Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
spitsfire said:
Edinburger said:
Those people are of low intelligence.
The average Tory voter is also, actuarially, the most likely to be university educated, self employed, own their own home, and other characteristics one would usually associate with higher intelligence and/or better education. I've not seen any big data on the average SNP voter, but a brief perusal of BookFace suggests that many struggle with grammar, spelling, and full-time employment. There was a bit in The Economist last year looking at the socio-economic classification of Yes and No voters.... wanna guess what the conclusions were?
the less you earn, and the less educated you are, the more likely you were to vote Yes
Anyone with half a brain can see that from an economic standpoint alone the concept of Scottish independence is a dumb idea; no wonder those that voted for it would struggle to tip water out of a welly with the instructions on the bottom.
spitsfire said:
the less you earn, and the less educated you are, the more likely you were to vote Yes
Was a fairly obvious outcome. The Yes campaign was designed specifically for these people. The people who just get on with life without ever having any interest, knowledge or understanding of politics, economics or government. Prior to the referendum less than half of Scots even bothered to vote.These people were thrust into the limelight and expected to make an extremely important decision. In all likelihood the people in their lives, whether they be family, friends, work colleagues etc are highly likely to be in the same boat as themselves.
Naturally the spoon feeding of milk and honey from the yes camp suited this demographic perfectly. Without any form of comeback or personal debate and interaction they were allways going to vote yes. That and the fact the big battles from the yes camp were fought on social media and who is most likely to use social media?
NoNeed said:
Strocky said:
To put this into perspective, no-one was hurt except a journalist struck by a placard held by the Labour GCC leader Gordon Matheson, the protestors (invited by Scottish Labour) were pushed away by the crowd of hangers-on and democracy lived to fight another day
It's actually pathetic the faux hysteria on here regarding this non-story and trying to extrapolate it into something larger and sinister
It also tickles my funny bone when someone posts content from the Daily Mosley attacking the SNP for being fascists in the 1930s, it's like 10,000 spoons
Really?It's actually pathetic the faux hysteria on here regarding this non-story and trying to extrapolate it into something larger and sinister
It also tickles my funny bone when someone posts content from the Daily Mosley attacking the SNP for being fascists in the 1930s, it's like 10,000 spoons
So the SNP and their supporters aren't following other candidates around to heckle and shout abuse when they try to talk to the electorate.
The similarities with the German nazi's that the SNP supported are endless and the Advocacy of a form of socialism by right-wing figures and movements are virtually the same as in Germany which became common during and after World War I, influencing Nazism.
Remember they were the tartan tories? Nationalism is ugly and if you are a nationalist you are ugly.
I must add after Trollburgers comment that the nazi's blamed the Jews for all their problems, Scotland blame the English.
Edited by NoNeed on Tuesday 5th May 12:04
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-po...
With all due respect if you're basing your argument on what the Daily Mail and Telegraph spoon feed you and extrapolating that people exercising their democratic right to protest against a MP in the street as the sowing the dark seeds of another Nazi party
If John Major could ignore a large baying crowd, I'm sure Jim Murphy is "big enough and ugly enough" (as he's wont to say) to handle a handful of protestors in the street
Regarding the Jews = English crap, most of the vitriol is coming via the right wing press and Scottish Labour not the other way around
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-new...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11509...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2...
YES campaigners blamed Westminster for their ills not the English, stop peddling the lie
What's going on isn't about Scotland vs England, it's about the Unionist establishment s
tting their breeks that their cosy wee duopoly is being challenged by an electorate they thought they had put back in their box after the referendum The Tartan Tories was a slogan made up by Labour to paint the SNP as traitors to Scotland and keep them out of power in Scotland, the reality is Callaghan knew that he was finished, it wasn't the 11 SNP MP's that sunk his government (pissed of by Labour stabbing them in the back over the 40% rule), the country was in chaos, Callaghan had angered the Liberals by not agreeing to the terms of their Pact and more importantly 34 of his own MP's rebelled against the party
Read Callaghan's memoirs, he points the finger at his own MP's not the SNP
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/mar/22/ja...
