The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[mondeoman]

Northern Munkee said:

Italian Banks on the brink. PM in danger. FIve Star gaining ground.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/06/investing/banks-it...

So why, exactly, is this our fault?

Article said:

The Italian economy has barely grown since the country adopted the euro in 2002. GDP rose by just 0.3% in the first quarter, half the rate of the eurozone as a whole. Retail sales have fallen for six months in a row, and last month suffered their worst slump since November 2013.

Edited by mondeoman on Wednesday 6th July 21:38

[cirian75]

cirian75 said:

Trabi601 said:

alfie2244 said:

Bingo...get in quick while we are still in the EU

Babbel is supported by the European Regional Development Fund

https://lp.babbel.com/d/ENG_index.html?bsc=aw16-en...

Excellent, thanks. I'll give it a go tomorrow... could have done with it last week, though! (Mind you, it's only this week I've stopped shivering and sweating, so I don't think I'd have taken much in last week)

Cool, they have Dutch as well, I have family over there and my Nan (Dutch, but lived here since 1947) is making some enquiries for me (unfortunately she became a UK citizen before my dad was born so no ability to inherit citizenship for him or me)

bloody hell dutch is going to hard.

[alfie2244]

cirian75 said:

cirian75 said:

Trabi601 said:

alfie2244 said:

Bingo...get in quick while we are still in the EU

Babbel is supported by the European Regional Development Fund

https://lp.babbel.com/d/ENG_index.html?bsc=aw16-en...

Excellent, thanks. I'll give it a go tomorrow... could have done with it last week, though! (Mind you, it's only this week I've stopped shivering and sweating, so I don't think I'd have taken much in last week)

Cool, they have Dutch as well, I have family over there and my Nan (Dutch, but lived here since 1947) is making some enquiries for me (unfortunately she became a UK citizen before my dad was born so no ability to inherit citizenship for him or me)

bloody hell dutch is going to hard.

I could be wrong but I think 90%+ speak English

[Jockman]

alfie2244 said:

cirian75 said:

cirian75 said:

Trabi601 said:

alfie2244 said:

Bingo...get in quick while we are still in the EU

Babbel is supported by the European Regional Development Fund

https://lp.babbel.com/d/ENG_index.html?bsc=aw16-en...

Excellent, thanks. I'll give it a go tomorrow... could have done with it last week, though! (Mind you, it's only this week I've stopped shivering and sweating, so I don't think I'd have taken much in last week)

Cool, they have Dutch as well, I have family over there and my Nan (Dutch, but lived here since 1947) is making some enquiries for me (unfortunately she became a UK citizen before my dad was born so no ability to inherit citizenship for him or me)

bloody hell dutch is going to hard.

I could be wrong but I think 90%+ speak English

Er....I think you'll find >everything< is up for negotiation.

[don4l]

Jockman said:

Er....I think you'll find >everything< is up for negotiation.

Why does nobody seem to understand this?

[alfie2244]

don4l said:

Jockman said:

Er....I think you'll find >everything< is up for negotiation.

Why does nobody seem to understand this?

Well we have had treaties (and wars) with the Dutch long before the EU ever existed.

Anglo-Dutch Treaty of 1824 for example

[Sam All]

barryrs said:

Northern Munkee said:

Italian Banks on the brink. PM in danger. FIve Star gaining ground.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/06/investing/banks-it...

This was mentioned as a potential reason why Cameron appeared to rush to referendum so the fallout was after an expected remain result. Apparently it was deemed tinfoil hat thinking.

Yesterday Greece, today Italy (others P, I, S in the past) what about tomorrow? UK might end up as a safe haven.

[gizlaroc]

Italy's bank maybe in trouble, problem is most are now starting to realise Germanys biggest bank is the real problem!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-06/furious-i...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-06/gundlach-...



What has Brexit done?? It has ruined everyones lives!!!!!

Maybe not.....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-06/its-not-b...

[zygalski]

Elysium said:

don4l said:

Lots of things changed on June 23rd.

I have seen this table kicking around and it is utterly stupid.

Pre referendum the BOE and CBI rightly issued warnings that they considered the UK economy would be more stable in Europe.

Now that we have a leave vote, they are issuing positively worded statements to confirm that the potential economic impacts of leaving are under control. They are reassuring the market, which is exactly the right course of action.

It is absurd to suggest that they are saying the economy is fine:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jul...

It is much to early to make a call regarding the depth of the economic shockwave that we are facing or the rate at which our economy will recover when our position stabilises.

We aren't all living in caves a fortnight after the referendum, so the economy's in fine shape. I think that's about as much in-depth economic analysis as you'll ever get from our Don, bless him.

