Suella Braverman: ‘Islamists are in charge’
Discussion
OzzyR1 said:
I have friends from a wide range of social backgrounds, countries of origin, religious beliefs etc.
One thing my friends all have in common, is that they are not a c**t.
It's not a big ask to not be a c**t, most people manage to do it as standard.
The religious fundementalists are at fault, even though they are a tiny minority - whether Muslim, Christian or other - f**king lunatics.
We think of Homo sapiens as the most intelligent, top of the food chain species, but at the same time we are still prepared to go to war about whose imaginary sky-friend/God is better on the basis of books allegedly written 2000 years ago.
It's absurd, if I was granted one wish it would be that all religion ceased worldwide.
One thing my friends all have in common, is that they are not a c**t.
It's not a big ask to not be a c**t, most people manage to do it as standard.
The religious fundementalists are at fault, even though they are a tiny minority - whether Muslim, Christian or other - f**king lunatics.
We think of Homo sapiens as the most intelligent, top of the food chain species, but at the same time we are still prepared to go to war about whose imaginary sky-friend/God is better on the basis of books allegedly written 2000 years ago.
It's absurd, if I was granted one wish it would be that all religion ceased worldwide.
I've always thought the same about religion as it can bring out the worst in people however so do many other topics. I do wonder whether some people just need a faith or belief system of some sort which is why we end up with people who are staunchly left or right, eco-warriors or conspiracy theorists.
Without religion it'd only manifest itself in other ways IMO with those types finding alternative outlets for their cope.
Kermit power said:
No, the difference is that they're easily identified as being a gang of Pakistanis and their victims are easily identified as being white, which makes it lovely and easy for the Daily Wail to scream about Islamist rape gangs stealing our women.
You say there were delays in prosecuting them through fear of repercussions and there may well have been, especially if their victims themselves weren't pressing charges, but then again there have been plenty of cases where white people have evaded prosecution for decades for exactly the same reason - Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith, various priests and teachers, etc, etc - so what makes the failings over Pakistani gangs anything particularly more serious?
Then there's the fact that they're singling out white girls as though that's indicative of some sort of race war. Do you honestly believe that, or can you accept that just maybe they, just like vile people of any other group, will seek out the weakest available victims to prey on?
Many of the people who do claim there's some sort of racial motive in Muslim men preying on white girls will also be the first in line to point to the way Muslim girls are tightly controlled by their families and made to wear a burka whether they want to or not and they may well be right to call them out on that, but there's no denying that a Muslim girl being controlled in that fashion is simply less available to being preyed on by non family members, is there?
People (mostly men, but not exclusively) who commit sex crimes against other people are complete scumbags, but whilst this one rare and very particular model of criminal behaviour might have been predominantly committed by Pakistani men, there is simply nothing at all to suggest that Pakistani men are any more or less likely overall to commit a sex crime than a man in any other demographic.
Ah, I get it. They prey on British girls because they're young sluts, while tightly-controlled devoted muslim girls aren't available as they are safely locked up in the home or battered to death if they even look at someone. You say there were delays in prosecuting them through fear of repercussions and there may well have been, especially if their victims themselves weren't pressing charges, but then again there have been plenty of cases where white people have evaded prosecution for decades for exactly the same reason - Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith, various priests and teachers, etc, etc - so what makes the failings over Pakistani gangs anything particularly more serious?
Then there's the fact that they're singling out white girls as though that's indicative of some sort of race war. Do you honestly believe that, or can you accept that just maybe they, just like vile people of any other group, will seek out the weakest available victims to prey on?
Many of the people who do claim there's some sort of racial motive in Muslim men preying on white girls will also be the first in line to point to the way Muslim girls are tightly controlled by their families and made to wear a burka whether they want to or not and they may well be right to call them out on that, but there's no denying that a Muslim girl being controlled in that fashion is simply less available to being preyed on by non family members, is there?
People (mostly men, but not exclusively) who commit sex crimes against other people are complete scumbags, but whilst this one rare and very particular model of criminal behaviour might have been predominantly committed by Pakistani men, there is simply nothing at all to suggest that Pakistani men are any more or less likely overall to commit a sex crime than a man in any other demographic.
Great explanation of a diabolical viewpiont.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Strange isn't it.
Braverman, Truss, and Anderson have all been peddling or endorsing a variety of Islamophobic, racist, and far right conspiracy theories this week but still people stick up for them.
That's a former Home Secretary a former Prime Minister and a recent Deputy Chair of the Conservative Party.
As someone pointed out if someone had written an article in a national newspaper titled "Jews are in charge of Britain now" there would be an expectation that they be kicked out.
Instead people defend this shower of dogst.
What has happened to them?
