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iSore said:
I'm a lifelong Tory voter but despite much piss taking initially, I'm increasingly listening to what he has to say. I don't agree with a lot of it but he's far from the clown Michael Foot was.
As for the train thing - well, he hasn't exactly started a war has he?
He's no chance of getting in, but he's worth five or ten Andy Burnhams or Chukka Ummumammunnas.
What exactly has he said that causes you to increase your listening?As for the train thing - well, he hasn't exactly started a war has he?
He's no chance of getting in, but he's worth five or ten Andy Burnhams or Chukka Ummumammunnas.
Toaster said:
Johnnytheboy said:
I don't think Corbyn planned anything, because I don't think he is behind his own success, I think that's down to other people. He's just a confused old man being carried along by other, more sinister people.
Nothing like throwing in an ageist comment along wth a conspiracy theory 
).Still waiting for you and JawKnee to answer the direct questions put to both of you regarding Jezza's suitability as PM....
138k a year corbyn, the man with a pension so large the rest of us arnt even allowed to save that much, says he's not wealthy... what a complete fvcking tool. Fvck you Jeremy and the cretins who support you.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/26/jeremy-...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/26/jeremy-...
Talksteer said:
The government can repeal the fixed term parliament act or it could pass a law stating the date of the election with a straight vote in the house.
Parliament is sovereign!
The Government could repeal the Fixed Term Parliament Act but this would not restore the old system of the PM asking The Queen to dissolve Parliament as this power was abolished.Parliament is sovereign!
The Government would have to both repeal the FTPA and introduce a new Act governing how Parliament can be dissolved. This can be done but would not happen quickly. It could take a year to clear Parliament.
https://constitution-unit.com/2015/05/22/can-david...
https://fullfact.org/law/could-next-prime-minister...
ThunderGuts said:
ThunderGuts said:
Toaster, would you vote for Corbyn to be PM?
P5BNij said:
You seem to conveniently forget that Corbyn's own team have used his age as an excuse for him not to attend interviews or meetings in recent months.... make up your mind Toaster, you can't have it both ways (as you are so fond of saying ).
Still waiting for you and JawKnee to answer the direct questions put to both of you regarding Jezza's suitability as PM....
).Still waiting for you and JawKnee to answer the direct questions put to both of you regarding Jezza's suitability as PM....
as I pointed out he is up (again) for leader of the Labour party not PM ask me again when there's and election in progress and if he is still leaderJohnnytheboy said:
And there, folks, is the problem. People that don't think this is the same thing.
I don't think you get it Jonnnyboy, just because your leader of a political party doesn't make you a PM so no it isn't the same thing. You can be leader of an opposition party promote your views and values but still do not make it to PM an example is when was the last time the leader of the green party PM? What this country needs is proportional representation that way you would get a better balance
Toaster said:
ThunderGuts said:
ThunderGuts said:
Toaster, would you vote for Corbyn to be PM?
Does this make it easier to comprehend...
Can conceive of a party in power which has Corbyn at the helm?
Toaster said:
I don't think you get it Jonnnyboy, just because your leader of a political party doesn't make you a PM so no it isn't the same thing. You can be leader of an opposition party promote your views and values but still do not make it to PM an example is when was the last time the leader of the green party PM?
What this country needs is proportional representation that way you would get a better balance
Do you genuinely think a Corbyn led Labour party with the influence of the Greens a good idea?What this country needs is proportional representation that way you would get a better balance
When he has completed alienating vast swathes of the former core vote, and sit as a smug principled pressure group, where do you think those voters will go? Which party has been hoovering up the disaffected working class vote lately?
Toaster said:
Johnnytheboy said:
And there, folks, is the problem. People that don't think this is the same thing.
I don't think you get it Jonnnyboy, just because your leader of a political party doesn't make you a PM so no it isn't the same thing. You can be leader of an opposition party promote your views and values but still do not make it to PM an example is when was the last time the leader of the green party PM? What this country needs is proportional representation that way you would get a better balance
The idea of democracy is to win elections. If you make your party unelectable, you can have whatever fantastic policies you like (missile subs with no missiles, for example) but you won't get to enact them.
Most Corbyn supporters simply don't grasp this, and it baffles me.
If you want to be a pressure group, be a pressure group.
If you want to be a political party, you need to win elections against other parties, not just internal ones.
ThunderGuts said:
The fact you ducked and swerved speaks volumes.
No not at all, I have seen both Smiths and Corbyns leadership papers and to be honest they both look very similar so until the Labour party has selected a leader and a general election campaign is underway how can you decide. So no its not ducking or swerving its not a personality vote it should be done on policies presented on what will help every one (Country) the most. Toaster said:
P5BNij said:
You seem to conveniently forget that Corbyn's own team have used his age as an excuse for him not to attend interviews or meetings in recent months.... make up your mind Toaster, you can't have it both ways (as you are so fond of saying ).
Still waiting for you and JawKnee to answer the direct questions put to both of you regarding Jezza's suitability as PM....
).Still waiting for you and JawKnee to answer the direct questions put to both of you regarding Jezza's suitability as PM....
as I pointed out he is up (again) for leader of the Labour party not PM ask me again when there's and election in progress and if he is still leaderkj,mmmm
What this country needs is proportional representation that way you would get a better balance So you want Labour to let the Tories take all responsibility for governing the country?
Labour will be torn apart by selfish social justice warriors who oppose everything and nothing from the luxurious comfort of the opposition benches while traditional Labour voters cry out for a government that works for them.
Right now, the Tories look a better bet to the latter.
Toaster said:
Johnnytheboy said:
And there, folks, is the problem. People that don't think this is the same thing.
I don't think you get it Jonnnyboy, just because your leader of a political party doesn't make you a PM so no it isn't the same thing. You can be leader of an opposition party promote your views and values but still do not make it to PM an example is when was the last time the leader of the green party PM? What this country needs is proportional representation that way you would get a better balance
Labour will be torn apart by selfish social justice warriors who oppose everything and nothing from the luxurious comfort of the opposition benches while traditional Labour voters cry out for a government that works for them.
Right now, the Tories look a better bet to the latter.
Talksteer said:
The government can repeal the fixed term parliament act or it could pass a law stating the date of the election with a straight vote in the house.
Parliament is sovereign!
I imagine (and hope) that the HoL would probably throw out such change, as shameless political advantage-gaining. Parliament is sovereign!
The commons could eventually force it of course, but AIUI that requires a general election first, so I doubt that the government could actually bring an early election just because they thought it would be better for their party.
P5BNij said:
I'm asking you now, why do you think he is worthy of becoming this country's PM? The whole point of a political party under our current system is to gain power and use it, not be in opposition forever, you do get that don't you..?
My comments have been to point out that the negative comments made up against this man may be ill founded I haven't said that he should be PM but in someways how refreshing would that be 
As I pointed out above:
I have seen both Smiths and Corbyns leadership papers and to be honest they both look very similar so until the Labour party has selected a leader and a general election campaign is underway how can you decide. So no its not ducking or swerving its not a personality vote it should be done on policies presented on what will help every one (Country) the most.
Labour will decide who they have as a leader and then if you support that party at the next general election they may win then again they may not, thats why its an election........
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