13yr old killed in F50

[TTmonkey]

Penelope Stopit said:

TTmonkey said:

Penelope Stopit said:

Every day many people forget to do something important and there are numerous reasons for what could course someone to forget to do something that is normally force of habit, I am surprised by some of the posts here as I thought it was common knowledge

Many of you must have seen the video of a police car rushing to the scene of multiple murders in London, a police car drives up close to the suspects and armed police jump out of their vehicle, moments later the police car starts moving forwards and seems to be out of control
I don't know why the police car seemed to be out of control but at a guess I suspect something that should have been carried out inside the vehicle before the crew exited it wasn't carried out, this gets me thinking that someone forgot to do something. How could a highly trained person forget to do something that needed doing before exiting the vehicle?

Are you having a mental issue? You are comparing armed police attempting to stop people being murderred with knives right in front of them and not putting an automatic car in 'Park' whilst arming their assault rifles, with someone forgetting to get a child secured in someone else's supercar before taking it for a joy ride?

The Police had far more important things to worry about that night than securing a car and their actions were totally justified, including not fking around with the car whilst they saved the life of a man who was being attacked by three knife weilding murderers. To say they forgot to put their car safe before jumping out is a terrible and flawed arguement.

Well there is certainly no point in discussing this any further with you is there

Clearly you have no viable answer.

[Penelope Stopit]

TTmonkey said:

Clearly you have no viable answer.

I have no answer for you

[silentbrown]

TTmonkey said:

I don't know where the car was being unloaded, does anyone here know the location?

BAsed on the CCTV I think it's...

[Randy Winkman]

Penelope Stopit said:

TTmonkey said:

Clearly you have no viable answer.

I have no answer for you

I'm with the others. I wouldn't forget to put my seatbelt on or ask a child to do so. It just wouldn't happen.

[TTmonkey]

silentbrown said:

TTmonkey said:

I don't know where the car was being unloaded, does anyone here know the location?

BAsed on the CCTV I think it's...

This was what I thought, but wasn't sure.

My point with this map of the scene shows to me that the drive undertaken by the car was nothing to do with a low speed, move the car from one part of a yard to another type scenario. Yes, perhaps if you intended to move the car from one part of the industrial estate to another part, for unloading/storage purposes, then maybe, neglecting the seat belts is acceptable.

But if the car did crash where I've marked it, then it has nothing to do with unloading or moving the car as part of the legitimate business need, and everything to do with a joy ride type experience for the boy. And if that's the case, then belts should have been put on.

What's that straight road in length, half a mile? More? Enough for a thrill 'blast'?

I also notice that the track goes around in a square, is the whole 'lap' suitable for such a car, or would the driver have to come back along the same part of the road after turning at the roundabout? Some of it looks more like farm track than proper road.

Someone also said that it's a concrete.... if it is, concrete can be deadly when dusty. Very low grip. Could have been a factor?

[Penelope Stopit]

TTmonkey said:

This was what I thought, but wasn't sure.

My point with this map of the scene shows to me that the drive undertaken by the car was nothing to do with a low speed, move the car from one part of a yard to another type scenario. Yes, perhaps if you intended to move the car from one part of the industrial estate to another part, for unloading/storage purposes, then maybe, neglecting the seat belts is acceptable.

But if the car did crash where I've marked it, then it has nothing to do with unloading or moving the car as part of the legitimate business need, and everything to do with a joy ride type experience for the boy. And if that's the case, then belts should have been put on.

What's that straight road in length, half a mile? More? Enough for a thrill 'blast'?

I also notice that the track goes around in a square, is the whole 'lap' suitable for such a car, or would the driver have to come back along the same part of the road after turning at the roundabout? Some of it looks more like farm track than proper road.

Someone also said that it's a concrete.... if it is, concrete can be deadly when dusty. Very low grip. Could have been a factor?

Cough, the court case has ended, the jury have given their verdict, the driver will be sentenced shortly,

[E24man]

fblm said:

Penelope Stopit said:

Many of us forget to fasten our seat belts and get away with it.

WTF? If you 'forget' to put your seat belt on then frankly, you're too stupid to be driving. Feel free to continue to forget though, it's good for the gene pool.

Have a

[Gary C]

Penelope Stopit said:

People that are very experienced with guns have been known to forget to check that a guns not loaded and have accidently shot a person dead

Yes, an accident it would be, and they would be liable and negligent and would be held to account.

Just the same as here.

[dangerousB]

NDA said:

I managed to throw myself out of my boat a few years ago at high speed - leaving my 2 passengers without a driver . . . the following year, one of my best friends did something very similar - he was killed, his 8 year old daughter killed and his wife lost a leg

Both incidents sound awful and I don't mean to point a finger at you or your mate, but that reads to me like neither of you were using a killcord.

And apologies if I've misinterpreted, but if you weren't, I find that totally incomprehensible. I simply cannot understand why anyone would take the wheel and not clip in, whether or not they were taking passengers with them.

