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Discussion
Twincharge said:
WinstonWolf said:
What is the attitude of Pakistani men towards women?
Why stop at Pakistani's? Lets label everyone and tarnish them with the same brush.You cannot make general statements like that, not all Pakistani men are the same. Don't be so ignorant.
And it wasn't a statement, it was a question. One I suspect he already knows the answer to.
magnum555 said:
Mermaid said:
A lose/lose for community/race/colour harmony/cohesion.
Mermaid you've not said anything about going to Rotherham to discuss these issues?Keep batting away.
s1962a said:
Heppers:- not sure if you missed this one. highlighted the question in bold.
Sorry chap I did.I think a wider acknowledgement of the issue and full throated support for rooting it out by naming and shaming the individuals involved as well as direct assistance to the authorities as well as proactive reporting of anything witnessed.
They would be good starts if those that wish to root this out want to provide proof positive that they are doing all that can be done.
WinstonWolf said:
Twincharge said:
WinstonWolf said:
What is the attitude of Pakistani men towards women?
Why stop at Pakistani's? Lets label everyone and tarnish them with the same brush.You cannot make general statements like that, not all Pakistani men are the same. Don't be so ignorant.
And it wasn't a statement, it was a question. One I suspect he already knows the answer to.
Mermaid said:
magnum555 said:
Mermaid said:
A lose/lose for community/race/colour harmony/cohesion.
Mermaid you've not said anything about going to Rotherham to discuss these issues?Keep batting away.
magnum555 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Twincharge said:
WinstonWolf said:
What is the attitude of Pakistani men towards women?
Why stop at Pakistani's? Lets label everyone and tarnish them with the same brush.You cannot make general statements like that, not all Pakistani men are the same. Don't be so ignorant.
And it wasn't a statement, it was a question. One I suspect he already knows the answer to.
heppers75 said:
s1962a said:
Heppers:- not sure if you missed this one. highlighted the question in bold.
Sorry chap I did.I think a wider acknowledgement of the issue and full throated support for rooting it out by naming and shaming the individuals involved as well as direct assistance to the authorities as well as proactive reporting of anything witnessed.
They would be good starts if those that wish to root this out want to provide proof positive that they are doing all that can be done.
You missed ou the context of my question, but it was as follows
s1962a said:
round my parts (London) and within my social circle (which includes Pakistani's, mostly professionals) there is absolute disgust at what these men did. This kind of mentality doesn't exist in Pakistani's in our 'communities' so apart from voicing our disgust, what else can we do to fix it? I believe the change needs to come from within the actual Pakistani communities within the towns affected - not much the entire Pakistani UK population can do other than voice disgust and make sure their kids/families don't have that kind of shallow, narrow minded, bigoted attitudes.
Me and fellow Pakistani's within our circle of friends / family / aquaintances absolutely detest and deplore what these men have done, and I doubt any of us would have any hesitation in reporting such matters to the police (as long as they are willing to do something about it). Doing all that however doesn't solve this issue, but it seems like this particular type of mentality exists in a few Pakistani communities where certain factors seem to be involved (which I listed earlier).WinstonWolf said:
magnum555 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Twincharge said:
WinstonWolf said:
What is the attitude of Pakistani men towards women?
Why stop at Pakistani's? Lets label everyone and tarnish them with the same brush.You cannot make general statements like that, not all Pakistani men are the same. Don't be so ignorant.
And it wasn't a statement, it was a question. One I suspect he already knows the answer to.
MrCarPark said:
And can you see that happening? And in a well-publicised way?
magnum seems to think it's "impossible"
How hard can it be? The local Imam finds the time to ask for money for a new mosque extension on a Friday afternoon though? Pretending the problem does not exist within one's community is not the way to tackle it.magnum seems to think it's "impossible"
magnum555 said:
So your going to remain a keyboard warrior instead? Thought so
That's fine with me. Not surprised Countdown, Zuby, 968 & co are not supporting you in your stance. So for the last time, what is the image of the men of the community your defend so vigorously? Thank you.Mermaid said:
This is not about Rotherham - the abuse has happened in many places, commonality amongst the perpetrators & victims.
Yes, true. These are the commonalities it seems in common between these men (listed earlier)s1962a said:
These men:-
- come from tight knit communities where a lot of these people have ancestory from the same villages back in Pakistan
- usually not very well educated backgrounds (ancestors were labourers, landowners, or come from manual labour orientated work in Pakistan)
- very backward mentality when it comes to women, and double standards for women outside of their immediate families
- use Islam as an excuse when it suits them to play the discrimination/race card
- would probably be involved in cash businesses, and possible tax evasion
- married to a cousin imported from Pakistan
- come from tight knit communities where a lot of these people have ancestory from the same villages back in Pakistan
- usually not very well educated backgrounds (ancestors were labourers, landowners, or come from manual labour orientated work in Pakistan)
- very backward mentality when it comes to women, and double standards for women outside of their immediate families
- use Islam as an excuse when it suits them to play the discrimination/race card
- would probably be involved in cash businesses, and possible tax evasion
- married to a cousin imported from Pakistan
s1962a said:
heppers75 said:
s1962a said:
Heppers:- not sure if you missed this one. highlighted the question in bold.
