Douglas Carswell: UKIP needs a 'fresh face' as leader
Discussion
Scuffers said:
Countdown said:
What about the statement that there were 7000 HIV cases, of which 60% were not British citizens? is that sufficient for you?
And how was he wrong?.
Other than that, you're right. He was telling the truth.
Greg66 said:
alfie2244 said:
What puzzles, yet at the same time amuses, me is why so many of you are so vociferous in your continued, vitriolic attacks on what they consider to be a no hope political party with a no hope leader....go figure.
Think of it more as charity work. Trying to help those who have been sucked in. Labour - no
Lib Dems - no
SNP - no
The Tories under Cameron? Genuinely laughable, a few overtures and soundbites, nawt more
Voting for parties like UKIP helps show the mainstream parties where the electorate are standing - the only problem is that they aren't listening. If anyone believes our current government is in favour of serious, meaningful and far reaching renegotiation then they must be potty, frankly.
If you are happy with our EU membership at present then by all means, vote for the usual suspects, let them know you support every closer union with our European....... friends.
Scuffers said:
jjlynn27 said:
Where does it say that 60% are not British citizens? As for the quality of the article itself I'll leave you with this pearl of wisdom; 'Hepatitis B is equally devastating as HIV'.
It doesn't, it does say:link said:
Of the 107,800 people estimated by Public Health England to be HIV positive an astonishing 59,300 are originally from Africa.
That's 55% are from Africa, so unless your suggesting that no others arrived from any other continent, i would suggest 60% is probably a little low.So, want to pick another so called lie?
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 19th December 18:32
Farage was talking about the new cases per year, not the overall number so you're already quoting a source not related to his statement.
The official NHS numbers for 2013 stated 6000 new diagnoses, if you would care to take a look a figures 4 and 7 the % infected abroad is much lower than 60% and declining if you compare to 2012
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
As far as I'm aware Farage never backed his 7,000 up with a source-he was wrong and should have done his research properly beforehand.
steveT350C said:
jjlynn27 said:
'Hepatitis B is equally devastating as HIV'.
That is wrong... Hepatitis B is a much bigger global concern than HIV.cookie118 said:
This was gone over what felt like a million times before
Farage was talking about the new cases per year, not the overall number so you're already quoting a source not related to his statement.
The official NHS numbers for 2013 stated 6000 new diagnoses, if you would care to take a look a figures 4 and 7 the % infected abroad is much lower than 60% and declining if you compare to 2012
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
As far as I'm aware Farage never backed his 7,000 up with a source-he was wrong and should have done his research properly beforehand.
what's funny with this stuff is that you link to a report, then can't even quote it accurately.Farage was talking about the new cases per year, not the overall number so you're already quoting a source not related to his statement.
The official NHS numbers for 2013 stated 6000 new diagnoses, if you would care to take a look a figures 4 and 7 the % infected abroad is much lower than 60% and declining if you compare to 2012
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
As far as I'm aware Farage never backed his 7,000 up with a source-he was wrong and should have done his research properly beforehand.
link said:
In 2013 in the UK, 6,000 people were diagnosed with HIV infection and 320 people were reported with AIDS.
so, that's 6,320.I would also argue the 6,000 figure is clearly not accurate, no way is it a round number, and reading the rest of the report, it's pretty much all best guess stuff.
as for the origins of the new diagnosis patients, it simply avoids getting into this, I assume for political reasons, (reading the whole report, there seems to be a lot of 'assumptions' built in to make it look like a domestic issue rather than an imported one, with phrases like "Numbers have been adjusted for missing exposure category and region of birth")
Look, you can huff and puff all you like, you cannot escape the simple fact that it's a problem, and one that costs the NHS a shed load.
But I guess you don't care about that, so long as you can continue to shriek out at Farage?
Axionknight said:
Greg66 said:
alfie2244 said:
What puzzles, yet at the same time amuses, me is why so many of you are so vociferous in your continued, vitriolic attacks on what they consider to be a no hope political party with a no hope leader....go figure.
Think of it more as charity work. Trying to help those who have been sucked in. Labour - no
Lib Dems - no
SNP - no
The Tories under Cameron? Genuinely laughable, a few overtures and soundbites, nawt more
Voting for parties like UKIP helps show the mainstream parties where the electorate are standing - the only problem is that they aren't listening. If anyone believes our current government is in favour of serious, meaningful and far reaching renegotiation then they must be potty, frankly.
If you are happy with our EU membership at present then by all means, vote for the usual suspects, let them know you support every closer union with our European....... friends.
jjlynn27 said:
steveT350C said:
jjlynn27 said:
'Hepatitis B is equally devastating as HIV'.