On the water, I'd consider that more negligent than not ensuring your passengers were belted up in a car.

[drainbrain]

E24man said:

fblm said:

Penelope Stopit said:

Many of us forget to fasten our seat belts and get away with it.

WTF? If you 'forget' to put your seat belt on then frankly, you're too stupid to be driving. Feel free to continue to forget though, it's good for the gene pool.

Have a

In defence of Penelope, if forgetting to belt-up wasn't a common occurrence then cars wouldn't have that annoying 'beep beep beep' sound signal which cuts in almost immediately the car goes into forward motion to remind people to belt up when they forget.

[Penelope Stopit]

drainbrain said:

In defence of Penelope, if forgetting to belt-up wasn't a common occurrence then cars wouldn't have that annoying 'beep beep beep' sound signal which cuts in almost immediately the car goes into forward motion to remind people to belt up when they forget.

Thanks but, I don't need defending. All I am doing is posting what is common knowledge yet several posters to this topic have forgotten this

[Europa1]

Penelope Stopit said:

Cough, the court case has ended, the jury have given their verdict, the driver will be sentenced shortly,

In which case, please stop droning on about how it's normal to forget to put a seatbelt on.

[TooMany2cvs]

Europa1 said:

Penelope Stopit said:

Cough, the court case has ended, the jury have given their verdict, the driver will be sentenced shortly,

In which case, please stop droning on about how it's normal to forget to put a seatbelt on.

He wasn't convicted - or even charged with - failing to wear a seatbelt.

[Europa1]

TooMany2cvs said:

He wasn't convicted - or even charged with - failing to wear a seatbelt.

Exactly.

[poo at Paul's]

Europa1 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

He wasn't convicted - or even charged with - failing to wear a seatbelt.

Exactly.

Maybe there is time, still?

[Kewy]

drainbrain said:

E24man said:

fblm said:

Penelope Stopit said:

Many of us forget to fasten our seat belts and get away with it.

WTF? If you 'forget' to put your seat belt on then frankly, you're too stupid to be driving. Feel free to continue to forget though, it's good for the gene pool.

Have a

In defence of Penelope, if forgetting to belt-up wasn't a common occurrence then cars wouldn't have that annoying 'beep beep beep' sound signal which cuts in almost immediately the car goes into forward motion to remind people to belt up when they forget.

I would argue that the beeping is more an annoyance to people who think its acceptable to drive around without a belt on maybe?

It seems difficult for some to comprehend based on some of the replies, but as someone else has mentioned, putting a seatbelt on is as much a habit for me that I'm about as likely to forget to push the clutch pedal before changing gear.

[schmunk]

dangerousB said:

NDA said:

I managed to throw myself out of my boat a few years ago at high speed - leaving my 2 passengers without a driver . . . the following year, one of my best friends did something very similar - he was killed, his 8 year old daughter killed and his wife lost a leg

Both incidents sound awful and I don't mean to point a finger at you or your mate, but that reads to me like neither of you were using a killcord.

The 'friend' incident is presumably this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/10/pa...

[anonymous-user]

schmunk said:

dangerousB said:

NDA said:

I managed to throw myself out of my boat a few years ago at high speed - leaving my 2 passengers without a driver . . . the following year, one of my best friends did something very similar - he was killed, his 8 year old daughter killed and his wife lost a leg

Both incidents sound awful and I don't mean to point a finger at you or your mate, but that reads to me like neither of you were using a killcord.

The 'friend' incident is presumably this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/10/pa...

I’ve had a few powerful boats on the south cost and, just like putting on my seatbelt in the car, I never once failed to attach the kill cord to either my wrist or ankle.

It’s not a forgetting thing in my experience, more a not bothering thing (also seen with life jackets) unfortunately.

[NDA]

garyhun said:

I’ve had a few powerful boats on the south cost and, just like putting on my seatbelt in the car, I never once failed to attach the kill cord to either my wrist or ankle.

It’s not a forgetting thing in my experience, more a not bothering thing (also seen with life jackets) unfortunately.

Fortunately I was wearing a jacket - otherwise I wouldn't be here. But I did forget to wear the kill cord. It can happen.

[anonymous-user]

NDA said:

garyhun said:

I’ve had a few powerful boats on the south cost and, just like putting on my seatbelt in the car, I never once failed to attach the kill cord to either my wrist or ankle.

It’s not a forgetting thing in my experience, more a not bothering thing (also seen with life jackets) unfortunately.

Fortunately I was wearing a jacket - otherwise I wouldn't be here. But I did forget to wear the kill cord. It can happen.

How fast are you guys going to be at risk from being thrown from the boat? I clip in sporadically depending what I'm up to and who is or isn't with me but I've never worn a jacket, the kids do before they even touch the dock though. It's not habit at all for me so when I do wear it I always forget and kill the engine when I'm coming into dock...