Lost Prophets singer charged

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Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

169 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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I am not going to read the notes. His case was high profile because he is famous-ish. Are there any similar cases that we haven't heard about because we have never heard of the perpetrator or would we always get to hear about such a case?

Ali G

3,526 posts

284 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Worse than Liam Brady?

Pesty

42,655 posts

258 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Why is everybody trying to play sick fk top trumps.


There is a line that is crossed and once it is levels, of sickness no longer matter.

Lock them away for life and forget about them.

WCZ

10,567 posts

196 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Ali G said:
Worse than Liam Brady?
the Irish football player? much worse!

Catz

4,812 posts

213 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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elephantstone said:
Willhire89 said:
Here are the sentencing remarks from the judge

IMPORTANT - Do NOT read this if you will be upset by the detail of exactly what these babies were subjected to.

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Document...

Watkins should never be released in my view
Jesus fking christ.
I might regret asking this but I can't seem to load that file.
Is my comp trying to tell me something?

Ali G

3,526 posts

284 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Because the level of sentence requires there to be a correlation with the degree of, not sure how to put this, but 'nastiness' and (perhaps) potential for rehabilitation.

audidoody

8,597 posts

258 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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I can't load it either. I'll take that as a sign from Above that I should avoid it.

egor110

16,929 posts

205 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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catso said:
evilmunkey said:
holy fking st !! i have just read the Judiciary. he needs putting down as do he 2 animals who were sentenced with him. there's no rehabilitating that, i dont care what any yogurt knitter may think.
Agreed, I only read enough to know the sort of stuff he did, there is no Hell bad enough for this sick bastid. I hope (but doubt) that he will spend his time in prison in absolute misery/agony.
Why do you want him to spend his time in prison in misery?

fk that we should bring back capital punishment for a few choice crimes and if your found guilty just take them down to the cells and shoot them, no emotion, no paying to keep them in prison for decades as there hardly going to be rehabilitated are they?

Just serve them there sentance and despatch them swiftly with as little fuss as possible.

audidoody

8,597 posts

258 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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I can't load it either. I'll take that as a sign from Above that I should avoid it.

Ali G

3,526 posts

284 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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WCZ said:
Ali G said:
Worse than Liam Brady?
the Irish football player? much worse!
Oops!

Many apologies to Liam, I meant Ian Brady - infamous for the (Saddleworth) moors murders.

Sorry again.

I'll get me coat...




Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

172 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Mastodon2 said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
There's 2 things going on here. Him in denial. And the system over-reacting. The sentence is crazy, compared to other heinous crimes.
Is this for real or just trolling?
Are you for real or just incapable of independent thought - Just because I don't play all North Korea mob mentality and pretend to be more outraged than the next person under pain of death?

Really, is it so unbelievable to say that an obviously deranged bloke is in denial about his offending, but also that the sentence appears disproportionate. Is that really such an unreasonable view?

On the second point I was certainly right anyway, the 36 years as originally reported is actually 'only' 29 in jail which seems more in line with what I would expect.

Phil Dicky

7,162 posts

265 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Ali G said:
Worse than Liam Brady?
I'm well aware of the details of these cases too, I would say cut from the same cloth....I'm assuming we are talking about 'Ian'

Edited by Phil Dicky on Wednesday 18th December 22:27

catso

14,804 posts

269 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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egor110 said:
Why do you want him to spend his time in prison in misery?

fk that we should bring back capital punishment for a few choice crimes and if your found guilty just take them down to the cells and shoot them, no emotion, no paying to keep them in prison for decades as there hardly going to be rehabilitated are they?

Just serve them there sentance and despatch them swiftly with as little fuss as possible.
I agree, kill the stbag but as that's not going to happen the best I can hope for is eternal suffering.

GALLARDOGUY

8,160 posts

221 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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WCZ said:
Ali G said:
Worse than Liam Brady?
the Irish football player? much worse!
He did play for arsenal though...