I think it just helps justify their own beliefs ably promoted and encouraged by a rabid right wing press.Braverman, Truss, and Anderson have all been peddling or endorsing a variety of Islamophobic, racist, and far right conspiracy theories this week but still people stick up for them.
That's a former Home Secretary a former Prime Minister and a recent Deputy Chair of the Conservative Party.
As someone pointed out if someone had written an article in a national newspaper titled "Jews are in charge of Britain now" there would be an expectation that they be kicked out.
Instead people defend this shower of dogs
t.What has happened to them?
Those who defend would be up on arms had a senior and prominent Labour MP said that “The Jews are in control of the Mayor and in control of London”.
We’d have endless pages by now of claims of antisemitism, racism and calls for immediate resignations but instead we have limp attempts of defending, deflecting and general s
thousery.stuckmojo said:
Ah, I get it. They prey on British girls because they're young sluts, while tightly-controlled devoted muslim girls aren't available as they are safely locked up in the home or battered to death if they even look at someone.
Great explanation of a diabolical viewpiont.
You can read into it whatever you want, but the point remains simple.Great explanation of a diabolical viewpiont.
1. People should not be scumbags who prey on other people.
2. If someone is going to be a scumbag then they're going to go out and prey on the vulnerable.
3. The fact that some crimes can be racially motivated does not automatically mean that all crimes where the perpetrators and victims are of different races does not automatically mean that the crime is racially motivated.
4. Most sex crimes are motivated either by sexual gratification or financial profit.
What makes it easier for scumbags - regardless of skin colour - to prey on white girls rather than Muslim girls, the rights and wrongs of what causes that or even whether there are more per capita at risk of being preyed on in one group or the other is a completely different conversation.
Kermit power said:
stuckmojo said:
Ah, I get it. They prey on British girls because they're young sluts, while tightly-controlled devoted muslim girls aren't available as they are safely locked up in the home or battered to death if they even look at someone.
Great explanation of a diabolical viewpiont.
You can read into it whatever you want, but the point remains simple.Great explanation of a diabolical viewpiont.
1. People should not be scumbags who prey on other people.
2. If someone is going to be a scumbag then they're going to go out and prey on the vulnerable.
3. The fact that some crimes can be racially motivated does not automatically mean that all crimes where the perpetrators and victims are of different races does not automatically mean that the crime is racially motivated.
4. Most sex crimes are motivated either by sexual gratification or financial profit.
What makes it easier for scumbags - regardless of skin colour - to prey on white girls rather than Muslim girls, the rights and wrongs of what causes that or even whether there are more per capita at risk of being preyed on in one group or the other is a completely different conversation.
They make the headlines
Obviously way more locals get caught and sent to prison.
If you just went by major press coverage then you’d assume all those messing with kids are white Australian males.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Strange isn't it.
Braverman, Truss, and Anderson have all been peddling or endorsing a variety of Islamophobic, racist, and far right conspiracy theories this week but still people stick up for them.
That's a former Home Secretary a former Prime Minister and a recent Deputy Chair of the Conservative Party.
As someone pointed out if someone had written an article in a national newspaper titled "Jews are in charge of Britain now" there would be an expectation that they be kicked out.
Instead people defend this shower of dogst.
What has happened to them?
It's interesting that it's all happening in the same week, it's like some terrible organised Tory in-fighting power-play. I'm not sure what they think they're going to achieve - it might attract a few racists, whilst simultaneously repulsing so many traditional Tory voters.Braverman, Truss, and Anderson have all been peddling or endorsing a variety of Islamophobic, racist, and far right conspiracy theories this week but still people stick up for them.
That's a former Home Secretary a former Prime Minister and a recent Deputy Chair of the Conservative Party.
As someone pointed out if someone had written an article in a national newspaper titled "Jews are in charge of Britain now" there would be an expectation that they be kicked out.
Instead people defend this shower of dogs
t.What has happened to them?
What's depressing is that there are a few very vocal PHers who seem to lap this blatantly racist stuff up. As pointed out several times on various threads, they post among us.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Strange isn't it.
Braverman, Truss, and Anderson have all been peddling or endorsing a variety of Islamophobic, racist, and far right conspiracy theories this week but still people stick up for them.
That's a former Home Secretary a former Prime Minister and a recent Deputy Chair of the Conservative Party.
As someone pointed out if someone had written an article in a national newspaper titled "Jews are in charge of Britain now" there would be an expectation that they be kicked out.
Instead people defend this shower of dogst.
What has happened to them?
A bit like supporting Starmer and his muppets for their disgraceful behaviour with the Speaker. Or the vile members of the Labour Party spouting their antisemetic nonsense Braverman, Truss, and Anderson have all been peddling or endorsing a variety of Islamophobic, racist, and far right conspiracy theories this week but still people stick up for them.
