Stunning police response to car theft

[Gene Vincent]

It seems extraordinary that the 'FTP' sites have been up for over a year and known about for almost as long, a whole year, one whole damned year.

The person whose car was stolen put up something on the same media and within a couple of hours, the law abiding get a visit warning not to offend the offenders who stole their car and then eventually set it alight.

This would appear to be about incompetence more than priorities, the failure of competence came first then the priorities took a nosedive in the common-sense department.

Had competence of any real kind been present then these 'neds' who STILL quite openly feel themselves above the law sufficiently to brag and gloat about their exploits would have been hit upon a year ago.

The other unpleasant issue is that the 'neds' appear to be right, they are running rings around the police and the resultant frustration of the police, brought on by their own incompetence, means they almost appear to take out their frustration on the victims of the crime.

What a mess.

[thinfourth2]

In todays press and journal we have a new angle

Because it is 12 year olds and teenagers stealing cars it is the fault of the parents by not having them locked in the house


Seems to be a patern forming here

Is it illegal to have a door unlocked?

[Digga]

Gene Vincent said:

The other unpleasant issue is that the 'neds' appear to be right, they are running rings around the police and the resultant frustration of the police, brought on by their own incompetence, means they almost appear to take out their frustration on the victims of the crime.

IME it seems to be a very small number of individuals who are responsible for a very high proportion of serious crimes. I do tend to think that targetted zero-tolerance campaigns would net pretty useful results, but what do I know?

[aw51 121565]

It must be assumed that there is one section (named "vehicle crime unit" or similar) who are doing that role, and a second section that deals with "social media" - and the people who are working on the roads are not the same ones calling on the lady whose vehicle was stolen to "give advice on her facebook posts". There will be numerous other sections as well, none of which would be relevant here (OK, the dog section maybe if the police ever got near these thieves ).

Just a shame that the "social media" team are misdirecting their efforts in this instance (oops ) and it's getting rather unfortunate publicity (and so it should). Still, these are "right-on!" politically correct times nowadays, and if anyone might be potentially offended... Presume it's also a performance indicator?

All assumption on my part of course - but if people were aware how few out of the total police numbers on duty at a particular time are actually "out on the beat" or working "vehicle crime" then they wouldn't just assume that all the police were looking on the Book of Faces as opposed to looking out for the lady's car and apprehending the 'neds'...

[Gene Vincent]

Digga said:

Gene Vincent said:

The other unpleasant issue is that the 'neds' appear to be right, they are running rings around the police and the resultant frustration of the police, brought on by their own incompetence, means they almost appear to take out their frustration on the victims of the crime.

IME it seems to be a very small number of individuals who are responsible for a very high proportion of serious crimes. I do tend to think that targetted zero-tolerance campaigns would net pretty useful results, but what do I know?

You are likely to be right, there will be just few of these 'neds' less than a dozen perhaps, but it probably started with just an individual or a pair of them.

But things grow and have grown it seems.

It can only keep growing all the while the victims are the effective target not the perpetrators.

I don't think you even need some sort of specious 'Zero tolerance' campaign, there can be no tolerance of repeated outright contempt for the law and those that are supposed to uphold it, you need good policing and nothing more.

[WCZ]

aw51 121565 said:

It must be assumed that there is one section (named "vehicle crime unit" or similar) who are doing that role, and a second section that deals with "social media"

a section of the police force entirely focused on social media? completely retarded imo.

[jaybirduk]

thinfourth2 said:

http://www.facebook.com/garthdeejockyz.ftp

I think it is terrible these poor promising young footballers

How can they get away posting pics of stolen cars and bragging about it online?

[oyster]

The public have the policing and justice systen that they have wanted for ages.

Public demand more is done to reduce crime >> politicians, eager to impress public, promise to show they will cut crime and set targets to the police for cutting crime >> police, in turn, focus on quick wins and hence only apprehend on crimes that are either very easy to solve or are very serious and/or high profile.


It's the public's fault.

[Art0ir]

Gene Vincent said:

Breadvan72 said:

Even that would be completely outside the police remit. Why should the victim of a crime not have a rant about it on Facebook? That is nothing to do with Mcplod.

