Jobless man refuses to get up at 8am

[anonymous-user]

I wouldn't swap places with him

[JDRoest]

hifihigh said:

The problem is that you are relying on anecdotal evedence(should that be an I after the d idk).

So how many examples from different people do you want, before you conclude that there is a problem? I don't know all of the benefit claimants in the UK, I'm just adding my voice to the few that I do know (and I do know more than a few).

There are people in the UK, a growing number of people who do not want to work, and will do anything to avoid it.

[phil-sti]

davepoth said:

Oakey said:

Labours plan is to give everyone who has been unemployed for two years a 'temporary job' and if they refuse they'll stop their benefits.

Where do the "jobs" come from?

If there was work to be done and wages to be paid for it, there would be jobs. What would happen is that unscrupulous employers will take on these claimants to sit around drinking tea while they get a cheque from the government.

I have 3 jobs going 2 nights at 24 grand and 1 days for 22 Grand. I've had 10 applicants and 3 of them are laughable.

[Oakey]

What are these jobs?

[Negative Creep]

Oakey said:

What are these jobs?

I'd love to find one of these legendary vacancies where no one applies, especially one paying 22 grand.............

[Steffan]

spyker138 said:

I live in NJ, and after hurricane sandy back in November there was a huge amount of clear up work from trees to building to be done. Within days there were hundreds of people here from other states, many of them thousands of miles, to help with the clear up. Initially to just help, and then after the worst was done, to make some money. I had a crew of ten from West Virginia and North Carolina working from 8 to 8, for six daya clearing trees in my garden, cash in hand. They rented all the equipment and worked around our town right up to Christmas. They are now back having bought their own equipment, doing more work. It's an amazing culture of giving, selfless help mixed with entrepreneurship that no social state can replicate.

I used to vote Labour all my life, but I now think that the balance has gone in the UK and even the 'coalition' are messing around with the deck chairs while the mother ship heads for the iceburg. The deficit is still huge - the country spends 30% more than it earns with zero-ish growth in income. That's nuts.

100% correct. Sadly the coalition are ineffective and the labour lot are downright crooks. Politicians look after themselves. So must the population.

[hyperblue]

Negative Creep said:

I'd love to find one of these legendary vacancies where no one applies, especially one paying 22 grand.............

As an example, there are 1.4 jobs per job seeker in Guildford.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2126544_guildfor...

Better not live in Hull though

[Buff Mchugelarge]

Collect all the lazy people in Britain, add all the people who have lost the use of the letters 'T' and 'H', anyone who thinks 'ing' is pronounced 'ink' and throw them all in the sea. Then shoot them just to be sure.

The deficit will be cleared in no time, We can all be safe in the knowledge we wont be mugged/ stabbed or raped and the roads will be a lot clearer too.

The only downside I can see is a decline in tax income from the sale of Rolling tobacco, papers and booze?

[Fazt]

Buff Mchugelarge said:

Collect all the lazy people in Britain, add all the people who have lost the use of the letters 'T' and 'H', anyone who thinks 'ing' is pronounced 'ink' and throw them all in the sea. Then shoot them just to be sure.

The deficit will be cleared in no time, We can all be safe in the knowledge we wont be mugged/ stabbed or raped and the roads will be a lot clearer too.

The only downside I can see is a decline in tax income from the sale of Rolling tobacco, papers and booze?

they should be all made to pick up litter or something for at least 1 day a week to earn their benefits.

they would soon get a job then.

[whoami]

Buff Mchugelarge said:

Collect all the lazy people in Britain, add all the people who have lost the use of the letters 'T' and 'H', anyone who thinks 'ing' is pronounced 'ink' and throw them all in the sea. Then shoot them just to be sure.

The deficit will be cleared in no time, We can all be safe in the knowledge we wont be mugged/ stabbed or raped and the roads will be a lot clearer too.

The only downside I can see is a decline in tax income from the sale of Rolling tobacco, papers and booze?

[EDLT]

Negative Creep said:

Oakey said:

What are these jobs?

I'd love to find one of these legendary vacancies where no one applies, especially one paying 22 grand.............

+1

You should be getting at least 30 agencies contacting you regardless of whether or not you want them.





And the radio show was an obvious fake, you should all stop being so gullible.

[JDRoest]

Fazt said:

they should be all made to pick up litter or something for at least 1 day a week to earn their benefits.

they would soon get a job then.

There is actually a fairly straight forward problem to unemployment which is that the council employs a lot of the long term unemployed in exchange for benefits. For instance, bin cleaning, parking wardens, graffiti removal contractors, road sweepers and so forth.

It would bring down council costs, it would incentivise the unemployed to get a decent job, and the trickle down affect is that it would cost taxpayers less money.

[andymadmak]

EDLT said:

And the radio show was an obvious fake, you should all stop being so gullible.