Aphex

2,160 posts

202 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Are you for real or just incapable of independent thought - Just because I don't play all North Korea mob mentality and pretend to be more outraged than the next person under pain of death?

Really, is it so unbelievable to say that an obviously deranged bloke is in denial about his offending, but also that the sentence appears disproportionate. Is that really such an unreasonable view?

On the second point I was certainly right anyway, the 36 years as originally reported is actually 'only' 29 in jail which seems more in line with what I would expect.
It's more than just one count though.

Personally, it's a high profile case, I believe an example was made of them all and that if the perpetrator was not in the public eye the sentence would have been reduced.

im

34,302 posts

219 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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GALLARDOGUY said:
WCZ said:
Ali G said:
Worse than Liam Brady?
the Irish football player? much worse!
He did play for arsenal though...
Yeah, lets call it a draw.

Mastodon2

13,845 posts

167 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Are you for real or just incapable of independent thought - Just because I don't play all North Korea mob mentality and pretend to be more outraged than the next person under pain of death?

Really, is it so unbelievable to say that an obviously deranged bloke is in denial about his offending, but also that the sentence appears disproportionate. Is that really such an unreasonable view?

On the second point I was certainly right anyway, the 36 years as originally reported is actually 'only' 29 in jail which seems more in line with what I would expect.
It sounds like you're attempting to rationalise and minimise what he has done, you should be a defence lawyer. This sick Welshman is one of the vilest men to have come to trial in the UK, pleading guilty to some of the most depraved and appalling crimes possible, and you don't think sending this sick freak to the slammer for next 30 odd years is a good thing? The problem here is not that Watkins' sentence is too harsh, it's that sentencing for others has been too soft. Why you seem aggrieved that he is in jail for such a long time is a mystery to me - the man clearly is and will always be a danger to the vulnerable, and is of no benefit to society.

Ali G

3,526 posts

284 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Phil Dicky said:
Ali G said:
Worse than Liam Brady?
I'm well aware of the details of these cases too, I would say cut from the same cloth....I'm assuming we are talking about 'Ian'

Edited by Phil Dicky on Wednesday 18th December 22:27
Yes - Ian Brady/Myra Hindley.

Although deeply unpleasant, I do not think this case comes close.

gpo746

3,397 posts

132 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Ali G said:
Phil Dicky said:
Ali G said:
Worse than Liam Brady?
I'm well aware of the details of these cases too, I would say cut from the same cloth....I'm assuming we are talking about 'Ian'

Edited by Phil Dicky on Wednesday 18th December 22:27
Yes - Ian Brady/Myra Hindley.

Although deeply unpleasant, I do not think this case comes close.
Partly perhaps because he was stopped before he could do worse ?

im

34,302 posts

219 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Mastodon2 said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Are you for real or just incapable of independent thought - Just because I don't play all North Korea mob mentality and pretend to be more outraged than the next person under pain of death?

Really, is it so unbelievable to say that an obviously deranged bloke is in denial about his offending, but also that the sentence appears disproportionate. Is that really such an unreasonable view?

On the second point I was certainly right anyway, the 36 years as originally reported is actually 'only' 29 in jail which seems more in line with what I would expect.
It sounds like you're attempting to rationalise and minimise what he has done, you should be a defence lawyer. This sick Welshman is one of the vilest men to have come to trial in the UK, pleading guilty to some of the most depraved and appalling crimes possible, and you don't think sending this sick freak to the slammer for next 30 odd years is a good thing? The problem here is not that Watkins' sentence is too harsh, it's that sentencing for others has been too soft. Why you seem aggrieved that he is in jail for such a long time is a mystery to me - the man clearly is and will always be a danger to the vulnerable, and is of no benefit to society.
Alas you can never argue with the 'lock 'em up and throw away the key' brigade.

He's 36 years old and will be perhaps 65 when he gets out on licence...no money, no fame, no influence and with notoriety following him wherever he goes.

The sentence is...scratchchin...fair to slightly harsh.