Sorry chap I did.I think a wider acknowledgement of the issue and full throated support for rooting it out by naming and shaming the individuals involved as well as direct assistance to the authorities as well as proactive reporting of anything witnessed.
They would be good starts if those that wish to root this out want to provide proof positive that they are doing all that can be done.
You missed ou the context of my question, but it was as follows
s1962a said:
round my parts (London) and within my social circle (which includes Pakistani's, mostly professionals) there is absolute disgust at what these men did. This kind of mentality doesn't exist in Pakistani's in our 'communities' so apart from voicing our disgust, what else can we do to fix it? I believe the change needs to come from within the actual Pakistani communities within the towns affected - not much the entire Pakistani UK population can do other than voice disgust and make sure their kids/families don't have that kind of shallow, narrow minded, bigoted attitudes.
Me and fellow Pakistani's within our circle of friends / family / aquaintances absolutely detest and deplore what these men have done, and I doubt any of us would have any hesitation in reporting such matters to the police (as long as they are willing to do something about it). Doing all that however doesn't solve this issue, but it seems like this particular type of mentality exists in a few Pakistani communities where certain factors seem to be involved (which I listed earlier).
I absolutely applaud you and yours then as that is exactly what should be being done universally.
Also what about a more widespread zero tolerance stance from community leaders, religious leaders and others in a position of influence to root it out, ensure those that are participating in, assisting in or turning a blind eye to are not only not given a welcome but are actively excluded from their communities and named and shamed.
Pretty hard to achieve I guess but something like it led from within the power bases of the communities in question ought to be worth a try surely?
Mermaid said:
magnum555 said:
So your going to remain a keyboard warrior instead? Thought so
That's fine with me. Not surprised Countdown, Zuby, 968 & co are not supporting you in your stance. So for the last time, what is the image of the men of the community your defend so vigorously? Thank you.I'm not defending anyone.
magnum555 said:
Mermaid said:
magnum555 said:
So your going to remain a keyboard warrior instead? Thought so
That's fine with me. Not surprised Countdown, Zuby, 968 & co are not supporting you in your stance. So for the last time, what is the image of the men of the community your defend so vigorously? Thank you.I'm not defending anyone.
WinstonWolf said:
magnum555 said:
Mermaid said:
magnum555 said:
So your going to remain a keyboard warrior instead? Thought so
That's fine with me. Not surprised Countdown, Zuby, 968 & co are not supporting you in your stance. So for the last time, what is the image of the men of the community your defend so vigorously? Thank you.I'm not defending anyone.
WinstonWolf said:
If Magnum speaks for them we're all in trouble.
And it wasn't a statement, it was a question. One I suspect he already knows the answer to.
I don't think Magnum speaks for anyone but himself, but putting people into boxes with labels is not the answer either. You cannot start making general sweeping statements about Pakistani men.And it wasn't a statement, it was a question. One I suspect he already knows the answer to.
It was not a question at all, you know full well in what context it was meant, and you already had your own answer.
Implying that Pakistani men treat women badly is bordering on a racist remark, I'm sure it was probably not meant that way, I'm hoping.
Twincharge said:
WinstonWolf said:
If Magnum speaks for them we're all in trouble.
And it wasn't a statement, it was a question. One I suspect he already knows the answer to.
I don't think Magnum speaks for anyone but himself, but putting people into boxes with labels is not the answer either. You cannot start making general sweeping statements about Pakistani men.And it wasn't a statement, it was a question. One I suspect he already knows the answer to.
It was not a question at all, you know full well in what context it was meant, and you already had your own answer.
Implying that Pakistani men treat women badly is bordering on a racist remark, I'm sure it was probably not meant that way, I'm hoping.
FiF said:
A superb piece.There are a few things which really stand out in my mind as being significant:
Daniel Hannan said:
...in a by-election when they might have painlessly signalled that they were sick of being messed around, the townsfolk dutifully gave Labour 46.46 per cent of the vote. You can hardly blame Labour for taking such voters for granted.
Any political organisation that lacks an opposition will, over time, become flabby, self-serving, intolerant of criticism, obsessed with its pet dogmas – foremost among which, in Rotherham, is what we erroneously call “anti-racism”....
The Rotherham abominations are not a challenge to multi-ethnic Britain: people of all backgrounds are united in their revulsion at what has happened. Nor are they a challenge to religious pluralism: no faith condones child abuse.
...if you teach your staff them that everything – everything – should be seen through the prism of race, you will end up with much injustice and an occasional atrocity..
Any political organisation that lacks an opposition will, over time, become flabby, self-serving, intolerant of criticism, obsessed with its pet dogmas – foremost among which, in Rotherham, is what we erroneously call “anti-racism”....
The Rotherham abominations are not a challenge to multi-ethnic Britain: people of all backgrounds are united in their revulsion at what has happened. Nor are they a challenge to religious pluralism: no faith condones child abuse.
...if you teach your staff them that everything – everything – should be seen through the prism of race, you will end up with much injustice and an occasional atrocity..
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