If it's alright with you, I'll take Prof Tom Devine's analysis of civic vs ethnic "nationalism" on display over your own home spun rhetoric
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4f19dc66-3a9d-11e4-bd08-...
Edited by Strocky on Tuesday 5th May 14:02
MintyScot said:
Was a fairly obvious outcome. The Yes campaign was designed specifically for these people. The people who just get on with life without ever having any interest, knowledge or understanding of politics, economics or government. Prior to the referendum less than half of Scots even bothered to vote.
These people were thrust into the limelight and expected to make an extremely important decision. In all likelihood the people in their lives, whether they be family, friends, work colleagues etc are highly likely to be in the same boat as themselves.
This was the worst irony of the referendum - those most likely to support Yes were those most dependent on support from the State. They'd be first against the wall if Scotland had separated and was now, for example, trying to finance a considerable national debt and increasing deficit in the face of a falling oil price. These people were thrust into the limelight and expected to make an extremely important decision. In all likelihood the people in their lives, whether they be family, friends, work colleagues etc are highly likely to be in the same boat as themselves.
But that's a hypothetical situation. Fortunately.
spitsfire said:
The average Tory voter is also, actuarially, the most likely to be university educated, self employed, own their own home, and other characteristics one would usually associate with higher intelligence and/or better education.
I've not seen any big data on the average SNP voter, but a brief perusal of BookFace suggests that many struggle with grammar, spelling, and full-time employment. There was a bit in The Economist last year looking at the socio-economic classification of Yes and No voters.... wanna guess what the conclusions were?
the less you earn, and the less educated you are, the more likely you were to vote Yes
Lib Dem & Green supporters are also more likely to be intelligent than their counterparts as well I've not seen any big data on the average SNP voter, but a brief perusal of BookFace suggests that many struggle with grammar, spelling, and full-time employment. There was a bit in The Economist last year looking at the socio-economic classification of Yes and No voters.... wanna guess what the conclusions were?
the less you earn, and the less educated you are, the more likely you were to vote Yes
On a party-by-party basis, the average (childhood) IQ scores for 2001 voters were:
Green - 108.3
Liberal Democrat - 108.2
Conservative - 103.7
Labour – 103
Plaid Cymru - 102.5
Scottish National - 102.2
UK Independence - 101.1
British National - 98.4
Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2008/nov/...
Strocky said:
Lib Dem & Green supporters are also more likely to be intelligent than their counterparts as well
On a party-by-party basis, the average (childhood) IQ scores for 2001 voters were:
Green - 108.3
Liberal Democrat - 108.2
Conservative - 103.7
Labour – 103
Plaid Cymru - 102.5
Scottish National - 102.2
UK Independence - 101.1
British National - 98.4
Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2008/nov/...
love to see the detail behind this using peoples IQ at 10 years of age against a vote in 2001 .On a party-by-party basis, the average (childhood) IQ scores for 2001 voters were:
Green - 108.3
Liberal Democrat - 108.2
Conservative - 103.7
Labour – 103
Plaid Cymru - 102.5
Scottish National - 102.2
UK Independence - 101.1
British National - 98.4
Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2008/nov/...
UKIP probably had about 3 members in 2001.
Strocky said:
The four protestors on this occasion aren't SNP members but loons dining out on their 15 mins of fame when one of them hounded Iain Gray @ Glasgow Central
- They're all fairly obviously associated with the SNP in one way or another. Interestingly, the SNP haven't denied they're members. Two minutes on Google gave me Piers Doughty-Brown;
So I'll call custard on that one.
Edited by spitsfire on Tuesday 5th May 14:09
spitsfire said:
Strocky said:
The four protestors on this occasion aren't SNP members but loons dining out on their 15 mins of fame when one of them hounded Iain Gray @ Glasgow Central
- They're all fairly obviously associated with the SNP in one way or another. Interestingly, the SNP haven't denied they're members. Two minutes on Google gave me Piers Doughty-Brown;
So I'll call custard on that one.
