Georgie Porgie, Puddin' and Pie
Discussion
crankedup said:
250 million is not a lot of money I say in context of the political mess this brings. Its all very well suggesting that this drop in the ocean, for that is what it is, helps pay off the deficit but I would suggest that the former Chancellors have not introduced this particular tax owing to the problems it will inherently bring, as confirmed by a previous Tory Chancellor. Also the deficit is not an excuse for indulging into political fantasy, as seems to be the case with Osbourne.
The tax reduction for the wealthy is a nod to the Chancellors pals, he is quite happy to see the average person pay more to fund this cut. Nothing is yet proven that tax reductions increases tax take.
Tax avoidance is perfectly legal and sensible. You can't have it both ways.
Yes of course I will use most of what is available to make a political point, that is political reality.
I am only thankful that the Lib-Dems are restraining the worst excesses of the Conservatives.
He's putting VAT on pasties, are you delusional?The tax reduction for the wealthy is a nod to the Chancellors pals, he is quite happy to see the average person pay more to fund this cut. Nothing is yet proven that tax reductions increases tax take.
Tax avoidance is perfectly legal and sensible. You can't have it both ways.
Yes of course I will use most of what is available to make a political point, that is political reality.
I am only thankful that the Lib-Dems are restraining the worst excesses of the Conservatives.
PugwasHDJ80 said:
This is about competition
Fish and chip shops (you know, the small independant ones, where the owner works his arse off), have to charge VAT on pies, pasties, and hot chicken.
The really big retailers, such as Tesco, Greggs and various other faceless corporate non entities don't.
how is this fair?
trust me the big boys really don't need this arbitary advantage- just create a level playing field.
I really hope this message gets across to the masses. Then Mili-Balls' opportunism today will come back and smack then in the arse.Fish and chip shops (you know, the small independant ones, where the owner works his arse off), have to charge VAT on pies, pasties, and hot chicken.
The really big retailers, such as Tesco, Greggs and various other faceless corporate non entities don't.
how is this fair?
trust me the big boys really don't need this arbitary advantage- just create a level playing field.
JagLover said:
crankedup said:
For me I would say that as we are one of the most heavily taxed Countries already, the Chancellor taxing our hot pies is a step to far. He makes an argument that is so easy for Labour to pour scorn, he reduces the direct tax on the 150k + earners yet slap a tax on a hot takeaway pie. Is he really so isolated from the political reality of what he is doing. I wonder, I really do. If it was to raise a substantial sum then at least that could be used as an argument to defend the proposal.
You talk of reducing tax on top earners as if this is some sort of long established top rate, rather than a Labour gimick days before they left office.I would suggest that even when reduced to 45P someone earning over £150K, who receives no personal allowance now let us not forget and has 2% of NI to add onto the 45% tax, is already paying their fair share even before you consider all the indirect taxes they pay.
Do you really think it was sustainable for the UK to have the highest top rate of tax of any of the world's signficant financial centres?
PugwasHDJ80 said:
This is about competition
Fish and chip shops (you know, the small independant ones, where the owner works his arse off), have to charge VAT on pies, pasties, and hot chicken.
The really big retailers, such as Tesco, Greggs and various other faceless corporate non entities don't.
how is this fair?
trust me the big boys really don't need this arbitary advantage- just create a level playing field.
Give me a chance I have only just finished my supper!And no it wasn't pie and chips.Fish and chip shops (you know, the small independant ones, where the owner works his arse off), have to charge VAT on pies, pasties, and hot chicken.
The really big retailers, such as Tesco, Greggs and various other faceless corporate non entities don't.
how is this fair?
trust me the big boys really don't need this arbitary advantage- just create a level playing field.
A good friend of ours runs his own little chippie, so I appreciate where your coming from on this. The small guy at least being VAT registered has the fun of being a tax taker and tax giver
Ultimately do we want to see 20% added onto cheap hot foods at a takeaway, its only going to increase the cost of product to the end customer,cause more time and effort into sorting the returns out which means even more cost. Which hits profit and divi payouts.
In the end a level playing field seems completely reasonable, abolish VAT on hot takeaways. It won't happen.
Trommel said:
crankedup said:
250 million is not a lot of money I say in context of the political mess this brings. Its all very well suggesting that this drop in the ocean, for that is what it is, helps pay off the deficit but I would suggest that the former Chancellors have not introduced this particular tax owing to the problems it will inherently bring, as confirmed by a previous Tory Chancellor. Also the deficit is not an excuse for indulging into political fantasy, as seems to be the case with Osbourne.
The tax reduction for the wealthy is a nod to the Chancellors pals, he is quite happy to see the average person pay more to fund this cut. Nothing is yet proven that tax reductions increases tax take.
Tax avoidance is perfectly legal and sensible. You can't have it both ways.
