The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[whoami]

Trabi601 said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

So we may have to buy British built Cars for a while and more British goods. Maybe the Police can stop buying BMW's etc

Great plan.

Have you actually looked at what we make in the UK?

I don't think an Avensis D4D or CashCow 1.5dCi is going to cut it as a high speed patrol car.

Jaguar.

[johnxjsc1985]

Trabi601 said:

Great plan.

Have you actually looked at what we make in the UK?

I don't think an Avensis D4D or CashCow 1.5dCi is going to cut it as a high speed patrol car.

Do you need a list and there are far more local patrol Cars than high speed Motorway pursuit vehicles

[Sam All]

Trabi601 said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

So we may have to buy British built Cars for a while and more British goods. Maybe the Police can stop buying BMW's etc

Great plan.

Have you actually looked at what we make in the UK?

I don't think an Avensis D4D or CashCow 1.5dCi is going to cut it as a high speed patrol car.

McLaren.

Why so negative?

[johnxjsc1985]

Sam All said:

McLaren.

Why so negative?

We could supply the needs of our Police force from Cars produced in this Country.

[anonymous-user]

johnxjsc1985 said:

So we may have to buy British built Cars for a while and more British goods. Maybe the Police can stop buying BMW's etc

There was a prior thread on PH where it explained that the police use BMW's because they meet their needs the best, and BMW do a very good serbvice/support package that keeps the lifetime cost low.

So a 10% import duty means either of:
-More taxpayer money required to buy BMW police cars
-A car that doesn't meet the needs of the police as well
-A car that costs a lot more to bring up to police spec, and to service and support meaning larger lifetime costs.

Seems bad to me?

[Blue Oval84]

steveatesh said:

cookie118 said:

don4l said:

Well said!

Can someone explain to me why they think that a 10% import duty on German cars would be a bad thing?

I'm going to get as many answers to this question as I did when I asked "To what problem is the EU a solution?".

Or as many answers as car companies that think it's a good idea to leave the EU-and yet you think it's a great idea for the UK auto industry?

Interestingly it will not matter in around 15 years as I understand cars will be be tarif free as part of ongoing globalisation and the spread of free trade. Sorry can't give you a link, I read it a few weeks ago on an article about free trade, the EU and globalisation of trade.

I appreciate that is still 15 years to get through of course.

And in the meantime, Nissan at least are likely to stay, they apparently see the Sunderland plant as one of their most profitable plants in the world (if not THE most profitable), even with a 10% tariff the weakened pound would chunk away a lot of that extra cost.

[johnxjsc1985]

cookie118 said:

There was a prior thread on PH where it explained that the police use BMW's because they meet their needs the best, and BMW do a very good serbvice/support package that keeps the lifetime cost low.

So a 10% import duty means either of:
-More taxpayer money required to buy BMW police cars
-A car that doesn't meet the needs of the police as well
-A car that costs a lot more to bring up to police spec, and to service and support meaning larger lifetime costs.

Seems bad to me?

or do a better deal with JLR and other manufacturers.

[turbobloke]

johnxjsc1985 said:

cookie118 said:

There was a prior thread on PH where it explained that the police use BMW's because they meet their needs the best, and BMW do a very good serbvice/support package that keeps the lifetime cost low.

So a 10% import duty means either of:
-More taxpayer money required to buy BMW police cars
-A car that doesn't meet the needs of the police as well
-A car that costs a lot more to bring up to police spec, and to service and support meaning larger lifetime costs.

Seems bad to me?

or do a better deal with JLR and other manufacturers.

Indeed. A perfect opportunity to get new business, if it arises.

The idea that people will simply continue as they were and pay more isn't realistic...if it arises at all. BMW would lose out but they'd probably drop the price before giving up, business is business.

[steveatesh]

jjlynn27 said:

I'll have a look at that, if you have direct link to an article (Flexcit) it would be very much appreciated. The issue of EFTA route is that Norway PM doesn't seem to be too excited about it, quoting dilution of their influence when negotiate third party deals. She's not flatly refusing, and it could be posturing, but she seems to want, quite rightly to protect Norway's interests.

Reason that I'm asking if there are any broad statements of where are we going, is that out of all options it's somehow presumed that we'll be on WTO/EFTA, as some poster said 'in 5 minutes'. I don't see that happening, unless that (EFTA) deal is trashed out after invoking A50.
If I'm not mistaken, Leadsom doesn't want to go 'free access to single market route' at all.

Here you go, http://www.eureferendum.com
There is a link to Flexcit at the top of the page, it's a substantial read but he has a shorter version too.