That's a former Home Secretary a former Prime Minister and a recent Deputy Chair of the Conservative Party.
As someone pointed out if someone had written an article in a national newspaper titled "Jews are in charge of Britain now" there would be an expectation that they be kicked out.
Instead people defend this shower of dogs
t.What has happened to them?
Remember when there was all the singing and dancing on here about joining Labour to vote in Corbyn as leader and make them unelectable for generations.
The gloating and hand rubbing was palpable.
Well, Braverman is the right wing Corbyn equivalent (for me at least). I will never vote for any party with a right or left wing loon as leader. Didn't with Corbyn, won't with Braverman.
The gloating and hand rubbing was palpable.
Well, Braverman is the right wing Corbyn equivalent (for me at least). I will never vote for any party with a right or left wing loon as leader. Didn't with Corbyn, won't with Braverman.
86 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Strange isn't it.
Braverman, Truss, and Anderson have all been peddling or endorsing a variety of Islamophobic, racist, and far right conspiracy theories this week but still people stick up for them.
That's a former Home Secretary a former Prime Minister and a recent Deputy Chair of the Conservative Party.
As someone pointed out if someone had written an article in a national newspaper titled "Jews are in charge of Britain now" there would be an expectation that they be kicked out.
Instead people defend this shower of dogst.
What has happened to them?
A bit like supporting Starmer and his muppets for their disgraceful behaviour with the Speaker. Or the vile members of the Labour Party spouting their antisemetic nonsense Braverman, Truss, and Anderson have all been peddling or endorsing a variety of Islamophobic, racist, and far right conspiracy theories this week but still people stick up for them.
That's a former Home Secretary a former Prime Minister and a recent Deputy Chair of the Conservative Party.
As someone pointed out if someone had written an article in a national newspaper titled "Jews are in charge of Britain now" there would be an expectation that they be kicked out.
Instead people defend this shower of dogs
t.What has happened to them?
How/why do so many of you seem to know/listen to Suella and Kemi?
I can, and do, get through the vast majority of my days without hearing or thinking about either of them. Without reading anything they have written or said.
For 2 ppl who have such a materially minimal impact upon British life - including their time in govt - they seemingly manage to excite so many of you.
I just don’t get it.
I can, and do, get through the vast majority of my days without hearing or thinking about either of them. Without reading anything they have written or said.
For 2 ppl who have such a materially minimal impact upon British life - including their time in govt - they seemingly manage to excite so many of you.
I just don’t get it.
jdw100 said:
Kermit power said:
stuckmojo said:
Ah, I get it. They prey on British girls because they're young sluts, while tightly-controlled devoted muslim girls aren't available as they are safely locked up in the home or battered to death if they even look at someone.
Great explanation of a diabolical viewpiont.
You can read into it whatever you want, but the point remains simple.Great explanation of a diabolical viewpiont.
1. People should not be scumbags who prey on other people.
2. If someone is going to be a scumbag then they're going to go out and prey on the vulnerable.
3. The fact that some crimes can be racially motivated does not automatically mean that all crimes where the perpetrators and victims are of different races does not automatically mean that the crime is racially motivated.
4. Most sex crimes are motivated either by sexual gratification or financial profit.
What makes it easier for scumbags - regardless of skin colour - to prey on white girls rather than Muslim girls, the rights and wrongs of what causes that or even whether there are more per capita at risk of being preyed on in one group or the other is a completely different conversation.
They make the headlines
Obviously way more locals get caught and sent to prison.
If you just went by major press coverage then you’d assume all those messing with kids are white Australian males.
By and large it either requires the abuse to be particularly horrific or for the perpetrator to be in one or more of the following groups:
1. People in positions of power such as cops or MPs.
2. Celebs.
3. People with a duty of care towards the children of others (teachers, youth club leaders etc).
4. Massively prolific offenders, including people doing it for financial gain.
5. People working in groups.
I think it's the reporting of that last that seems to cause a distorted view.
Horrendous cases like this one will be widely reported on at the time but then fade pretty rapidly from the public memory because they are something that happens to "others", not to us or out children. They didn't have the heartbreaking photos of pretty missing kids like Soham or the sense of moral judgement tinged with the nagging guilt that we might well have done the same of Maddie McCann, and crucially it didn't have a racial element that makes it easy for right wingers to find and riff off whenever they want to in the future.
It would be really fascinating to work out the average column inches per perpetrator over the past couple of decades for celebs like Savile, gangs like the Glasgow one where offenders and victims are of the same ethnic group, gangs where they are of different ethnic groups and just individual offenders.
DeejRC said:
How/why do so many of you seem to know/listen to Suella and Kemi?