Yes of course I will use most of what is available to make a political point, that is political reality.
I am only thankful that the Lib-Dems are restraining the worst excesses of the Conservatives.
He's putting VAT on pasties, are you delusional?The tax reduction for the wealthy is a nod to the Chancellors pals, he is quite happy to see the average person pay more to fund this cut. Nothing is yet proven that tax reductions increases tax take.
Tax avoidance is perfectly legal and sensible. You can't have it both ways.
Yes of course I will use most of what is available to make a political point, that is political reality.
I am only thankful that the Lib-Dems are restraining the worst excesses of the Conservatives.
crankedup said:
Give me a chance I have only just finished my supper!And no it wasn't pie and chips.
A good friend of ours runs his own little chippie, so I appreciate where your coming from on this. The small guy at least being VAT registered has the fun of being a tax taker and tax giver
Ultimately do we want to see 20% added onto cheap hot foods at a takeaway, its only going to increase the cost of product to the end customer,cause more time and effort into sorting the returns out which means even more cost. Which hits profit and divi payouts.
In the end a level playing field seems completely reasonable, abolish VAT on hot takeaways. It won't happen.
Notnsure ive made myself clear- takeaways have ALWAYS had tonpay vat on hot food (and there is no vat to reclaim on the product we buy). we are at a 20% disadvantage against the big boys. this isnt fair.A good friend of ours runs his own little chippie, so I appreciate where your coming from on this. The small guy at least being VAT registered has the fun of being a tax taker and tax giver
Ultimately do we want to see 20% added onto cheap hot foods at a takeaway, its only going to increase the cost of product to the end customer,cause more time and effort into sorting the returns out which means even more cost. Which hits profit and divi payouts.
In the end a level playing field seems completely reasonable, abolish VAT on hot takeaways. It won't happen.
I wonder if all the chavs will be panic buying from Greggs ? Our town centre Greggs is usually frequented by tracksuit wearing youths with Rockports, gold chains and bull terriers, the women tend to have crop tops on showing the side effects of the food bulging out of the middle. You only have to look for the chewing gum stuck on the pavements and fag butts outside to realise who frequents this place.
crankedup said:
PugwasHDJ80 said:
This is about competition
Fish and chip shops (you know, the small independant ones, where the owner works his arse off), have to charge VAT on pies, pasties, and hot chicken.
The really big retailers, such as Tesco, Greggs and various other faceless corporate non entities don't.
how is this fair?
trust me the big boys really don't need this arbitary advantage- just create a level playing field.
Give me a chance I have only just finished my supper!And no it wasn't pie and chips.Fish and chip shops (you know, the small independant ones, where the owner works his arse off), have to charge VAT on pies, pasties, and hot chicken.
The really big retailers, such as Tesco, Greggs and various other faceless corporate non entities don't.
how is this fair?
trust me the big boys really don't need this arbitary advantage- just create a level playing field.
A good friend of ours runs his own little chippie, so I appreciate where your coming from on this. The small guy at least being VAT registered has the fun of being a tax taker and tax giver
Ultimately do we want to see 20% added onto cheap hot foods at a takeaway, its only going to increase the cost of product to the end customer,cause more time and effort into sorting the returns out which means even more cost. Which hits profit and divi payouts.
In the end a level playing field seems completely reasonable, abolish VAT on hot takeaways. It won't happen.
You have a friend with a small indie fish n chip shop. Currently he has to trade on an unfair and not level playing field weighted against him. The Chancellor has suggest implemented measures to level that playing field. In favour of the small indie guys. Your friend.
Just so we are clear on this...the implementation of this law will be to the advantage of the small guy against the bigger corporate guys.
And you are against this?
With friends like you...
Like MPs actually need receipts to claim money DJRC said:
No, he is quite right! The last time I went in Greggs for a pasty at lunchtime it was lukewarm and rank. Thereafter I got pies from the Sainsburys 200 yrds down the road. Same price, hot, better.
Supermarket pies were better. That is how crap Greggs are.
Yep, Morrisons pies are great Supermarket pies were better. That is how crap Greggs are.
Greggs used to to be good when i was a lad; i think they were only based in the north east back then. The cheese pasties actually tasted of cheese back then, rather than the warm wallpaper paste that seems to fill them now....
Vimto156 said:
Yep, Morrisons pies are great
Greggs used to to be good when i was a lad; i think they were only based in the north east back then. The cheese pasties actually tasted of cheese back then, rather than the warm wallpaper paste that seems to fill them now....
At least it was warm. Last time I had a Gregg's pasty it was stone fGreggs used to to be good when i was a lad; i think they were only based in the north east back then. The cheese pasties actually tasted of cheese back then, rather than the warm wallpaper paste that seems to fill them now....
king cold.
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