That is wrong... Hepatitis B is a much bigger global concern than HIV.I assume you are equating the use of the word 'devastating' with 'death'? An easy mistake to make if one works in the trolling field.
2 billion people have been infected with HepB virus compared with 37million with HIV.
According to the WHO, of those 2bn, an estimated 350million have chronic hepatitis and about 1million die annually compared with 1.5million from HIV.
steveT350C said:
jjlynn27 said:
steveT350C said:
jjlynn27 said:
'Hepatitis B is equally devastating as HIV'.
That is wrong... Hepatitis B is a much bigger global concern than HIV.I assume you are equating the use of the word 'devastating' with 'death'? An easy mistake to make if one works in the trolling field.
2 billion people have been infected with HepB virus compared with 37million with HIV.
According to the WHO, of those 2bn, an estimated 350million have chronic hepatitis and about 1million die annually compared with 1.5million from HIV.
I'm still waiting on maths showing how did they come up with figure of 59,300.
tangerine_sedge said:
Come on guys stay on topic. Less talk of aids and more talk of why the only elected ukip MP should have a pop at Herr Farage.
If only Herr Farage had managed to get himself elected at least once from the many times he tried, he could then look Carswell in the eye as an equal...
As the great man himself observed “It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat", so following that logic to it's conclusion, there's only one credible candidate for the leadership...If only Herr Farage had managed to get himself elected at least once from the many times he tried, he could then look Carswell in the eye as an equal...
RYH64E said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Come on guys stay on topic. Less talk of aids and more talk of why the only elected ukip MP should have a pop at Herr Farage.
If only Herr Farage had managed to get himself elected at least once from the many times he tried, he could then look Carswell in the eye as an equal...
As the great man himself observed “It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat", so following that logic to it's conclusion, there's only one credible candidate for the leadership...If only Herr Farage had managed to get himself elected at least once from the many times he tried, he could then look Carswell in the eye as an equal...
tangerine_sedge said:
Come on guys stay on topic. Less talk of aids and more talk of why the only elected ukip MP should have a pop at Herr Farage.
If only Herr Farage had managed to get himself elected at least once from the many times he tried, he could then look Carswell in the eye as an equal...
I think because DC knows that the Farage brand is toxic to the "Quit EU" campaign. There may well be many people who would otherwise be inclined to a "No" vote but can't align themselves to a party that is led by NF.If only Herr Farage had managed to get himself elected at least once from the many times he tried, he could then look Carswell in the eye as an equal...
Countdown said:
I think because DC knows that the Farage brand is toxic to the "Quit EU" campaign. There may well be many people who would otherwise be inclined to a "No" vote but can't align themselves to a party that is led by NF.
Dont believe that for a second. They are voting in a referendum, not for UKIP. Farage will just be one voice amongst many in the lead up to the referendum. How many people would be inclined to vote in, but then choose to vote out because Corbyn will speak (for Labour) on the in side? Countdown said:
I think because DC knows that the Farage brand is toxic to the "Quit EU" campaign. There may well be many people who would otherwise be inclined to a "No" vote but can't align themselves to a party that is led by NF.
simply don't buy that it's not like carswell is going around the country campaigning for EU exit is it? and yet Farage is doing ? nights a week campaigning, appearing almost every Public meeting, I think the whole thing about him being toxic is just dreamt up by people don't like him.Scuffers said:
Countdown said:
I think because DC knows that the Farage brand is toxic to the "Quit EU" campaign. There may well be many people who would otherwise be inclined to a "No" vote but can't align themselves to a party that is led by NF.
simply don't buy that it's not like carswell is going around the country campaigning for EU exit is it? and yet Farage is doing ? nights a week campaigning, appearing almost every Public meeting, I think the whole thing about him being toxic is just dreamt up by people don't like him.PRTVR said:
Scuffers said:
Countdown said:
I think because DC knows that the Farage brand is toxic to the "Quit EU" campaign. There may well be many people who would otherwise be inclined to a "No" vote but can't align themselves to a party that is led by NF.
simply don't buy that it's not like carswell is going around the country campaigning for EU exit is it? and yet Farage is doing ? nights a week campaigning, appearing almost every Public meeting, I think the whole thing about him being toxic is just dreamt up by people don't like him.Likewise they would vote out rather than in.
Almost tempted to start a poll.....almost.
ETA Doesn't seem to be an issue for Foxy
Edited by alfie2244 on Sunday 20th December 22:15
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