another abuse gang

[magnum555]

heppers75 said:

magnum555 said:

I'm not defending anyone.

Excellent so you do finally acknowledge that the facts, statistics and sources point to a problem in the communities in question then?

What are you going to achieve by labeling communities, will it make you feel better about yourself?

You are so passionate about this problem within a single community why dont we go and discuss these issues? Why are you shying away?

[blindswelledrat]

Twincharge said:

Implying that Pakistani men treat women badly is bordering on a racist remark, I'm sure it was probably not meant that way, I'm hoping.

THis is no implication, merely a genuine question (assuming you are Pakistani)
Does the average Pakistani male across all ages and demographs see a woman as equal?
(not equal equal but just in the pretend sense that we all do to stop them getting all lesbian on us)

[FredClogs]

heppers75 said:

I really would like to have some response from those that seem to think there is no issue on the presented facts as sources and facts were asked for it would only seem correct & polite for them to be acknowledged and replied to.

As they have disappeared down the thread here they are again: -

A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.

http://www.channel4.com/news/ceop-warns-against-fo...

http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/wp-content/uplo...

See what I said earlier, you can replace the term grooming with the term pimping and all of a sudden we all know where we are and what the forces and motives at work are - and they're nothing to do with collective cultural history or heritage and more to do with socio economics and general misogyny which no "community" by any means can claim (or be labelled) to have sole preserve of.

[magnum555]

FredClogs said:

heppers75 said:

I really would like to have some response from those that seem to think there is no issue on the presented facts as sources and facts were asked for it would only seem correct & polite for them to be acknowledged and replied to.

As they have disappeared down the thread here they are again: -

A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.

http://www.channel4.com/news/ceop-warns-against-fo...

http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/wp-content/uplo...

See what I said earlier, you can replace the term grooming with the term pimping and all of a sudden we all know where we are and what the forces and motives at work are - and they're nothing to do with collective cultural history or heritage and more to do with socio economics and general misogyny which no "community" by any means can claim (or be labelled) to have sole preserve of.

[heebeegeetee]

Twincharge said:

Implying that Pakistani men treat women badly is bordering on a racist remark, I'm sure it was probably not meant that way, I'm hoping.

Race has got nothing to do wit it, but culture has a heck of a lot to do with it.

Do a bit of reading of what life is like in territories like Pakistan, and then ask yourself how or why would it ever change when people from those areas come here?

[magnum555]

heebeegeetee said:

Twincharge said:

Implying that Pakistani men treat women badly is bordering on a racist remark, I'm sure it was probably not meant that way, I'm hoping.

Race has got nothing to do wit it, but culture has a heck of a lot to do with it.

Do a bit of reading of what life is like in territories like Pakistan, and then ask yourself how or why would it ever change when people from those areas come here?

What are the territories in Pakistan like?

[irocfan]

magnum555 said:

WinstonWolf said:

magnum555 said:

Mermaid said:

magnum555 said:

So your going to remain a keyboard warrior instead? Thought so

That's fine with me. Not surprised Countdown, Zuby, 968 & co are not supporting you in your stance. So for the last time, what is the image of the men of the community your defend so vigorously? Thank you.

I'm not defending anyone.

You were blaming the parents of the girls a couple of pages ago.

Quote me

challenge accepted...

magnum555 said:

I'm not defending anyone, but what I see on this thread is a lot of finger pointing. The white english community also needs to take responsibility. These children were neglected and abused by their own families. These issues need to be addressed.

I can't remember if this is before or after your bks hinting/alluding it was the child's fault

[Twincharge]

blindswelledrat said:

THis is no implication, merely a genuine question (assuming you are Pakistani)
Does the average Pakistani male across all ages and demographs see a woman as equal?
(not equal equal but just in the pretend sense that we all do to stop them getting all lesbian on us)

It was a genuine question, here's another from the same collection;

"What is the attitude of Black men towards women?"

I don't think men generally see women as equal, regardless of background, religion or race. Is that not the reason we still have Page 3 in the national tabloid?

[Mermaid]

A few more places on the Rotherham scale, and perhaps then politics will be set aside and action will be taken to neutralise the PC effect. And crime will be detected early & severe punishment imposed.

[The Hypno-Toad]

That piece by Alison Pearson on the Telegraph website today is probably one of the best and bravest articles I've read on any issue in a very long time.

She should be applauded.



Shaun Wright however is a fking scumbag who is trying the Sixsmith defence. Basically, fire me and I'll do you for unfair dismissal. Unless we can come to some sort of arrangement.....

He must be very confident that there is no paper trail that links him to these events. I hope to God there is.

[anonymous-user]

1400 girls were abused in Rotherham mainly by groups of Pakistani-origin men.

This is undisputable fact.

Apologists and defenders are as bad as the rapists. In fact, I'd go so far as to say apologists must have had a finger in that pie, because no sane and rational human being is/can be/would be sticking up for or diverting attention from child abusers. And those who blame the parents of the victims are just as bad, because they refuse to see that a crime has been committed even when people have been found guilty and sent to prison.

[heppers75]

FredClogs said:

heppers75 said:

I really would like to have some response from those that seem to think there is no issue on the presented facts as sources and facts were asked for it would only seem correct & polite for them to be acknowledged and replied to.