Edinburger said:
Piers Doughty-Brown is a name that I've heard a few times. Seems like a nasty piece of work. A quick Google showed he's been suspended by the SNP as at 25 mins ago: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-sus...
Would that be the SNP party dropping anything that creates bad press like a hot potato in the run up to a coming vote.....
Edinburger said:
Piers Doughty-Brown is a name that I've heard a few times. Seems like a nasty piece of work. A quick Google showed he's been suspended by the SNP as at 25 mins ago: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-sus...
Maybe they're reading PH 
Wail link i realise, but this is why i cannot abide the SNP.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3068408/Th...
In the article she said to reporters:
"Ms Sturgeon has argued that any future government would not be legitmate if it did not have a Scottish voice.
She said today: 'With polls opening in less than 48 hours, it is clear that Scotland's voice is being heard in this campaign like never before in a UK general election.
'Put simply, that's because the other parties all know how much influence a strong block of SNP MPs can have - whether it is working with progressive parties to lock David Cameron out of Downing Street, or keeping a Labour government honest.
'Not once in my life has Scotland voted Tory and yet for more than half my life we have had a Tory government."
Remember Nicola, a scottish voice does not necessarily equate to an SNP voice, Labour and Tory and |Lib Dem politicians from Scotland are Scottish too.
Also she says half her life has been Tory governments, well half of my life have been Labour and i never got to vote in the previous Tory elections as i was too young.
I realise its her faithful she is preaching too with the Anti Tory vibe, but its like the referendum where if you voted No you 'werent a true scot' and in this election, a tory vote is a vote against scotland. Its incredibly sad and depressing that they are making this country split down the middle and hate each other and i include both Scottish voters and the UK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3068408/Th...
In the article she said to reporters:
"Ms Sturgeon has argued that any future government would not be legitmate if it did not have a Scottish voice.
She said today: 'With polls opening in less than 48 hours, it is clear that Scotland's voice is being heard in this campaign like never before in a UK general election.
'Put simply, that's because the other parties all know how much influence a strong block of SNP MPs can have - whether it is working with progressive parties to lock David Cameron out of Downing Street, or keeping a Labour government honest.
'Not once in my life has Scotland voted Tory and yet for more than half my life we have had a Tory government."
Remember Nicola, a scottish voice does not necessarily equate to an SNP voice, Labour and Tory and |Lib Dem politicians from Scotland are Scottish too.
Also she says half her life has been Tory governments, well half of my life have been Labour and i never got to vote in the previous Tory elections as i was too young.
I realise its her faithful she is preaching too with the Anti Tory vibe, but its like the referendum where if you voted No you 'werent a true scot' and in this election, a tory vote is a vote against scotland. Its incredibly sad and depressing that they are making this country split down the middle and hate each other and i include both Scottish voters and the UK
Rick_1138 said:
Its incredibly sad and depressing that they are making this country split down the middle and hate each other and i include both Scottish voters and the UK
I agree mate it is sad because our very best achievements have been as a united country not a devolved and divided one.If the SNP are saying they despise the likes of Cameron and his priviledged background I can understand that I dont agree with it but i understand it.
But when they make these attacks it feels very much an attack on the English and nothing else and I dont think they quite understand that if they come to Westminster to screw as much as they can out of Labour then this country will really be divided.
What I just don't understand is the narrative that the Tories/Westminster and mostly 'the English' are somehow set out to do harm to the Scots. Like it's some children's see-saw zero-sum game. It's not some system where there have to be winners and losers - it's in all our interests for the whole country to be strong - socially and economically.
I totally get the desire for strong devolution - the effective federalisation that seems inevitable- it's one of the areas I think the Lib Dems have right.
The very divisive nature of the SNP argument no good for anyone.
I totally get the desire for strong devolution - the effective federalisation that seems inevitable- it's one of the areas I think the Lib Dems have right.
