"I've just broken the Geneva convention"
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I have the feeling now that there will be some sort of revenge.
But not from the rag tops.
I think the UK or who's ever soldiers are over there, that they will go out of there way to pop a few more slugs into the rag tops at any opportunity.
But this time, there will be no audio, no video, no recourse, and no court martial to answer to.
"There you are, shuffle off this mortal coil, you fecker. It's nothing you wouldn't do to us."
I am really dissapointed in the judgement of this soldier, moral high ground,,,, I hear some people here say.
Yeah, sure,
But not from the rag tops.
I think the UK or who's ever soldiers are over there, that they will go out of there way to pop a few more slugs into the rag tops at any opportunity.
But this time, there will be no audio, no video, no recourse, and no court martial to answer to.
"There you are, shuffle off this mortal coil, you fecker. It's nothing you wouldn't do to us."
I am really dissapointed in the judgement of this soldier, moral high ground,,,, I hear some people here say.
Yeah, sure,
Edited by uk_vette on Saturday 9th November 10:02
pete a said:
Wow there are a lot more cus cus eaters here than I imagined,
Hmmm....so that would also make the Marine's boss a 'cue cus eater"."Brig Bill Dunham, deputy commandant general of the Royal Marines, said what the court had heard was “a truly shocking and appalling aberration”."
Nice to see the Facebook campaigns have started.
The man is guilty, he admitted as much on tape. Regardless of what he has been through, you cannot go around shooting people at will. He knew this. How many marines have served in Helmand, I expect many thousands? How many have " executed the enemy? I strongly suspect that there have been other cases, but also suspect that other soldiers were not stupid enough to record / keep it.
I think that the timing of the trial could have been handled a little better. At a time when we are remembering our war heroes, at Remembrance.
The man is guilty, he admitted as much on tape. Regardless of what he has been through, you cannot go around shooting people at will. He knew this. How many marines have served in Helmand, I expect many thousands? How many have " executed the enemy? I strongly suspect that there have been other cases, but also suspect that other soldiers were not stupid enough to record / keep it.
I think that the timing of the trial could have been handled a little better. At a time when we are remembering our war heroes, at Remembrance.
XCP said:
He would though wouldn't he. Brig. Julian Thompson has called for clemency I see.
and also said:‘I have no sympathy for the man who was killed but Marine A did the wrong thing by shooting him".
BTW. I'm not a cus cus eater. I support the troops only slightly less than Jim Davidson.
Plugging an unarmed, injured POW in the aftermath of a battle is an unequivocal war crime.
We can talk about mitigating circumstances and debate length of sentence. But he was guilty.
Jesus H. The marine himself knew it "I've just broken the Geneva Convention".
uk_vette said:
I have the feeling now that there will be some sort of revenge.
But not from the rag tops.
I think the UK or who's ever soldiers are over there, that they will go out of there way to pop a few more slugs into the rag tops at any opportunity.
But this time, there will be no audio, no video, no recourse, and no court martial to answer to.
"There you are, shuffle off this mortal coil, you fecker. It's nothing you wouldn't do to us."
I am really dissapointed in the judgement of this soldier, moral high ground,,,, I hear some people here say.
Yeah, sure,
But not from the rag tops.
I think the UK or who's ever soldiers are over there, that they will go out of there way to pop a few more slugs into the rag tops at any opportunity.
But this time, there will be no audio, no video, no recourse, and no court martial to answer to.
"There you are, shuffle off this mortal coil, you fecker. It's nothing you wouldn't do to us."
I am really dissapointed in the judgement of this soldier, moral high ground,,,, I hear some people here say.
Yeah, sure,
Edited by uk_vette on Saturday 9th November 10:02
someone who knows what they are talking about said:
Colonel Richard Kemp, a former commander of British troops in Helmand, said the incident would make life more dangerous for troops. "This murder is a grotesque violation of British forces' longstanding reputation for morality and humanity even in the most desperate battlefield conditions," he said. "Execution of prisoners of war is a crime we associate with Nazi stormtroopers, not Royal Marines."
Seems he disagrees with you. audidoody said:
XCP said:
He would though wouldn't he. Brig. Julian Thompson has called for clemency I see.
and also said:‘I have no sympathy for the man who was killed but Marine A did the wrong thing by shooting him".
BTW. I'm not a cus cus eater. I support the troops only slightly less than Jim Davidson.
Plugging an unarmed, injured POW in the aftermath of a battle is an unequivocal war crime.
We can talk about mitigating circumstances and debate length of sentence. But he was guilty.
Jesus H. The marine himself knew it "I've just broken the Geneva Convention".
However, when we have three Marines, not under fire, with enough time to have a conversation, during which one of them says (and I'm paraphrasing a little)
"Don't shoot him in the head, it's too obvious"
There is something very seriously wrong.
vonuber said:
It seems there is a very strong correlation between intelligence and a persons view on this subject.
What this guy did was wrong, he knew it was wrong before, during and after he did it. He knew the consequences yet was stupid enough to do it whilst being filmed. He is going to pay the price for his stupidity.
pete a said:
Wow there are a lot more cus cus eaters here than I imagined, it's war , they are trained to kill and dumped the other side of the world to kill Taliban , then they kill one at the wrong moment and you lot are all "that's really not the spirit of things dear chap, we like our killing done nice and sportingly on our behalf"
I can only assume that you do not believe war crimes are real crimes. As such I take it you think Nazi Soldiers, Serbian Militants were free to do what they want and not face the consequences in a court?
