UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda

[Mortarboard]

Under the Rwanda plan, successful asylum seekers would be sent to Rwanda. At least, that was the plan in the beginning. When did that change?

M.

[Jeanboi]

Mortarboard said:

Jeanboi said:

Something tells me you're not without your own (lets put this politely) 'prejudices'....................

That's what it is, it's facilitating people trafficking it.

Insinuate all you like. It merely colors in your lines for everyone else.


M.

What, exactly, is it that you are defining as 'people trafficking'?
If Ireland wants rid of some immigrants, and thinks they've come via the UK, would you consider their sending these people back to the UK (which is only a transitory location to them, not their home and not, it appears, their desired destination) as 'people trafficking' too? Or is that different somehow?

You're colouring in your own lines pal!

[Vanden Saab]

Mortarboard said:

Under the Rwanda plan, successful asylum seekers would be sent to Rwanda. At least, that was the plan in the beginning. When did that change?

M.

It never was. And is not now. There is no change just you getting it wrong, again.

[Oakey]

Jeanboi said:

What, exactly, is it that you are defining as 'people trafficking'?
If Ireland wants rid of some immigrants, and thinks they've come via the UK, would you consider their sending these people back to the UK (which is only a transitory location to them, not their home and not, it appears, their desired destination) as 'people trafficking' too? Or is that different somehow?

You're colouring in your own lines pal!

I think he's suggesting the UK allowing these refugees to cross into Ireland is 'facilitating people trafficking'. Are the French facilitating people trafficking too?

[Iamnotkloot]

I note with interest Ireland’s High Court ruled in March that it would be illegal under Ireland’s constitution to designate Britain as a “safe third country” for refugees on account of the Rwanda policy.

And now?

Yep, hypocrisy at work by the Irish government.

[Mortarboard]

How is it hypocrisy?

Deporting people who are refugees, and have a legitimate right to stay under national convention, is xenophobia.

Ireland has always settled those with genuine asylum claims.

Let me know when they deport some, then you can claim hypocrisy.

M.

[272BHP]

Oakey said:

I think he's suggesting the UK allowing these refugees to cross into Ireland is 'facilitating people trafficking'. Are the French facilitating people trafficking too?

The French were certainly facilitating it last week.

[E63eeeeee...]

Vanden Saab said:

Mortarboard said:

Under the Rwanda plan, successful asylum seekers would be sent to Rwanda. At least, that was the plan in the beginning. When did that change?

M.

It never was. And is not now. There is no change just you getting it wrong, again.

No, you're wrong. They will be sent before their claims are processed. Given that 75%+ are granted, it's inevitable that some successful applicants will be sent to Rwanda.

[Mortarboard]

Vanden Saab said:

It never was. And is not now. There is no change just you getting it wrong, again.

Odd thread title then.

M.

[irc]

E63eeeeee... said:

No, you're wrong. They will be sent before their claims are processed. Given that 75%+ are granted, it's inevitable that some successful applicants will be sent to Rwanda.

Is that a problem? They wanted to escape persecution. As Rwanda is a safe country - job done. They have claimed asylum and it is granted in Rwanda.

[Mortarboard]

It's cheaper for the dole crowd to live there too. When are they getting shipped off?

M.

[Carl_VivaEspana]

Mortarboard said:

It's cheaper for the dole crowd to live there too. When are they getting shipped off?

M.

They are not on the dole, they are suffering from psychological trauma and social disadvantage caused by NHS underfunding and 14 years of cruel Tory rule.

[ChocolateFrog]

I actually quite fancy a holiday to Rwanda. Ever since Mark Rober did a video on the place.

Problem is the flights are really expensive

Wonder if I 'lose' my passport I get a free one.

[Mortarboard]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

Mortarboard said:

It's cheaper for the dole crowd to live there too. When are they getting shipped off?

M.

They are not on the dole, they are suffering from psychological trauma and social disadvantage caused by NHS underfunding and 14 years of cruel Tory rule.

Plenty of warm weather there. Get 'em shipped out.
Don't mention parallels with Australia. Those were sent by ship, completely different.

M.

[Earthdweller]

Jeanboi said:

Mortarboard said:

Jeanboi said:

Something tells me you're not without your own (lets put this politely) 'prejudices'....................

That's what it is, it's facilitating people trafficking it.

Insinuate all you like. It merely colors in your lines for everyone else.


M.

What, exactly, is it that you are defining as 'people trafficking'?
If Ireland wants rid of some immigrants, and thinks they've come via the UK, would you consider their sending these people back to the UK (which is only a transitory location to them, not their home and not, it appears, their desired destination) as 'people trafficking' too? Or is that different somehow?

You're colouring in your own lines pal!

It seems McEntee the Irish minister ( who is seriously under fire at home ) has made up the figures .. who’d have thought it, a dishonest politician!

Micheal Martin the Irish deputy PM yesterday:

Speaking to reporters at the British-Irish Intergovernmental Conference, Mr Martin said: "On the 80% and the evidence: it’s not statistical, it’s not a database or evidence base

The figures quoted by McEntee have also been challenged by NGO’s and refugee groups as not being correct or evidence based

Martin went on to say the Justice dept have a feeling that patterns of migration have changed over time though

So really they have absolutely no idea how many are coming in via NI and it seems to me a move by McEntee to deflect problems away from her and her response to the crime and disorder and criticism she is receiving domestically

Edited by Earthdweller on Tuesday 30th April 08:16

[Murph7355]

Mortarboard said:

Plenty of warm weather there. Get 'em shipped out.
Don't mention parallels with Australia. Those were sent by ship, completely different.

M.

When are you standing for election?

[E63eeeeee...]

irc said:

E63eeeeee... said:

No, you're wrong. They will be sent before their claims are processed. Given that 75%+ are granted, it's inevitable that some successful applicants will be sent to Rwanda.

Is that a problem? They wanted to escape persecution. As Rwanda is a safe country - job done. They have claimed asylum and it is granted in Rwanda.

I can't tell if you're being ironic. Rwanda isn't a safe country, the UK's high court checked. It's also a staggeringly expensive scheme and we could do more effective things with the money. If it was safe, and it was cost effective, and it would actually work as a deterrent, then it would still only be on a par with actually fixing the asylum system.

[thetapeworm]

Reports today that even if the flights went ahead as planned the government have "lost" a decent percentage of those that would have been on them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/asy...

“The Home Office is used to this operationally, law enforcement officers are used to this,” Victoria Atkins told Sky News. “So the expectation is that we remove that group of people, as well as others, by the end of the year … We want the message to go out loud and clear that if somebody doesn’t report as they should do, they shouldn’t think that they will get away with it. They will be found.

[swisstoni]

The word ‘safe’ in regards to Rwanda had a very specific meaning.
It meant that was nothing in place to secure the future of those sent there. i.e nothing to stop Rwanda deporting them in the future.
In this context it was ‘unsafe’.

Rwanda have now made a legally binding treaty with UK to remove this uncertainty,
It is no longer ‘unsafe’ in this context.

[President Merkin]

thetapeworm said:

Reports today that even if the flights went ahead as planned the government have "lost" a decent percentage of those that would have been on them.

Entirely on brand for this rumble tumble clown car to invest practically all of its political capital ramming this through only to find the targets have done one without them noticing.