Lost Prophets singer charged

[gpo746]

First up - Weird Neville you are a gent for explaining the data thing - Thank you !

Shilvers said:

On the subject capital punishment, I'd like to think that lying in a small cell, thinking about his crimes, the victims and what a miserable existence he will have for the next 29 years will be far harder then putting the bd out of his misery.

Let him rot. Death would be an easy route out for him.

I believe he is deluded and that his phone calls show that. I believe he will convince himself it wasn't his fault etc
I read the pdf - the reason it was stalling on download was probably due to demand on servers IMHO- The contents of the PDF are chilling, the judges summing up and method of working out sentence are extremely detailed. Again I believe as I said before that the judgement was very good.
I further think that there is a strong deterrent attached to this sentencing.

All the above is of course my own opinion. Unlike others who seem to like to browbeat other contributors I don't believe my opinions are superior to others expressed, at times some politeness would be in order on here.

Oh and I do think there will be further charges too.

[4v6]

im said:

It's not really though is it?

We know what the great unwashed of PH will say.



or more likely

OY! less of the "unwashed" comments.

I had a bath last week.....

[WCZ]

Shilvers said:

On the subject capital punishment, I'd like to think that lying in a small cell, thinking about his crimes, the victims and what a miserable existence he will have for the next 29 years will be far harder then putting the bd out of his misery.

Let him rot. Death would be an easy route out for him.

either way it makes no difference, the only point is it serves as a deterrent and perhaps gives victims some comfort

[dandarez]

jdw1234 said:

Phil Dicky said:

Spiritual_Beggar said:

IW better hope they keep him in solitary for the duration of his stay.

No doubt there will a situation where he meets the main prison population..it won't be pretty.

I would like to think waking up everyday for the next 20 years thinking that something might happen would be pretty unpleasant as well.

My thought is that somewhere along the line in the next 20 years some do-gooders in government or elsewhere will do the pat on the back of the hand and he'll be out on day release, or something mad.
Can you trust those who we give powers to - let alone the mad bds we incarcerate (or supposedly incarcerate).
Chrise, look at leftie jobs who are still powering decisions or trying to!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523526/Ho...

[Shilvers]

WCZ said:

Shilvers said:

On the subject capital punishment, I'd like to think that lying in a small cell, thinking about his crimes, the victims and what a miserable existence he will have for the next 29 years will be far harder then putting the bd out of his misery.

Let him rot. Death would be an easy route out for him.

either way it makes no difference, the only point is it serves as a deterrent and perhaps gives victims some comfort

Very true.

I just take solace in the fact that all the misery that he has caused, first and foremost to the victims, all the way down to the jury/judge etc, that he won't be allowed an easy escape from what he's done. Everyone else involved in this case has got to live with what they have seen & heard. He should be the last person who should escape his involvement in it.

[gpo746]

I only got as far as the picture of Patricia Hewitt's teeth.
Man that's some serous nashers

[MiniMan64]

WCZ said:

Shilvers said:

On the subject capital punishment, I'd like to think that lying in a small cell, thinking about his crimes, the victims and what a miserable existence he will have for the next 29 years will be far harder then putting the bd out of his misery.

Let him rot. Death would be an easy route out for him.

either way it makes no difference, the only point is it serves as a deterrent and perhaps gives victims some comfort

Bizarre situation though in this case that some of the "victims" involved are as much to blame in a way. What a sick sorrdid mess the whole thing is.

Question in our house last night, what happens with his ongoing royalties? I realise the band is going to be earning considerably less now but does any money get paid to the victims? The victims mothers? Is it split with the rest of the band? (Their life must suck at the moment by the way)

[worsy]

MiniMan64 said:

Bizarre situation though in this case that some of the "victims" involved are as much to blame in a way. What a sick sorrdid mess the whole thing is.

Question in our house last night, what happens with his ongoing royalties? I realise the band is going to be earning considerably less now but does any money get paid to the victims? The victims mothers? Is it split with the rest of the band? (Their life must suck at the moment by the way)

It continues as is. The offence and conviction does not alter the fact he is due royalty commission.

[WCZ]

MiniMan64 said:

Bizarre situation though in this case that some of the "victims" involved are as much to blame in a way. What a sick sorrdid mess the whole thing is.

Question in our house last night, what happens with his ongoing royalties? I realise the band is going to be earning considerably less now but does any money get paid to the victims? The victims mothers? Is it split with the rest of the band? (Their life must suck at the moment by the way)

what are you talking about, how are the baby/infants / subjects of child pornography he downloaded to blame?

for videoing and having sex with the 16 year old girls he was sentenced for 1 year per girl (I'm not sure what was illegal though as it was presumably consensual or he'd be charged with rape and within the age of consent)?

Edited by WCZ on Thursday 19th December 13:24

[MercuryRises]

WCZ said:

Shilvers said:

On the subject capital punishment, I'd like to think that lying in a small cell, thinking about his crimes, the victims and what a miserable existence he will have for the next 29 years will be far harder then putting the bd out of his misery.

Let him rot. Death would be an easy route out for him.

either way it makes no difference, the only point is it serves as a deterrent and perhaps gives victims some comfort

It serves as a deterrent? so there's no crime in Texas for instance, due to the fact that they've executed 508 people since 1976 (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/number-executions-state-and-region-1976)

Which doesn't really tally with 106,000 + violent crimes per year (http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tx/crime/) not to mention the other crimes.

Personally, I'd rather be shot/hanged etc than spend the next 30 years stuck in a cell.

Edited by MercuryRises on Thursday 19th December 13:16

[captainzep]

worsy said:

It continues as is. The offence and conviction does not alter the fact he is due royalty commission.

Who's going to be playing the songs or buying the albums though?

Wait...

[telephone conversation]

Me: How you doing Dad?
Dad: Fine, -listen, picked up a BARGAIN the other day at the garage, you got 5 albums free if you bought half a litre of screenwash. Band called "The Lost Prophets", new to me these lot, quite a heavy, rocky sound, -I like it. You heard of 'em?
Me: Er... Dad, remember that T-shirt you bought a while back from OXFAM with 'Toss my salad' written on it and I had to explain something and you stopped wearing it? Well... er...

[WCZ]

MercuryRises said:

It serves as a deterrent? so there's no crime in Texas for instance, due to the fact that they've executed 508 people since 1976 (http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tx/crime/)

Which doesn't really tally with 106,000 + violent crimes per year (http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tx/crime/) not to mention the other crimes.

Personally, I'd rather be shot/hanged etc than spend the next 30 years stuck in a cell.

yes, punishment serves as a deterrent for crime.

[WCZ]

captainzep said:

Who's going to be playing the songs or buying the albums though?

at the moment the BBC and others have been giving mr watkins royalties just by using their music videos during news articles, usually charged by PRS at a nice rate.

[MercuryRises]

WCZ said:

MercuryRises said:

It serves as a deterrent? so there's no crime in Texas for instance, due to the fact that they've executed 508 people since 1976 (http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tx/crime/)

Which doesn't really tally with 106,000 + violent crimes per year (http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tx/crime/) not to mention the other crimes.

Personally, I'd rather be shot/hanged etc than spend the next 30 years stuck in a cell.

yes, punishment serves as a deterrent for crime.

Punishment might, Revenge, which is what the death penalty is, does not, otherwise no one would commit crimes that can be punished by the death penalty surely?

I'm not having a dig at anyone, I'm just not convinced the threat of death has as much effect as people like to think

[Willy Nilly]

The whole sorry tale makes me wonder if there is anything incriminating on Bonos computer as well.

[MocMocaMoc]

Willy Nilly said:

The whole sorry tale makes me wonder if there is anything incriminating on Bonos computer as well.

His geggs alone make it worth checking out.

Just in case...

[WCZ]

MercuryRises said:

Punishment might, Revenge, which is what the death penalty is, does not, otherwise no one would commit crimes that can be punished by the death penalty surely?

I'm not having a dig at anyone, I'm just not convinced the threat of death has as much effect as people like to think

I am anti-death penalty personally, I was just simply stating that life imprisonment / death penalty makes little difference to the victims other than possible comfort or deterrent to future offenders. the damage has already been done.

[hifihigh]

MercuryRises said:

Personally, I'd rather be shot/hanged etc than spend the next 30 years stuck in a cell

What, even if you had Sky TV and a Playstation??

[MercuryRises]

hifihigh said:

MercuryRises said:

Personally, I'd rather be shot/hanged etc than spend the next 30 years stuck in a cell

What, even if you had Sky TV and a Playstation??

I work on a ship for 28 days at a time. This is something I have chosen to do.

I have a TV, Internet, books, Playstations and a guitar available to me.

And I'm still climbing the walls by the 3rd week.

So yeah, 30 years in the nick would probably kill me.

I also don't buy that prison in nearly as "pleasant" as the Daily Mail/Express make it out to be.


Edited due to my terrible spelling

Edited by MercuryRises on Thursday 19th December 13:48

[P-Jay]

hifihigh said:

MercuryRises said:

Personally, I'd rather be shot/hanged etc than spend the next 30 years stuck in a cell

What, even if you had Sky TV and a Playstation??

No HD though and it's only a PS2, worse fate than death really.

Unrelated - there was a former Chaplin from the Scrubs on R2 lunchtime, he gave an interesting perspective on prison life and rehabilitation, it seems Watkins poses the worst kind of threat unsurprisingly, not only does he not regret his actions, aside from the trouble it's caused him personally. He doesn't think he's done anything wrong. It could be years, even decades before he truthfully admits he's done anything wrong and only then will rehabilitation be possible. It seems that phone call he made after pleading really did it for him.