The very divisive nature of the SNP argument no good for anyone.
spitsfire said:
Strocky said:
The four protestors on this occasion aren't SNP members but loons dining out on their 15 mins of fame when one of them hounded Iain Gray @ Glasgow Central
- They're all fairly obviously associated with the SNP in one way or another. Interestingly, the SNP haven't denied they're members. Two minutes on Google gave me Piers Doughty-Brown;So I'll call custard on that one.
Edited by spitsfire on Tuesday 5th May 14:09
Strocky said:
spitsfire said:
Strocky said:
The four protestors on this occasion aren't SNP members but loons dining out on their 15 mins of fame when one of them hounded Iain Gray @ Glasgow Central
- They're all fairly obviously associated with the SNP in one way or another. Interestingly, the SNP haven't denied they're members. Two minutes on Google gave me Piers Doughty-Brown;So I'll call custard on that one.
Edited by spitsfire on Tuesday 5th May 14:09
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/may/05/jk-ro...
Mark Millar's experiences and comments are particularly interesting.
Strocky said:
NoNeed said:
Strocky said:
To put this into perspective, no-one was hurt except a journalist struck by a placard held by the Labour GCC leader Gordon Matheson, the protestors (invited by Scottish Labour) were pushed away by the crowd of hangers-on and democracy lived to fight another day
It's actually pathetic the faux hysteria on here regarding this non-story and trying to extrapolate it into something larger and sinister
It also tickles my funny bone when someone posts content from the Daily Mosley attacking the SNP for being fascists in the 1930s, it's like 10,000 spoons
Really?It's actually pathetic the faux hysteria on here regarding this non-story and trying to extrapolate it into something larger and sinister
It also tickles my funny bone when someone posts content from the Daily Mosley attacking the SNP for being fascists in the 1930s, it's like 10,000 spoons
So the SNP and their supporters aren't following other candidates around to heckle and shout abuse when they try to talk to the electorate.
The similarities with the German nazi's that the SNP supported are endless and the Advocacy of a form of socialism by right-wing figures and movements are virtually the same as in Germany which became common during and after World War I, influencing Nazism.
Remember they were the tartan tories? Nationalism is ugly and if you are a nationalist you are ugly.
I must add after Trollburgers comment that the nazi's blamed the Jews for all their problems, Scotland blame the English.
Edited by NoNeed on Tuesday 5th May 12:04
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-po...
With all due respect if you're basing your argument on what the Daily Mail and Telegraph spoon feed you and extrapolating that people exercising their democratic right to protest against a MP in the street as the sowing the dark seeds of another Nazi party
If John Major could ignore a large baying crowd, I'm sure Jim Murphy is "big enough and ugly enough" (as he's wont to say) to handle a handful of protestors in the street
Regarding the Jews = English crap, most of the vitriol is coming via the right wing press and Scottish Labour not the other way around
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-new...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11509...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2...
YES campaigners blamed Westminster for their ills not the English, stop peddling the lie
What's going on isn't about Scotland vs England, it's about the Unionist establishment s
tting their breeks that their cosy wee duopoly is being challenged by an electorate they thought they had put back in their box after the referendum The Tartan Tories was a slogan made up by Labour to paint the SNP as traitors to Scotland and keep them out of power in Scotland, the reality is Callaghan knew that he was finished, it wasn't the 11 SNP MP's that sunk his government (pissed of by Labour stabbing them in the back over the 40% rule), the country was in chaos, Callaghan had angered the Liberals by not agreeing to the terms of their Pact and more importantly 34 of his own MP's rebelled against the party
Read Callaghan's memoirs, he points the finger at his own MP's not the SNP
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/mar/22/ja...
If it's alright with you, I'll take Prof Tom Devine's analysis of civic vs ethnic "nationalism" on display over your own home spun rhetoric
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4f19dc66-3a9d-11e4-bd08-...
Edited by Strocky on Tuesday 5th May 14:02
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