As they have disappeared down the thread here they are again: -

A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.

http://www.channel4.com/news/ceop-warns-against-fo...

http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/wp-content/uplo...

See what I said earlier, you can replace the term grooming with the term pimping and all of a sudden we all know where we are and what the forces and motives at work are - and they're nothing to do with collective cultural history or heritage and more to do with socio economics and general misogyny which no "community" by any means can claim (or be labelled) to have sole preserve of.

I totally agree and I think the problems should be addressed where they lay. Where they lay is disproportionately at the doorsteps of certain communities. Is one of the major factors in that socioeconomic, undoubtedly, however it doesn't stop or obfuscate the fact that socioeconomic is a two part thing the socio element of it being community orientated the economic being fiscal.

After all there are plenty of poor communities where this is not an issue and by the same token there are I am sure examples of wealthy ones where it is. I want ALL of them focused on and I have said that repeatedly but our thread resident blinkered poster refuses to acknowledge what I am assuming is an issue in his community.

[magnum555]

irocfan said:

magnum555 said:

WinstonWolf said:

magnum555 said:

Mermaid said:

magnum555 said:

So your going to remain a keyboard warrior instead? Thought so

That's fine with me. Not surprised Countdown, Zuby, 968 & co are not supporting you in your stance. So for the last time, what is the image of the men of the community your defend so vigorously? Thank you.

I'm not defending anyone.

You were blaming the parents of the girls a couple of pages ago.

Quote me

challenge accepted...

magnum555 said:

I'm not defending anyone, but what I see on this thread is a lot of finger pointing. The white english community also needs to take responsibility. These children were neglected and abused by their own families. These issues need to be addressed.

I can't remember if this is before or after your bks hinting/alluding it was the child's fault

The children being neglected and abused by their own families was in the report.

[Countdown]

blindswelledrat said:

THis is no implication, merely a genuine question (assuming you are Pakistani)
Does the average Pakistani male across all ages and demographs see a woman as equal?

Not wishing to answer on behalf of TwinCharge but in my opinion....

It depends partly on the generation and partly on the social/educational background. The older generation definitely see the man as being "in charge of the household", "wearing the trousers" etc. I don't think this is massively different to any other UK community from a few decades ago. Perhaps the difference is that the indigenous community has had its views changed as a result of the various equal opportunities initiatives and laws whereas the immigrant community lags a couple of generations behind. The younger generation (especially the educated / professional types) see women as equals and marriage as more of a partnership.

TL;DR - In my opinion older Pakistani men tend to be more chauvinistic than younger ones and those with a lower educational attainment tend to be more chauvinistic than those from a professional background.

[Twincharge]

heebeegeetee said:

Race has got nothing to do wit it, but culture has a heck of a lot to do with it.

Do a bit of reading of what life is like in territories like Pakistan, and then ask yourself how or why would it ever change when people from those areas come here?

Pakistan? I guess it is the same as every other county which suffers from poor economics and extreme poverty.

[magnum555]

OpulentBob said:

1400 girls were abused in Rotherham mainly by groups of Pakistani-origin men.

This is undisputable fact.

Apologists and defenders are as bad as the rapists. In fact, I'd go so far as to say apologists must have had a finger in that pie, because no sane and rational human being is/can be/would be sticking up for or diverting attention from child abusers. And those who blame the parents of the victims are just as bad, because they refuse to see that a crime has been committed even when people have been found guilty and sent to prison.

When are we meeting in Rotherham to discuss this?

[Mermaid]

The Hypno-Toad said:

That piece by Alison Pearson on the Telegraph website today is probably one of the best and bravest articles I've read on any issue in a very long time.

She should be applauded.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11059...

[MrCarPark]

The Hypno-Toad said:

Shaun Wright however is a fking scumbag who is trying the Sixsmith defence. Basically, fire me and I'll do you for unfair dismissal. Unless we can come to some sort of arrangement.....

He must be very confident that there is no paper trail that links him to these events. I hope to God there is.

Regardless of evidence, he should be tried under the Taking The Piss Act 2014 and sentenced to six months in the stocks in Rotherham town centre.

[magnum555]

graphene said:

magnum555 said:

What are you going to achieve by labeling communities, will it make you feel better about yourself?

You are so passionate about this problem within a single community why dont we go and discuss these issues? Why are you shying away?

What do you think this will achieve? Do we appoint a PH News, Politics & Economics envoy? With whom do they have this discussion - the councillors and self-identifying community leaders? Should it include those already identified by the report?

It will achieve alot more than keyboard warriors spouting rubbish on the internet and remove some of the myths they have about certain communities.

[Countdown]

heebeegeetee said:

Race has got nothing to do wit it, but culture has a heck of a lot to do with it.

Do a bit of reading of what life is like in territories like Pakistan, and then ask yourself how or why would it ever change when people from those areas come here?

Tbh I think that's a bit of a red herring. From what little I know of the Pakistani "territories" the perverts that abused these girls wouldn't have done it in Pakistan as they would have probably been shot and/or something similar done to their mothers / sisters. These girls appear to have had nobody protecting them.