Linda Norgrove.....
Discussion
jmorgan said:
Ayahuasca said:
How many sucessful hostage rescues have ever been carried out by US forces?
I don't know and would like to know. Many keep using this to beat them with.Not an arsy reply, genuine question.
Iranian Hostages - disaster, lots of dead soldiers
I am struggling to think of a successful one.
Ayahuasca said:
jmorgan said:
Ayahuasca said:
How many sucessful hostage rescues have ever been carried out by US forces?
I don't know and would like to know. Many keep using this to beat them with.Not an arsy reply, genuine question.
Iranian Hostages - disaster, lots of dead soldiers
I am struggling to think of a successful one.
The only reason they have disasters is that they are the only ones who have the logs to go for the big hi risk ops...
waco was nout to do with sf/seals btw.
Here:-
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/pedros.htm
(FYI some these guys are now KIA.)
waco was nout to do with sf/seals btw.
Here:-
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/pedros.htm
(FYI some these guys are now KIA.)
DonkeyApple said:
armynick said:
I see that everyone is whining in the press today about this woman's death.
Has anyone mentioned the fact that if she hadn't refused her ex-pat provided security, like she always did, wandering around a war torn Muslim couuntry where, except for Kabul, most women are confined to their compound, thinking she's untouchable, she most likely would never have been kidnapped in the first place.
She only has herself to blame. Someone ought to tell the family, so they don't torture themselves anymore with this issue and let in rest.
A wild stab in the dark but you weren't by any chance in the Irish Rangers many moons ago?Has anyone mentioned the fact that if she hadn't refused her ex-pat provided security, like she always did, wandering around a war torn Muslim couuntry where, except for Kabul, most women are confined to their compound, thinking she's untouchable, she most likely would never have been kidnapped in the first place.
She only has herself to blame. Someone ought to tell the family, so they don't torture themselves anymore with this issue and let in rest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_special...
Doesn't even mention the best sf force ever!!
This one!!!
Doesn't even mention the best sf force ever!!
This one!!!
Found one - US forces rescued a Polish businessman called Jersy Kos.
And they filmed it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5tnn4ua9Lc
And they filmed it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5tnn4ua9Lc
Halb said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_special...
Doesn't even mention the best sf force ever!!
This one!!!
Quite a long list of special units.Doesn't even mention the best sf force ever!!
This one!!!
They even have a unit for rescuing people in wheelchairs: United States Air Force Pararescue
Ayahuasca said:
jmorgan said:
Ayahuasca said:
How many sucessful hostage rescues have ever been carried out by US forces?
I don't know and would like to know. Many keep using this to beat them with.Not an arsy reply, genuine question.
Iranian Hostages - disaster, lots of dead soldiers
I am struggling to think of a successful one.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30178013/
Parachuting into the sea at night
Climbing onto a ship
Headshotting 3 pirates in the dark on choppy seas
Rescuing the sailor
Pretty damn fine work!
Whilst it would have been preferable to have had a covert approach with a specialist hostage rescue team and a helicopter extraction that was for some reason either not possible or not selected. End result the death of a woman trying to make a difference to the people of Afghanistan but that’s how it would have ended in a couple of months had no rescue attempt happened.
Ayahuasca said:
jmorgan said:
Ayahuasca said:
How many sucessful hostage rescues have ever been carried out by US forces?
I don't know and would like to know. Many keep using this to beat them with.Not an arsy reply, genuine question.
Iranian Hostages - disaster, lots of dead soldiers
I am struggling to think of a successful one.
Just wondering.
tty comments re-guys who have saved UK soldiers lives and are now unfortunately KIA, but guess that's PH diversity for ya!NoNeed said:
Mojocvh said:
An unfortunate accident of WAR.
I supose there is a natural desire to save a hostage and to find, catch, punish the bad guys but what equation says her life is worth more than however many US troops who risked death?
Is the pain of several American families on hearing the death of their relatives (as in the case any had been killed in the attempt) less than that of her family?
Especially given the factor that they would have had little choice and were sent in due to her actions whereas she had the choice not to be there in the 1st place, as with the journalist who got others killed when his risky business went bad . . .
Soldiers have a choice too. They don't have to join up! Shall we ban all aid workers then?
The risk assessment in this case was a cock-up. That's why CMD looked a pale colour of sh*te yesterday.
1 hostage is gonna be high risk in any assessment.
For example, if there had been say 4 or 5 hostages and just one had been killed, you would now be hearing about a 90 per cent successful intervention.
In the Norgrove episode it can only be looked at in one way: 100 per cent failure!
The risk assessment in this case was a cock-up. That's why CMD looked a pale colour of sh*te yesterday.
1 hostage is gonna be high risk in any assessment.
For example, if there had been say 4 or 5 hostages and just one had been killed, you would now be hearing about a 90 per cent successful intervention.
In the Norgrove episode it can only be looked at in one way: 100 per cent failure!
dandarez said:
Soldiers have a choice too. They don't have to join up! Shall we ban all aid workers then?
The risk assessment in this case was a cock-up. That's why CMD looked a pale colour of sh*te yesterday.
1 hostage is gonna be high risk in any assessment.
For example, if there had been say 4 or 5 hostages and just one had been killed, you would now be hearing about a 90 per cent successful intervention.
In the Norgrove episode it can only be looked at in one way: 100 per cent failure!
Disagree. Soldiers don't join up (and once they have don't have much control over where/ what they are deployed to) to save rescue workers!The risk assessment in this case was a cock-up. That's why CMD looked a pale colour of sh*te yesterday.
1 hostage is gonna be high risk in any assessment.
For example, if there had been say 4 or 5 hostages and just one had been killed, you would now be hearing about a 90 per cent successful intervention.
In the Norgrove episode it can only be looked at in one way: 100 per cent failure!
I didn't imply they should be banned FFS. Just that she/they choose to do what they do knowing (or should) how risky it is so shouldn't expect to have others put at risk to rescue them if it goes tits up.
Brave? Yes. Caring? Yes. Dedicated? Yes. Selfless? Yes? Foolhardy? Yes.
The "100% failure" started with her decision to go where she did, compounded by her refusal for security if Andynick's info. is right
Edited by Lost_BMW on Wednesday 13th October 00:05
"The risk assessment in this case"
How Nulabia.
It's not conkers you know; both you, and I, as "outsiders", never mind westerners, wouldn't survive 18 hours in some of those places.
You CANNOT transfer western ideologically to these people, those guys tried their damnest to save a woman and failed. If she was a victim of friendly fire DON'T blame the rescuers or those that authorised the attempt to save her life.
As for those mullah's who have been quoted, FFS get real.
How Nulabia.
It's not conkers you know; both you, and I, as "outsiders", never mind westerners, wouldn't survive 18 hours in some of those places.
You CANNOT transfer western ideologically to these people, those guys tried their damnest to save a woman and failed. If she was a victim of friendly fire DON'T blame the rescuers or those that authorised the attempt to save her life.
As for those mullah's who have been quoted, FFS get real.
Tiggsy said:
Lost_BMW said:
Disagree. Soldiers don't join up (and once they have don't have much control over where/ what they are deployed to) to save rescue workers!
They do today....since 2001, you join up to do a nasty job in the desert. Not free ski lessons and seeing the world.Tiggsy said:
Lost_BMW said:
Disagree. Soldiers don't join up (and once they have don't have much control over where/ what they are deployed to) to save rescue workers!
They do today....since 2001, you join up to do a nasty job in the desert. Not free ski lessons and seeing the world.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff