UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
skeggysteve said:
So are you saying that it's OK for us to give money to Africa so they can spend it with UK gun & bomb companies?
Why not cut out the middle man and give straight to the UK companies?
imagine how many lives that would save too!Why not cut out the middle man and give straight to the UK companies?
Absolute pathetic argument, on every level.
some of you make fair points, others immediately respond with abuse and mockery without stating why it's apparently so fundamentally flawed. Whilst I appreciate emotions are running high on this thread at least counter an argument properly as it shows you in a far better light.
Fundamentally a lot of UK Companies have a vested interest in the value of Foreign Aid and won't let it be cut to such levels.
And finally Saudi Arabia isn't part of Africa, the Middle East is a different, much higher, figure and yes, not arming the world may save lives and reduce the number of refugees trying.... To.... Enter... The.... UK.... Surely UKIP are not that bright?!
Fundamentally a lot of UK Companies have a vested interest in the value of Foreign Aid and won't let it be cut to such levels.
And finally Saudi Arabia isn't part of Africa, the Middle East is a different, much higher, figure and yes, not arming the world may save lives and reduce the number of refugees trying.... To.... Enter... The.... UK.... Surely UKIP are not that bright?!
Guam said:
They must have been at another presentation from the one I watched
The only shambles I saw was with that telegraph numpty trying to retread the racist b
ks and cause conflict
The way it's being spun however by the telegraph tells me all I needed to know and has probably decided where I am putting my X now
Sickened by this nonsense
I was pretty much resigned to voting labour to stand any chance of taking Boles out
I don't care now I am sickened by what took place
Stuff them all
Welcome aboard ;-)The only shambles I saw was with that telegraph numpty trying to retread the racist b
ks and cause conflictThe way it's being spun however by the telegraph tells me all I needed to know and has probably decided where I am putting my X now
Sickened by this nonsense
I was pretty much resigned to voting labour to stand any chance of taking Boles out
I don't care now I am sickened by what took place
Stuff them all
mrpurple said:
pablo - "trainee cycling coach".....................explains everything 
Wholly unpaid, that's something to keep me busy at the weekends and I enjoy volunteering, mock me for that you are pretty shallow. Isn't volunteer work something to be proud of?Do you want my full list of professional qualifications as well?
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 15th April 19:05
pablo said:
mrpurple said:
pablo - "trainee cycling coach".....................explains everything
Do you want my full list of professional qualifications as well?Maybe you can explain how an african dictator's purchase of a Gulfstream personal jet was 'saving lives'?
or how sponsoring a female pop star (wannabe) to the tune of several hundred thousand pounds saved lives?
Look, nobody would blink an eye if it was used to fight Ebola, Malaria, dysentery, clean water programmes, etc etc etc. but that's simply not what it's used for.
Scuffers, I think we are in violent agreement, my point was UKIP saying to the common man they will cut foreign aid and spend it in the UK will face significant opposition from those who benefit from the distribution of UK foreign aid.
I know that much of it is indeed wasted on dictatorship vanity projects but at least some of it comes back into the UK and that revenue stream won't be yielded easily.
I'm not saying the foreign aid budget doesn't need addreessing, I'm simply saying it's not that easy and will be hugely opposed.
I know that much of it is indeed wasted on dictatorship vanity projects but at least some of it comes back into the UK and that revenue stream won't be yielded easily.
I'm not saying the foreign aid budget doesn't need addreessing, I'm simply saying it's not that easy and will be hugely opposed.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 15th April 19:17
In other news:
(Reuters) - British voters are evenly split on whether they would vote to leave the European Union, according to a poll published on Wednesday, less than a month before a tight national election in which a membership referendum is on the cards.
The Populus poll published in the Financial Times newspaper showed 39 percent of voters favoured leaving the EU, compared to 40 percent who said they would opt to stay.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/04/15/uk-britai...
(Reuters) - British voters are evenly split on whether they would vote to leave the European Union, according to a poll published on Wednesday, less than a month before a tight national election in which a membership referendum is on the cards.
The Populus poll published in the Financial Times newspaper showed 39 percent of voters favoured leaving the EU, compared to 40 percent who said they would opt to stay.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/04/15/uk-britai...
pablo said:
People moaning about foreign aid need to dig a little deeper....
Defence Import by Country/Region refer to slide 7
To save you looking, I know some of you have short attention spans, the value of UK Defence sales to Africa is about £2bn (For comparison, the value of Defence sales to Africa for the rest of the World is £27Bn)
So now go away and find out how much Foreign Aid the UK sends to Africa...
If you start off by making an insulting jibe about short attention spans it's probably best not to get too offended when people respond in kind.Defence Import by Country/Region refer to slide 7
To save you looking, I know some of you have short attention spans, the value of UK Defence sales to Africa is about £2bn (For comparison, the value of Defence sales to Africa for the rest of the World is £27Bn)
So now go away and find out how much Foreign Aid the UK sends to Africa...
The reason you give for foreign aid contributions is quite different to the public reason that the conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems and Greens give. They've said its a moral obligation to help poorer countries.
You seem to suggest that it is good business. I doubt that for several reasons including the recent £1.1 bn that this country had to spend to meet targets for aid amounts! Is it really good business to aid corruption in Africa? Or Argentina?
Now if you are right, the cons, Libs, labour and greens are either lying publicly or they are doing a good thing for the wrong reasons.
Meanwhile, UKIP want to target aid on medical help, training, safe water and make no mention of arms sales. So UKIP want to reduce foreign aid but help those who need it rather than bribe officials to buy British arms equipment.
If you take your argument to the conclusion, one possibility is that UKIP are being honest and humanitarian at the risk of weapons sales and the Cons/Lab/Libs and Greens are prepared to lie, act corruptly and act as pseudo arms dealers to make our country better off.
Personally, I think some business interests are gaining from the corruption, I'd look to the administrators of these funds and inefficient charities first and I am disgusted that our money is being spent without clear evidence of value to either ourselves or those it's supposed to help.
Scuffers said:
In other news:
(Reuters) - British voters are evenly split on whether they would vote to leave the European Union, according to a poll published on Wednesday, less than a month before a tight national election in which a membership referendum is on the cards.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/04/15/uk-britai...
On the cards - honest!(Reuters) - British voters are evenly split on whether they would vote to leave the European Union, according to a poll published on Wednesday, less than a month before a tight national election in which a membership referendum is on the cards.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/04/15/uk-britai...
pablo said:
mrpurple said:
pablo - "trainee cycling coach".....................explains everything
Wholly unpaid, that's something to keep me busy at the weekends and I enjoy volunteering, mock me for that you are pretty shallow. Isn't volunteer work something to be proud of?Do you want my full list of professional qualifications as well?
Edited by pablo on Wednesday 15th April 19:05
Sorry but I have no interest in a willy waving "professional qualifications" contest.
ps I not only volunteered but also paid for junior footy teams for about 20 years - altruism is a rare commodity nowdays so more power to your elbow for the voluntary work you do. Now go and eat a Snickers
Because at the time you wrote your comment you were unaware it was volunteering and the implication was that is my job with associated connotations to which I took offence.
Or was it just more cyclist bashing? I can deal with that...
Anyway, foreign aid bad/good, defence sales good/bad Somewhere there is a balance.
Have a good evening
Or was it just more cyclist bashing?
I can deal with that...Anyway, foreign aid bad/good, defence sales good/bad Somewhere there is a balance.
Have a good evening
pablo said:
Because at the time you wrote your comment you were unaware it was volunteering and the implication was that is my job with associated connotations to which I took offence.
Or was it just more cyclist bashing? I can deal with that...
Anyway, foreign aid bad/good, defence sales good/bad Somewhere there is a balance.
Have a good evening
Page 12 of this very threadOr was it just more cyclist bashing?
I can deal with that...Anyway, foreign aid bad/good, defence sales good/bad Somewhere there is a balance.
Have a good evening
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-new...
Art0ir said:
In my humble opinion, it might be best to be more measured in our replies to newcomers on the thread lest we discourage discussion and continue with another 4 volumes of playground name-calling.
A noble but forlorn hope, I fear. For all the denigration of tribal politics posted in this thread, UKIP supporters have repeatedly shown themselves here to be highly tribal. Greg66 said:
A noble but forlorn hope, I fear. For all the denigration of tribal politics posted in this thread, UKIP supporters have repeatedly shown themselves here to be highly tribal.
Yeah and they're the only ones 
What do you think of the manifesto, Greg? Anything float your boat or aren't you impressed?
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