Treasury Minister thinks paying with cash is wrong

Treasury Minister thinks paying with cash is wrong

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catso

14,797 posts

268 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Politician preaching morality... rolleyes

But I wonder if said politician has never done such a thing? wouldn't it be interesting if some cash-in-hand-trader was prepared to out him.

Politcians - lying, cheating, thieving, self-serving scumbags the lot of 'em...

Sexual Chocolate

1,583 posts

145 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Gardener: So thats 75.00 Mr Chocolate.
Me: Call it 50 for cash?
Gardener: Hmmm....I can do it for 60.
ME: Great. See you next week.

Immoral or just plain bartering?

elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Sexual Chocolate said:
Gardener: So thats 75.00 Mr Chocolate.
Me: Call it 50 for cash?
Gardener: Hmmm....I can do it for 60.
ME: Great. See you next week.

Immoral or just plain bartering?
Depends if he pays the tax on the ^0 then it is fine. If he doesn't then it is illegal.

This hasn't been a new thing.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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I've had tradesmen and garages regularly offer me a healthy discount off the final bill if I paid cash.

As the customer, why would I possibly want to pay more for something?

My view is that the moral and legal obligation is 100% on the business rather than the customer. It isn't my job to Police the tax affairs of the self employed.

elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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NinjaPower said:
I've had tradesmen and garages regularly offer me a healthy discount off the final bill if I paid cash.

As the customer, why would I possibly want to pay more for something?

My view is that the moral and legal obligation is 100% on the business rather than the customer. It isn't my job to Police the tax affairs of the self employed.
It is completely right, it is nothing to do with the person paying the bill.

When I buy a newspaper I am not going to wonder if the newsagents have paid their tax bill this year.

Eric Mc

122,163 posts

266 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Sexual Chocolate said:
Gardener: So thats 75.00 Mr Chocolate.
Me: Call it 50 for cash?
Gardener: Hmmm....I can do it for 60.
ME: Great. See you next week.

Immoral or just plain bartering?
How many times does it need to be said?

There is nothing illegal or immoral in paying someone cash.

Cash is legal tender. That is why it exists.

Note the words I used i.e."LEGAL tender".

The illegality occurs when relevant tax is EVADED.

elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Eric Mc said:
Sexual Chocolate said:
Gardener: So thats 75.00 Mr Chocolate.
Me: Call it 50 for cash?
Gardener: Hmmm....I can do it for 60.
ME: Great. See you next week.

Immoral or just plain bartering?
How many times does it need to be said?

There is nothing illegal or immoral in paying someone cash.

Cash is legal tender. That is why it exists.

Note the words I used i.e."LEGAL tender".

The illegality occurs when relevant tax is EVADED.
I never realised there were so many stupid people until this story went online last night.


mattnunn

14,041 posts

162 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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These issues of morality are essentially the result of our superb common law legal system. In this country the law gives men the freedom to act on conscience, the responsibilty to decide to do what is moral and accept the risk of being judged after by a system of common law and precident. In a fully codified system you are ridgidly bound to things you can't do, in the common law system you are given the bare outline of things you can do.

It's absurd for a Tory minister to be arguing the state machine should be better placed to spend and manage peoples personal finances than the individual.

What we are witnessing and have been witnessing for the last 20 years is a movement by a political class to attempt to seize control of our country from the institutional arrangments that have grown up in the 200 years previous.

It's the death of liberalism. The reds appear to be winning, we must fight back and act on our moral judgments.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Eric Mc said:
How many times does it need to be said?

There is nothing illegal or immoral in paying someone cash.

Cash is legal tender. That is why it exists.

Note the words I used i.e."LEGAL tender".

The illegality occurs when relevant tax is EVADED.
Correct, but what I think is being implied and suggested by government ministers and the like, is that the average consumer is almost encouraging or enabling tax evasion simply by paying cash, which I think is a wholly wrong accusation.

Adrian W

13,926 posts

229 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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This is about morals, so every time I pay for a service in cash should I send a note to the Revenue notifying them who to and for what.?

Of course I’m being flippant

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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mrmr96 said:
"EVADING" !!!
Quite right!

Eric Mc

122,163 posts

266 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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NinjaPower said:
Eric Mc said:
How many times does it need to be said?

There is nothing illegal or immoral in paying someone cash.

Cash is legal tender. That is why it exists.

Note the words I used i.e."LEGAL tender".

The illegality occurs when relevant tax is EVADED.
Correct, but what I think is being implied and suggested by government ministers and the like, is that the average consumer is almost encouraging or enabling tax evasion simply by paying cash, which I think is a wholly wrong accusation.
Agreed - although in this case he was put on the spot by the interviewer and, being perhaps a not very bright politician, said something which will be used against him and which he probably already has cause to regret saying.

Who on earth would ever want to go into politics?

Odie

4,187 posts

183 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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What a Cock. Its all smoke and mirrors.

The tax system is broken so lets blame the hardworking tradesmen.

What about the celebs who are legally evading millions in tax (with a 45% tax bracket why wouldnt you), the broken working tax credit system that has people stuck working 16hours a week as working anymore would actually make them worse off, some of who are also getting additional hours cash in hand.

And then we have the politicians, taking home a wage, but claiming all living expenses as 'expenses'...

The whole system is corrupt, make it fair and foolproof and then perhaps the government will have less tax avoidance.

elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Odie said:
What a Cock. Its all smoke and mirrors.

The tax system is broken so let blame the hardworking tradesmen.

What about the celebs who are legally evading millions in tax (with a 45% tax bracket why wouldnt you), the broken working tax credit system that has people stuck working 16hours a week as working anymore would actually make them worse off, some of who are also getting additional hours cash in hand.

And then we have the politicians, taking home a wage, but claiming all living expenses as 'expenses'...

The whole system is corrupt, make it fair and foolproof and then perhaps the government will have less tax avoidance.
banghead

Eric Mc

122,163 posts

266 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Odie said:
What about the celebs who are legally evading .
A good example of an oxymoron at work.

Gene Vincent

4,002 posts

159 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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mattnunn said:
These issues of morality are essentially the result of our superb common law legal system. In this country the law gives men the freedom to act on conscience, the responsibilty to decide to do what is moral and accept the risk of being judged after by a system of common law and precident. In a fully codified system you are ridgidly bound to things you can't do, in the common law system you are given the bare outline of things you can do.

It's absurd for a Tory minister to be arguing the state machine should be better placed to spend and manage peoples personal finances than the individual.

What we are witnessing and have been witnessing for the last 20 years is a movement by a political class to attempt to seize control of our country from the institutional arrangments that have grown up in the 200 years previous.

It's the death of liberalism. The reds appear to be winning, we must fight back and act on our moral judgments.
Good post. The point made in your second paragraph in particular resonates.

audidoody

8,597 posts

257 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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oyster said:
There's so much innacuracy in your post I don't know where to stand.
Top irony sir

laugh


Traveller

4,166 posts

218 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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So what if it is cash in hand ?

Why it really does not matter.


Alex

9,975 posts

285 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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I'll tell you what is immoral: The government taking 48% of GDP in tax.

Odie

4,187 posts

183 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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elster said:
banghead
explain? If you have a counter opinion or think im missing something i'd love to hear it so I can balance my opinion etc

Edited by Odie on Tuesday 24th July 10:45