45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

[Hugo a Gogo]

however in the binary world of scherzkeks, we're monoculturally neoprogs

it's like raaaaaaaaiiin on yer wedding day

[Boring_Chris]

scherzkeks said:

In the binary world of the low-information neoprog, it is difficult to conceive that the CIA and FBI are not monocultures.

"In the binary world of X "

"it it difficult to conceive that the Y & Z are not monocultures"

Am I stupid, or is this a contradiction in terms?

[FredClogs]

Boring_Chris said:

scherzkeks said:

In the binary world of the low-information neoprog, it is difficult to conceive that the CIA and FBI are not monocultures.

"In the binary world of X "

"it it difficult to conceive that the Y & Z are not monocultures"

Am I stupid, or is this a contradiction in terms?

I fear you may have given in too much thought. It's gibberish.

[jmorgan]

Europa1 said:

scherzkeks said:

In the binary world of the low-information neoprog, it is difficult to conceive that the CIA and FBI are not monocultures.

Ah good, I needed to make a new bullst bingo card to brighten up dull meetings; here is a rich vein of material.

Neoprog, like prog rock? But in dayglo?

[Zod]

FredClogs said:

Boring_Chris said:

scherzkeks said:

In the binary world of the low-information neoprog, it is difficult to conceive that the CIA and FBI are not monocultures.

"In the binary world of X "

"it it difficult to conceive that the Y & Z are not monocultures"

Am I stupid, or is this a contradiction in terms?

I fear you may have given in too much thought. It's gibberish.

Like all of his outpourings here. Just remember, he's a 9-11 truther. That's all you need to know about him.

[anonymous-user]

First sign of the Republican party making a concerted effort to rally round Trump?

The two Republican congressmen who chair the House Oversight Committee and the House Judiciary Committee have called for an inquiry into whether the classified information that led to Gen Flynn having to resign was mishandled. This echoes Trump's tweet from yesterday about what the "real scandal" is here: not the wrongdoing itself, but that the wrongdoing was made public.

As Trump fired Flynn, he must necessarily accept that Flynn had done something warranting the sack. Or put another way, Trump had no reason to doubt the accuracy of the information that led to the sacking.

So the rationale for the inquiry is what? That it is better that sackable wrongdoing by senior members of the Govt should remain private, so that they do not have to be fired?

Bizarro-world strikes again.

[tommunster10]

scherzkeks said:

tommunster10 said:

Is it not phenomenal that Trump is slagging off the FBI? Shouldn't these guys and the Prez be as tight as a nun's habit?

In the binary world of the low-information neoprog, it is difficult to conceive that the CIA and FBI are not monocultures.

I understand what you're saying, but 'we' know the CIA and the FBI etc are corrupt in parts, be it wholesale or "few bad apples", but for the President of the USA to TELL us they are corrupt?!

You just don't...do you?

Also when did fake news not mean Viz, The Onion or Brass Eye and actually be used to call out anyone that disagrees with you?

[jmorgan]

Not being familiar with the US tax return thingamabob, if his returns were published, would any payments need to be listed?

[scherzkeks]

tommunster10 said:

scherzkeks said:

tommunster10 said:

Is it not phenomenal that Trump is slagging off the FBI? Shouldn't these guys and the Prez be as tight as a nun's habit?

In the binary world of the low-information neoprog, it is difficult to conceive that the CIA and FBI are not monocultures.

I understand what you're saying, but 'we' know the CIA and the FBI etc are corrupt in parts, be it wholesale or "few bad apples", but for the President of the USA to TELL us they are corrupt?!

You just don't...do you?

Also when did fake news not mean Viz, The Onion or Brass Eye and actually be used to call out anyone that disagrees with you?

With all due respect, "you just don't, do you" is not a convincing argument. I have no issue with the president or anyone in the upper echelons of the power structure calling them out. Corruption should not be swept under the rug. The panicked, knee-jerk response (such as the latest comments that the president will "die in a jail cell") is an indicator that the administration is on target with their approach.

Regarding fake news, certain MSM outlets earned their scarlett letter via numerous recent incidents of reporting false or misleading news. This development should concern everyone (not that it is new, of course -- the topic just has visibility at present).

[TTwiggy]

scherzkeks said:

Regarding fake news, certain MSM outlets earned their scarlett letter via numerous recent incidents of reporting false or misleading news. This development should concern everyone (not that it is new, of course -- the topic just has visibility at present).

I have no issue with anyone calling out the media on 'false news', but that's not exactly what Trump does, is it?

What he does is label any negative news 'false news' while taking top-level advice from senior Breitbart personnel. Breitbart being a website so defined by 'false news' that almost the only 'true' thing about it is its URL.

[scherzkeks]

TTwiggy said:

scherzkeks said:

Regarding fake news, certain MSM outlets earned their scarlett letter via numerous recent incidents of reporting false or misleading news. This development should concern everyone (not that it is new, of course -- the topic just has visibility at present).

I have no issue with anyone calling out the media on 'false news', but that's not exactly what Trump does, is it?

What he does is label any negative news 'false news' while taking top-level advice from senior Breitbart personnel. Breitbart being a website so defined by 'false news' that almost the only 'true' thing about it is its URL.

A fair point in some respects. I still don't know what to make of Bannon.

[TTwiggy]

scherzkeks said:

A fair point in some respects. I still don't know what to make of Bannon.

I think Bannon is a very dangerous man.

If I were American I would never have voted for Trump, and neither would I have voted for Hillary. But if I had voted for Trump I'd be very concerned that there's an unelected 'power behind the throne' potentially pulling his strings. Bannon has an agenda - I don't think it's a positive one.