[silent ninja]

The Pound continues to tank below levels of the 80's. Business investment has dried up. Bank of England is flooding market with quantitative easing, ultimately devaluing currency further. We're on the verge of a crisis - these symptoms will trickle down to to the working level very soon

I've heard a lot of leavers say short term pain will be worth it in the long run (a) how do you know outlook in long run? Who says it's rosier? (b) how long is short term?
When you lose your house, your business, can't pay bills/mortgage or buy things that you normally could, see drop in pay in real terms, can't find a job since getting laid off, then it will become personal and hit home. Before that it's all well and good talking about 'short term' pain from your armchair when you have absolutely no idea what that entails

Edited by silent ninja on Thursday 7th July 08:27

[turbobloke]

silent ninja said:

When you lose your house, your business, can't pay bills/mortgage or buy things that you normally could, see drop in pay in real terms, can't find a job since getting laid off, then it will become personal and hit home.

That's a mighty long list, pessimism hardly covers it. Somebody had better warn Dignitas asap.

I've asked the question below a couple of times now, and while there's always a chance that replies get missed, I can't remember a definitive response.

If we're at defcon zero with the end of western civilisation imminent, how many more bottles of water and tins of food does this require for the bunker?

[silent ninja]

turbobloke said:

That's a mighty long list, pessimism hardly covers it. Somebody had better warn Dignitas asap.

I've asked the question below a couple of times now, and while there's always a chance that replies get missed, I can't remember a definitive response.

If we're at defcon zero with the end of western civilisation imminent, how many more bottles of water and tins of food does this require for the bunker?

Your head in the sand approach never achieved anything in history. It's not a long list. The pound is tanking seriously and business has halted - these are facts. All indications are a recession. You're ignorant if you think otherwise. Wishful thinking and optimism are two entirely different things and the latter requires some sort of strategy and plan - so far both are non existent

[Captain Benzo]

turbobloke said:

That's a mighty long list, pessimism hardly covers it. Somebody had better warn Dignitas asap.

I've asked the question below a couple of times now, and while there's always a chance that replies get missed, I can't remember a definitive response.

If we're at defcon zero with the end of western civilisation imminent, how many more bottles of water and tins of food does this require for the bunker?

get over to the prepping thread,

all you need is 5,000 tampons, 4 gallons of Deer urine and a red torch.

and one eye on the phone on christmas day.

which is madness as it'll all be over by christmas.

[chris watton]

silent ninja said:

turbobloke said:

That's a mighty long list, pessimism hardly covers it. Somebody had better warn Dignitas asap.

I've asked the question below a couple of times now, and while there's always a chance that replies get missed, I can't remember a definitive response.

If we're at defcon zero with the end of western civilisation imminent, how many more bottles of water and tins of food does this require for the bunker?

Your head in the sand approach never achieved anything in history. It's not a long list. The pound is tanking seriously and business has halted - these are facts. All indications are a recession. You're ignorant if you think otherwise. Wishful thinking and optimism are two entirely different things and the latter requires some sort of strategy and plan - so far both are non existent

You are assuming that the EZ is likely to prosper, when the reality seems to be that a few countries are in a very precarious position, financially, to put it mildly.
What happens when (not if) these countries fail, as it is up to all member states to help bail them out, time and time again, bleeding otherwise financially stable countries dry, and in turn destabilising them?

I don't think the EU is the utopia you think it is. From my POV, it is a powder keg that will inevitably explode at some point.

[Jockman]

silent ninja said:

Your head in the sand approach never achieved anything in history. It's not a long list. The pound is tanking seriously and business has halted - these are facts. All indications are a recession. You're ignorant if you think otherwise. Wishful thinking and optimism are two entirely different things and the latter requires some sort of strategy and plan - so far both are non existent

I presume those businesses that benefit from a low £ are busier than ever?

I'm just organising a £200k loan from HSBC for expansion projects that will activate a govt grant. I appreciate I'm only a tin pot company with 35 ish Employees. I don't export.

The IMF was predicting a recession in the UK and in the Eurozone well before Brexit.

Are you aware that the big European banks are technically insolvent and cannot continue to support their debt books on their own - even Deutsche Bank, shares down 70% or so?

[Benbay001]

ftse 250 up 2% this morning.

[johnxjsc1985]

Benbay001 said:

ftse 250 up 2% this morning.

Stop spreading doom and gloom....oh sorry.

[don4l]

turbobloke said:

If we're at defcon zero with the end of western civilisation imminent, how many more bottles of water and tins of food does this require for the bunker?

I see that someone has already mentioned the prepping thread.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Lots of good advice for concerned Remainers.

[don4l]

Benbay001 said:

ftse 250 up 2% this morning.

That really is excellent news.

All those people who were telling us that the FTSE250 was the true barometer for the UK economy will be along to tell us how relieved they are.

Or perhaps there might be something else to panic about...

[Benbay001]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Stop spreading doom and gloom....oh sorry.

No doubt it will be ignored by those intent to see Brexit fail.