I can, and do, get through the vast majority of my days without hearing or thinking about either of them. Without reading anything they have written or said.
For 2 ppl who have such a materially minimal impact upon British life - including their time in govt - they seemingly manage to excite so many of you.
I just don’t get it.
Braverman was Home Secretary until very recently.I can, and do, get through the vast majority of my days without hearing or thinking about either of them. Without reading anything they have written or said.
For 2 ppl who have such a materially minimal impact upon British life - including their time in govt - they seemingly manage to excite so many of you.
I just don’t get it.
She's still a sitting MP and has just written an Islamophobic dog whistle article in a national newspaper.
Sunak has done nothing about it.
Not even a whimper.
That might not bother you and you can do the whole "why are you bothered by it" thing but it does bother some people.
valiant said:
had a senior and prominent Labour MP said that “The Jews are in control of the Mayor and in control of London”.
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What, like if Jeremy Corbyn had endorsed a mural depicting the 'new world order' or written a foreword in an book that talks about the Jews controlling the world?.
I don't know how anyone can look at any of our current crop of politicians of any party and think "yeah, these are the people to run the country".
Oakey said:
What, like if Jeremy Corbyn had endorsed a mural depicting the 'new world order' or written a foreword in an book that talks about the Jews controlling the world?
I don't know how anyone can look at any of our current crop of politicians of any party and think "yeah, these are the people to run the country".
Exactly. You read all the hand wringing and wailing on here about a potential Labour government, and want to scratch your head in bemusement and say erm, have you seen the set of useless muppets currently running the country?I don't know how anyone can look at any of our current crop of politicians of any party and think "yeah, these are the people to run the country".
None of them are fit for purpose and it's a full on, multi-colour excrement buffet as a choice at the next election for those without team colours.
Please god a good independent stands in my ward.
Oakey said:
What, like if Jeremy Corbyn had endorsed a mural depicting the 'new world order' or written a foreword in an book that talks about the Jews controlling the world?
I don't know how anyone can look at any of our current crop of politicians of any party and think "yeah, these are the people to run the country".
Yes Oakey exactly like that.I don't know how anyone can look at any of our current crop of politicians of any party and think "yeah, these are the people to run the country".
Corbyn was completely and utterly unfit for office.
Whilst people like you promote and endorse the kind of filth Braverman wrote.
86 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Strange isn't it.
Braverman, Truss, and Anderson have all been peddling or endorsing a variety of Islamophobic, racist, and far right conspiracy theories this week but still people stick up for them.
That's a former Home Secretary a former Prime Minister and a recent Deputy Chair of the Conservative Party.
As someone pointed out if someone had written an article in a national newspaper titled "Jews are in charge of Britain now" there would be an expectation that they be kicked out.
Instead people defend this shower of dogst.
What has happened to them?
A bit like supporting Starmer and his muppets for their disgraceful behaviour with the Speaker. Or the vile members of the Labour Party spouting their antisemetic nonsense Braverman, Truss, and Anderson have all been peddling or endorsing a variety of Islamophobic, racist, and far right conspiracy theories this week but still people stick up for them.
That's a former Home Secretary a former Prime Minister and a recent Deputy Chair of the Conservative Party.
As someone pointed out if someone had written an article in a national newspaper titled "Jews are in charge of Britain now" there would be an expectation that they be kicked out.
Instead people defend this shower of dogs
t.What has happened to them?
To be honest, I'd not really understood what actually happened until I listened to this week's News Quiz, which did a remarkably good job of explaining it.
The analogy went along the lines of this...
Everyone wants to save puppies, but the SNP tabled an amendment saying "we want to save puppies and ban abortion" so that when Labour refused to vote for banning abortion, they could scream at them for hating puppies, whilst the Tories wanted Labour forced to vote to save puppies so that they could scream at them for banning abortion. The speaker then did the unforgivable by letting a Labour amendment in that called to save puppies whilst saying that people should thing long and hard before having an abortion on a day which should have been one of the SNP's 3 days to get what they wanted.
If the Speaker can manage to bring the Tories and SNP into complete agreement, maybe they should send him out to Gaza as he'll likely have the Israelis and Palestinians all singing kumbaya together within 15 minutes of arriving!
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Yes Oakey exactly like that.
Corbyn was completely and utterly unfit for office.
Whilst people like you promote and endorse the kind of filth Braverman wrote.
Endorse it how? You're better than this. Instead of attacking me personally and claiming I said things I didn't (ie. "Muslims are taking over the world and Zuckerberg is building a bunker to get away from them") why don't you pick any single point I made and refute it?Corbyn was completely and utterly unfit for office.
Whilst people like you promote and endorse the kind of filth Braverman wrote.
You couldn't even answer the question as to whether you think everything is okay in the world right now.
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