I am genuinely curious about this view. Why is it so obviously a fake? Do you have evidence? Or is it obviously a fake in your opinion because the man and his approach to life did not conform to your view of what constitutes an unemployed man?

[irocfan]

JDRoest said:

Fazt said:

they should be all made to pick up litter or something for at least 1 day a week to earn their benefits.

they would soon get a job then.

There is actually a fairly straight forward problem to unemployment which is that the council employs a lot of the long term unemployed in exchange for benefits. For instance, bin cleaning, parking wardens, graffiti removal contractors, road sweepers and so forth.

It would bring down council costs, it would incentivise the unemployed to get a decent job, and the trickle down affect is that it would cost taxpayers less money.

the problem with this is what happens to people already employed in these areas? I must admit that I had similar thoughts about prisoners - namely makes them work, the law of unintended consequences however means that a fair few low-skill jobs would end up being lost and those people who actually want to work could end up being made redundant....

as regards the LBC program I do wonder why so many people find it hard to believe that people like this 'Paul' exist? They may not be as common as the DM would like to say however they do exist!

[kuzushi2]

blindswelledrat said:

Sargeant Orange said:

blindswelledrat said:

I honestly believe that any unemployed person could get casual low-paid work. Anybody who doesnt work chooses not to.

Quite right. However while the amount of benefits they can receive is similar to the pay available in these jobs then the freeloaders will always choose the sit-on-their-arse option

Its true. Although Im not sure I completely blame them. I think the system is more at fault than it's abusers. As soon as society have allowed a swathe of people to see benefits as a "right" as opposed to emergency help, then it seems almost inevitable. The thought of getting up on a cold winter morning to go and do labouring to effectively earn zero would be hugely difficult to motivate yourself for.

Exactly. You can't blame them. They'd be stupid to work when they can be just as well off sitting on their backsides. The fault lies with the system and the politicians who created it. It's a dreadful situation created by policy-makers, not the scroungers themselves.

[Fazt]

i agree its the system that allows this to happen.

the problem is that there are now generations of families, and council estates full of families, that live in this way, which is totally wrong.

the biggest insult is when "he" says I do cash in hand work. So we have to pay towards his existence and this little ST feels that he's entitled to it and doesn't pay a contribution from the extras he earns. personally I believe that families like this should be sterilised, if you can't support your own don't have them.

I'd love a Ferrari but can't afford one so, does this mean someone else should fund it for me? guess thats a no then....... I feel sorry for the middle and upperclass members of society who have to fund the existence of such scum.


rant over!

[irocfan]

kuzushi2 said:

blindswelledrat said:

Sargeant Orange said:

blindswelledrat said:

I honestly believe that any unemployed person could get casual low-paid work. Anybody who doesnt work chooses not to.

Quite right. However while the amount of benefits they can receive is similar to the pay available in these jobs then the freeloaders will always choose the sit-on-their-arse option

Its true. Although Im not sure I completely blame them. I think the system is more at fault than it's abusers. As soon as society have allowed a swathe of people to see benefits as a "right" as opposed to emergency help, then it seems almost inevitable. The thought of getting up on a cold winter morning to go and do labouring to effectively earn zero would be hugely difficult to motivate yourself for.

Exactly. You can't blame them. They'd be stupid to work when they can be just as well off sitting on their backsides. The fault lies with the system and the politicians who created it. It's a dreadful situation created by policy-makers, not the scroungers themselves.

oh great another "don't blame that playyah blame the game" posting... bks - the same apologists for this workshy scum-bag are then more than happy to bh and whinge and whine when Amazon/Starbucks etc use the system to their advantage.

[Fazt]

^^^agree^^^



"you can't blame them" f**K off haha, wheres the pride, dignity and aspirations in life

[JDRoest]

irocfan said:

the problem with this is what happens to people already employed in these areas? I must admit that I had similar thoughts about prisoners - namely makes them work, the law of unintended consequences however means that a fair few low-skill jobs would end up being lost and those people who actually want to work could end up being made redundant....

as regards the LBC program I do wonder why so many people find it hard to believe that people like this 'Paul' exist? They may not be as common as the DM would like to say however they do exist!

What's wrong with natural wastage?

Take it a bit further and why not get disabled people (really depends on disability and their abilities) working?

Worked at my local council at the general election as a vote counter (postal and main count), and the receptionist for the main building at the council was a young guy just out of university - but why? We have people in wheelchairs who could do the job just as effectively. The council buildings are all disabled friendly so perfect for someone who isn't hugely mobile, and doesn't need to do a mobile job - like a receptionist.

Same goes with things like cctv operators - why do they need legs to sit in front of monitors? We have huge resources of people who are custom for some of these jobs, why aren't we matching resources with skills?

[Fazt]

i sympathise with disabilities, but your right they still have to earn their way in other countries.

if there are people with no legs running the 100m then whats the problem?