats that.

When and if UKIP start putting some serious work into how we leave the EU I will listen to them and consider voting for them but at the moment they only remind me of the SNP all bluff and no facts.

[Mr Snap]

steveT350C said:

The full UKIP manifesto will be launched in September. In the meantime, here is a short discussion about your valid concerns

http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/far...

A 'short discussion' that points to this blog for more info - http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84163

A longer article which lays out the sheer complexity of what is required to exit using Article 50. The gist of it seems to be "it'll be very, very, hard and so we'd best stay tied in to most of the extant European treaties until we can 'er somehow' find our way out". It sounds like a bloke with no arms trying to cop a feel of his own arse.

Anyway, in a box at the top of the blog, it there's an announcement to launch the £100,000 IEA Brexit Prize; "to be awarded to the best blueprint for the UK after the EU". And if you follow the link for more information at the bottom of that box, it takes you to here - http://eureferendum.com/images/000a%20IEA-016%20Br...

Then if you follow the link at the bottom of that box.....

Can't manage a basic blog but reckon they can lead us through the Brexit.


Unbelievable.

[steveT350C]

Mrr T said:

steveT350C said:

The full UKIP manifesto will be launched in September. In the meantime, here is a short discussion about your valid concerns

http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/far...

Have you actually read that link?

Its about the work of Dr North at Eureferendum. Someone who was dumped by your great leader. Dr North is producing important research on EU exit but it is nothing to do with UKIP. Indeed, he is often attacked by UKIP posters who object to his lack of reverence for the great leader.

The only element of Dr North's work accepted by the great leader is that exit is likely to require notice under article 50. However, he even manages caveats that.

When and if UKIP start putting some serious work into how we leave the EU I will listen to them and consider voting for them but at the moment they only remind me of the SNP all bluff and no facts.

Yes I have read it, I thought you might find it interesting that's all. Sorry I bothered.

[Mrr T]

Scuffers said:

Mrr T said:

Reading the UKIP manifestos, web site, speeches from the great leader etc etc, However, if you know where the plan is please tell me.

Well, out of interest, do you expect to see a detailed blow by blow by manual on how to leave the EU in a manifesto?

Maybe not in a manifesto but some where on the UKIP web site, some UKIP publication, some where at least. As it is UKIP is like the SNP all bluster and no facts.

[steveT350C]

Here is the bit I found interesting,

The next step is for UKIP to start work on understanding what issues need to be negotiated and establishing the position the UK needs to take to get what it wants out of the negotiation. It needs to engage people who understand what needs to be negotiated to ensure the UK is not adversely affected by withdrawal and formulate the approach to follow. This has two benefits

UKIP can genuinely declare to voters that it has a plan for leaving that does not harm UK interests
UKIP can assure the business community that after exit, companies will not lose access to their European markets or ability to hire skilled employees from Europe
Only a high level explanation needs to be given, to give people confidence that there is a detailed plan behind the summary that covers the areas that concern people. Polls have shown consistently that the greatest fear people have of Brexit are negative economic impacts. The Europhiles have played on this remorselessly with spin, conjecture and outright lies to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt. But if UKIP steps up, this FUD can be countered and more people will be reassured to vote to leave the EU should a referendum take place.

The comments made in a few moments from a stage in London might just now trigger a fightback by the Eurosceptic side, one that is backed with truth and evidence that destroys the arguments of the Europhiles. This could be a seminal moment in the Brexit campaign. It is now up to UKIP to use its platform to push this up the agenda for the benefit of the whole Eurosceptic side.-

Perhaps, just maybe, hope has been restored. We have to wait and see if this Damascene conversion by Farage becomes more than words.=/

[Mrr T]

steveT350C said:

Mrr T said:

steveT350C said:

The full UKIP manifesto will be launched in September. In the meantime, here is a short discussion about your valid concerns

http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/far...

Have you actually read that link?

Its about the work of Dr North at Eureferendum. Someone who was dumped by your great leader. Dr North is producing important research on EU exit but it is nothing to do with UKIP. Indeed, he is often attacked by UKIP posters who object to his lack of reverence for the great leader.

The only element of Dr North's work accepted by the great leader is that exit is likely to require notice under article 50. However, he even manages caveats that.

When and if UKIP start putting some serious work into how we leave the EU I will listen to them and consider voting for them but at the moment they only remind me of the SNP all bluff and no facts.

Yes I have read it, I thought you might find it interesting that's all. Sorry I bothered.

Yes its interesting.

But why link to a site which has nothing to do with UKIP when I have asked for the UKIP plan to leave the EU.

I know why because UKIP has no plan on how to leave the EU.

[steveT350C]

Mrr T said:

steveT350C said:

Mrr T said:

steveT350C said:

The full UKIP manifesto will be launched in September. In the meantime, here is a short discussion about your valid concerns

http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/far...

Have you actually read that link?

Its about the work of Dr North at Eureferendum. Someone who was dumped by your great leader. Dr North is producing important research on EU exit but it is nothing to do with UKIP. Indeed, he is often attacked by UKIP posters who object to his lack of reverence for the great leader.

The only element of Dr North's work accepted by the great leader is that exit is likely to require notice under article 50. However, he even manages caveats that.

When and if UKIP start putting some serious work into how we leave the EU I will listen to them and consider voting for them but at the moment they only remind me of the SNP all bluff and no facts.

Yes I have read it, I thought you might find it interesting that's all. Sorry I bothered.

Yes its interesting.

But why link to a site which has nothing to do with UKIP when I have asked for the UKIP plan to leave the EU.

I know why because UKIP has no plan on how to leave the EU.

I posted it because I thought it was interesting, so did you apparently.

I expect they do have a plan, but I cannot produce it for you here. That said, I will see what I can do for you because, as I agreed earlier, it is a very valid concern.

[Mr Snap]

steveT350C said:

Yes I have read it, I thought you might find it interesting that's all. Sorry I bothered.

No need to apologise, it's only the second time in two days you've drawn our attentions to the musings of a nutter. (Have you looked up Nick Ridley's Herald of Free Enterprise joke yet?)

Keep up the good work. Fine job you're doing there....

[Mrr T]

steveT350C said:

I posted it because I thought it was interesting, so did you apparently.

I expect they do have a plan, but I cannot produce it for you here. That said, I will see what I can do for you because, as I agreed earlier, it is a very valid concern.

I did read autonomousmind until they stopped posting and I read eureferendum on a regular basis.

Let me know if you ever find the UKIP exit plan. Its most likely next to the SNP legal advice on an independents scotlans automatic right to EU membership.

[Mrr T]

Mr Snap said:

No need to apologise, it's only the second time in two days you've drawn our attentions to the musings of a nutter. (Have you looked up Nick Ridley's Herald of Free Enterprise joke yet?)

Keep up the good work. Fine job you're doing there....

Why do you think autonomousmind and eureferendum are the musings of a nutter? The work of Dr North, in particular, looks in great detail at how we can exit the EU with out crippling our economy.