[scherzkeks]

TTwiggy said:

scherzkeks said:

A fair point in some respects. I still don't know what to make of Bannon.

I think Bannon is a very dangerous man.

If I were American I would never have voted for Trump, and neither would I have voted for Hillary. But if I had voted for Trump I'd be very concerned that there's an unelected 'power behind the throne' potentially pulling his strings. Bannon has an agenda - I don't think it's a positive one.

I don't know. That is the latest narrative being breathlessly repeated across the MSM landscape. Many said the same of Cheney under Shrub (including me), though in that respect there was a fair amount of supporting evidence as well as PNAC cronies along for the ride.

[FredClogs]

Looks like Deutsche Bank might be getting ready to end Trumps bull st. He owes them a lot of money, they're investigating what was used to secure those loans - seems Russia is involved somewhere.

Edited by FredClogs on Thursday 16th February 15:55

[TTwiggy]

scherzkeks said:

TTwiggy said:

scherzkeks said:

A fair point in some respects. I still don't know what to make of Bannon.

I think Bannon is a very dangerous man.

If I were American I would never have voted for Trump, and neither would I have voted for Hillary. But if I had voted for Trump I'd be very concerned that there's an unelected 'power behind the throne' potentially pulling his strings. Bannon has an agenda - I don't think it's a positive one.

I don't know. That is the latest narrative being breathlessly repeated across the MSM landscape. Many said the same of Cheny under Shrub (including me), though in that respect there was a fair amount of supporting evidence as well as PNAC cronies along for the ride.

Put it this way. I start up a website with a clear alt-right/far-right slant that specialises in some very divisive rhetoric. Despite my total lack of any political training I become a key advisor to a Presidential candidate and, once he or she is elected, I manage to become one of the most senior people with his or her ear. Do you trust my intentions? Do you think they're entirely honourable?

It's like this thing about the chap with the Hungarian medal. Whether or not it should be something linked to the Nazis is probably open to debate. But you have to ask yourself why he would court the certain controversy by wearing it unless he intends to 'send a message' by doing so.

To make a much, much milder comparison, imagine if there was a UK MP or cabinet minister who always wore a Trade Union badge or a Suffragette pin. They could have any justifiable reason for doing so (and I'd never suggest that either was a negative thing) but it might be sending a message to some people that they 'had their back'.

[scherzkeks]

TTwiggy said:

scherzkeks said:

TTwiggy said:

scherzkeks said:

A fair point in some respects. I still don't know what to make of Bannon.

I think Bannon is a very dangerous man.

If I were American I would never have voted for Trump, and neither would I have voted for Hillary. But if I had voted for Trump I'd be very concerned that there's an unelected 'power behind the throne' potentially pulling his strings. Bannon has an agenda - I don't think it's a positive one.

I don't know. That is the latest narrative being breathlessly repeated across the MSM landscape. Many said the same of Cheny under Shrub (including me), though in that respect there was a fair amount of supporting evidence as well as PNAC cronies along for the ride.

Put it this way. I start up a website with a clear alt-right/far-right slant that specialises in some very divisive rhetoric. Despite my total lack of any political training I become a key advisor to a Presidential candidate and, once he or she is elected, I manage to become one of the most senior people with his or her ear. Do you trust my intentions? Do you think they're entirely honourable?

Bannon is Trump's David Brock. Does he have an agenda? Of course. Is it sinister? I have no idea. Bannon was heavily involved in campaign strategy and has been politically active for well over a decade. He is also heavily experienced in media. There could be many reasons why Trump listens to him.

TTwiggy said:

It's like this thing about the chap with the Hungarian medal. Whether or not it should be something linked to the Nazis is probably open to debate. But you have to ask yourself why he would court the certain controversy by wearing it unless he intends to 'send a message' by doing so.

I think that falls into the realm of hallucination. There could be many reasons why he is wearing it -- including the one he gave.

The media narrative however has already framed things for the reader, and they did it well in advance with Trump in general, so almost anything seems believable. We have, for example, people on the streets currently thinking they are saving civilization by "punching Nazis."

IMO, it looks like classic propaganda.

[Stickyfinger]

Blair and Alastair Campbell

[TTwiggy]

Stickyfinger said:

Blair and Alastair Campbell

Not in the same league IMHO. Campbell wasn't in a position to steer world politics for a start.

[FredClogs]

TTwiggy said:

Stickyfinger said:

Blair and Alastair Campbell

Not in the same league IMHO. Campbell wasn't in a position to steer world politics for a start.

Apart from supporting Burnley (which is a pretty major thing where I come from) Alistair Campbell had no evil intent to him on a wider social scale, he was an aggressive bully in and around Westminster and Fleet Street, but Bannon is a different level of nasty in the fact he's not only prepared to fake the news he's prepared to latch onto any cultural or social movement, no matter how morally compromised, to fulfill his aims. Campbell never set out to do harm to sections of the population.

Blair has 10 times the intellect Trump has, no matter how misguided. Make no mistake Trump is stupid, he's barely in control of his own mouth let alone the people around him.

[vetrof]

Trump should be called out every time he tries to abuse due process or do anything dodgy, so should anyone else. Trump may have a point about security services. But the constant accusations of everyone and everything being a Nazi is getting very tedious. I'm sure a lot of people will soon tune out to the real misdeeds of this administration if the hysteria continues.

As for the ever so superior celebrities who keep embarrassing themselves, well just STFU. Why do they think their opinions carry more weight than my accountant or my postman?

Sarah Silverman being the latest.
https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/8309231...