If you are not familiar with his site it's worth reading through. He is part of the Leave Alliance and was very critical of the official Vote Leave campaign. His style is very acerbic but I like the fact he has links to source documents to back up a lot of what he says. Plus doesn't mean he is wrong of course!

[steveatesh]

Blue Oval84 said:

And in the meantime, Nissan at least are likely to stay, they apparently see the Sunderland plant as one of their most profitable plants in the world (if not THE most profitable), even with a 10% tariff the weakened pound would chunk away a lot of that extra cost.

This is true of course. but please don't spoil a good dose of fear, uncertainty and doubt, some of the posters are committed to it.

[Sam All]

Challenge to Brexit

Not sure if this has been posted already

http://www.mishcon.com/news/firm_news/article_50_p...

[///ajd]

Blue Oval84 said:

And in the meantime, Nissan at least are likely to stay, they apparently see the Sunderland plant as one of their most profitable plants in the world (if not THE most profitable), even with a 10% tariff the weakened pound would chunk away a lot of that extra cost.

Have you seen that somewhere, I could find no specific comment other than:

Some Bregret here:

https://next.ft.com/content/900d015a-3ba2-11e6-9f2...

Ghosn: not exactly reassuring - "navigate as we go"

http://indianexpress.com/article/business/business...

10% is a significant amount, enough to swing investment decisions for new models.

[jjlynn27]

steveatesh said:

Here you go, http://www.eureferendum.com
There is a link to Flexcit at the top of the page, it's a substantial read but he has a shorter version too.

If you are not familiar with his site it's worth reading through. He is part of the Leave Alliance and was very critical of the official Vote Leave campaign. His style is very acerbic but I like the fact he has links to source documents to back up a lot of what he says. Plus doesn't mean he is wrong of course!

Reading that now. Quite enjoying laying into Gove.

[Blue Oval84]

///ajd said:

Have you seen that somewhere, I could find no specific comment other than:

A relative knows someone who is very senior within Nissan. Apparently that's what he said. But no, I've not read it anywhere. I guess it wouldn't do to put that message out if there's a sniff that the UK Gov may throw some sweeteners your way!

Perhaps he said it in the context that we get some sort of a trade deal, but either way, it seems hard to see the plant go from hero to zero over a few percent net difference in costs if we don't get one.

[///ajd]

Blue Oval84 said:

///ajd said:

Have you seen that somewhere, I could find no specific comment other than:

A relative knows someone who is very senior within Nissan. Apparently that's what he said. But no, I've not read it anywhere. I guess it wouldn't do to put that message out if there's a sniff that the UK Gov may throw some sweeteners your way!

Perhaps he said it in the context that we get some sort of a trade deal, but either way, it seems hard to see the plant go from hero to zero over a few percent net difference in costs if we don't get one.

OK thanks.

10% is a big difference. If that is not negated, I can see it would be easy to decide to put new models into expansion/change of existing EU factories. Investment in production of new models can be very significant, lessening the "we may as well stay here" factor.

Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 3rd July 23:18

[king arthur]

jjlynn27 said:

Reading that now. Quite enjoying laying into Gove.

If you've an hour and twenty minutes to spare, do watch the "Flexcit the Feature" movie that is linked on that blog, including the very revealing insight into the real nature of the EU by Christopher Booker.

[Jockman]

HappyMidget said:

ellroy said:

Hannah is reporting on Twitter that Mischon de Reya (sp?) are taking HMG to court to ensure that a vote is held in Parliament before article 50 can be enacted.

That was always the case though I thought. Tories have a majority so they just need to get their st together and back the party line.

No. Legally there is no requirement to consult parliament. It just makes sense to do so.

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

OK thanks.

10% is a big difference. If that is not negated, I can see it would be easy to decide to put new models into expansion/change of existing EU factories. Investment in production of new models can be very significant, lessening the "we may as well stay here" factor.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 3rd July 23:18

Coupled with the fact that if they are having to put together a business plan for manufacturing a new model at the moment they can't really plan for the costs because they don't know what deal we'll end up with.

[anonymous-user]

Today's telegraph:
Boris demands post brexit plan!

Errrm-wasn't that your job Boris!

[turbobloke]

cookie118 said:

Today's telegraph:
Boris demands post brexit plan!

Errrm-wasn't that your job Boris!

It's not like a tax demand, nobody has to do anything.

Boris is a bit peeved I would think. He'll get by.

The plan need only stretch to when the A50 button is pressed, after that the negotiations timetable/schedule cannot be predicted in advance.