No rules, after all it is war?
Jasandjules said:
I believe we lost all ability to claim any moral superiority when Guantanamo Bay exists.
^^^^ This.After 9/11 USA had the moral high ground. They, with their cronies like Blair, simply p155ed it away ending up as the "bad gay" themselves. An astonishing turnaround achieved through gross ineptitude.
He clearly committed murder and although I understand and sympathise to an extent (similar to how I would feel if somebody murdered someone who raped their wife for example) he has to face punishment, as much for the effect it will have on the rest of our armed forces as for the deed itself.
From what I can gather, the insurgent was going to die from his injurys anyway. The insurgent was in a combat role, therefore presumably shooting at the troops involved. All's fair in love and war. War isn't nice, s
t happens. There are rules of engagement, 'Marine A' clearly acted outside of these. I hope they go easy on him when he's serving his sentence.
t happens. There are rules of engagement, 'Marine A' clearly acted outside of these. I hope they go easy on him when he's serving his sentence.Fairbridge said:
From what I can gather, the insurgent was going to die from his injurys anyway. The insurgent was in a combat role, therefore presumably shooting at the troops involved. All's fair in love and war. War isn't nice, st happens. There are rules of engagement, 'Marine A' clearly acted outside of these. I hope they go easy on him when he's serving his sentence.
From John Keegan's The First World War, page 144, First Battle of Ypres.t happens. There are rules of engagement, 'Marine A' clearly acted outside of these. I hope they go easy on him when he's serving his sentence."After a while", recalled Corporal William Holbrook of the Royal Fusiliers,separated from his platoon in the confused fighting, "I came across some more of our fellows and one officer.. once we had got together and were deciding what to do, a German officer came crawling through the bushes. When he saw us he said, 'I am wounded' - perfect English - and our officer said to him, 'You shouldn't be making all those bloody attacks, then you wouldn't get wounded'. It gave us a laugh! Anyway we bandaged him up, waited on there and then shortly afterwards our officer was killed by a stray bullet, so we had no officers then. All you could hear was firing going on, but I did not know where the devil I was really".
Holbrook found a friend, took shelter with him during the shelling, dug a shrapnel ball out his friends knee when he was hit, saw him off to the rear, then crawled off to look for a "better place", found a dying German, tended him, saw him die, "covered him over with twigs and leaves, anything I could scoop up there" until, eventually, when he could "hear where the firing was and knew which direction to go, crawled back" to rejoin his unit.
I believe the Army recruitment slogan is "Join the professionals". I don't know whatever happened to Corporal Holbrook, but I admire his compassion and humanity in a war where the combatants suffered far worse than in Afghanistan.
It saddens me that if all the people who have commented on this thread were conscripted tomorrow then we would have a few bad apples among us, but it is good to see they would be outnumbered by people who would do the right thing if it came to it and would uphold the tradition of people like Corporal Holbrook who went before.
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 9th November 15:11
onyx39 said:
Nice to see the Facebook campaigns have started.
The man is guilty, he admitted as much on tape. Regardless of what he has been through, you cannot go around shooting people at will. He knew this. How many marines have served in Helmand, I expect many thousands? How many have " executed the enemy? I strongly suspect that there have been other cases, but also suspect that other soldiers were not stupid enough to record / keep it.
I think that the timing of the trial could have been handled a little better. At a time when we are remembering our war heroes, at Remembrance.
Don't go on there. I've tried debating but the ignorance is incredible on that page, don't waste your time.The man is guilty, he admitted as much on tape. Regardless of what he has been through, you cannot go around shooting people at will. He knew this. How many marines have served in Helmand, I expect many thousands? How many have " executed the enemy? I strongly suspect that there have been other cases, but also suspect that other soldiers were not stupid enough to record / keep it.
I think that the timing of the trial could have been handled a little better. At a time when we are remembering our war heroes, at Remembrance.
Patrick Bateman said:
onyx39 said:
Nice to see the Facebook campaigns have started.
The man is guilty, he admitted as much on tape. Regardless of what he has been through, you cannot go around shooting people at will. He knew this. How many marines have served in Helmand, I expect many thousands? How many have " executed the enemy? I strongly suspect that there have been other cases, but also suspect that other soldiers were not stupid enough to record / keep it.
I think that the timing of the trial could have been handled a little better. At a time when we are remembering our war heroes, at Remembrance.
Don't go on there. I've tried debating but the ignorance is incredible on that page, don't waste your time.The man is guilty, he admitted as much on tape. Regardless of what he has been through, you cannot go around shooting people at will. He knew this. How many marines have served in Helmand, I expect many thousands? How many have " executed the enemy? I strongly suspect that there have been other cases, but also suspect that other soldiers were not stupid enough to record / keep it.
I think that the timing of the trial could have been handled a little better. At a time when we are remembering our war heroes, at Remembrance.
I posted this link on that Facebook page, as a good counterpoint
http://projects.militarytimes.com/citations-medals...
But it will be drowned out in the static no doubt.
http://projects.militarytimes.com/citations-medals...
But it will be drowned out in the static no doubt.
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