Rabble-rousing is not a good idea.

In your opinion. When they crucified a car thief in a certain area of Belfast it had a very positive impact on the lives of local residents.

[stargazer30]

Here's a novel idea.

Fit all new cars with a small keypad and a 4 digit pin code. The car works as normal but if you don't put in the pin code it won't go above 20mph.

Most stolen cars are stolen using the keys without the owner being present during the theft so that would solve that one.

[Gene Vincent]

stargazer30 said:

Here's a novel idea.

Fit all new cars with a small keypad and a 4 digit pin code. The car works as normal but if you don't put in the pin code it won't go above 20mph.

Most stolen cars are stolen using the keys without the owner being present during the theft so that would solve that one.

Sounds good, trouble is that it is more than likely that the PIN will be the same as the one for your bank account card, so they'll break that and have your car and then your money.

I have a much more novel idea... how about a bit of quality policing, you know, the baddies get nicked and the good people get at least some comfort and eventually with quality policing it has a deterrent effect.

These 'neds' don't see the police as being effective at doing their job, they have zero regard for the uniform and that uniform has zer deterrent effect.

This is because the quality standard of the policing in the area is below par.

[onesickpuppy]

What we need in Aberdeen is one of those 'sting' cars, but with a few modifications. You know, the ones that deadlock themselves when the thief gets in so the nearby officers can nab them? Modifications could be release of a deadly gas, explosive seats, airbags filled with nails and remotely set off etc, etc...

[onesickpuppy]

They've arrested and charged someone for the RS4:

http://m.local.stv.tv/aberdeen/news/209377-teenage...

[AJS-]

onesickpuppy said:

What we need in Aberdeen is one of those 'sting' cars, but with a few modifications. You know, the ones that deadlock themselves when the thief gets in so the nearby officers can nab them? Modifications could be release of a deadly gas, explosive seats, airbags filled with nails and remotely set off etc, etc...

Mind your hate speak there sonny, the car thieves are probably being released with a caution about now and if they were to read something like that then the trauma alone could be worth hundreds of thousands.

[Dixie68]

Just a thought, but has anyone contacted Grampian Police and asked what they're doing about the FB page of car thieves?

[anonymous-user]

They shouldn't do anything about it, as it's just a lot of mouth breathers gobbing off on the internet. The police are not here to control speech; even annoying, idiotic and offensive speech. They should be concentrating on catching car thieves, and not wasting time on Facebook.

[Gene Vincent]

Dixie68 said:

Just a thought, but has anyone contacted Grampian Police and asked what they're doing about the FB page of car thieves?

Come on, we have to give them a chance, they've only had a year or so, it's a bit early to be expecting action.

[AJS-]

Breadvan72 said:

They shouldn't do anything about it, as it's just a lot of mouth breathers gobbing off on the internet. The police are not here to control speech; even annoying, idiotic and offensive speech. They should be concentrating on catching car thieves, and not wasting time on Facebook.

Which I would completely agree with if they didn't make a visit to the victim of a car theft, late at night, to give her pointers as to what she should and should not be saying on Facebook.

Also worth noting that the page in question seems to provide at least a lead into who is stealing cars. Even if it is some no mark sad case who just delights in cars being stolen and goes around photographing them, surely the police should be following up on this to see if they can gain an insight into how these people operate.

If, as it appears, the owner of that particular account is actually involved in car theft then surely this would be an easy arrest?

To a layman, knowing only what I've seen in the papers and on this thread, it appears that the police see their only role in tackling car theft as being to rubber stamp the documents so that the owners get their insurance, and that makes me very angry.

Edited by AJS- on Friday 11th January 17:45

[XCP]

BliarOut said:

"i thought you'd shot a burglar". "I thought you didn't have any officers available until morning"?

Exactly. Prioritising.
Surely you are not suggesting both incidents merit the same response?

[KM666]

jaybirduk said:

thinfourth2 said:

http://www.facebook.com/garthdeejockyz.ftp

I think it is terrible these poor promising young footballers

How can they get away posting pics of stolen cars and bragging about it online?

The same way local scratters can get away with posing with guns/blades for facebook pictures.