45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
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Bill said:
Stickyfinger said:
I cannot really say it better than this so I will quote as a reply................"an attack" in Sweden "last night" , not accurate as a quote is it ?
No. Not remotely.Trump said:
You look at what's happening last night in Sweden, Sweden. Who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible.
He's very clearly referring to a specific incident which occurred Friday night. Far as I'm aware, the only trouble in Sweden friday night was a group of mainly English passengers spent an hour grumbling to each other about the inefficiencies of Ryanair/Swedavia as their flight was delayed and no one could tell us what was going on...
Murph7355 said:
Immigration control and gun control are two separate issues (until immigrants get guns I suppose 
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Sadly (IMO) Trump is very big on their 2nd Amendment. He was voted in as President which would suggest that enough people also support the 2nd Amendment, or don't care sufficiently against it.
He seems to believe that there is enough legislation in place already to deal with the issues of access to firearms. The stats suggest something different...but then stats can say what you want them to.
Except that he has rolled back the checks on people purchasing firearms so making access easier. The fact is he wants to try and I still fear into his country by inventing fictitious terrorist attacked and thereby justifying his election promise which has been rightly refused as is unconstitutional and discriminatory. It's incredibly irresponsible language that creates fear and hatred to any immigrants no matter their contribution. Indeed the same rhetoric is used over here too and we've seen an increase in violence towards all sorts of immigrant communities as a result.).Sadly (IMO) Trump is very big on their 2nd Amendment. He was voted in as President which would suggest that enough people also support the 2nd Amendment, or don't care sufficiently against it.
He seems to believe that there is enough legislation in place already to deal with the issues of access to firearms. The stats suggest something different...but then stats can say what you want them to.
Murph7355 said:
rscott said:
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He's very clearly referring to a specific incident which occurred Friday night.
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Given the explanation given (that I think you yourself posted up), I'm not sure it is that clear...maybe I'm too prepared to give people the benefit of the doubt.He's very clearly referring to a specific incident which occurred Friday night.
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The 'explanation' of Trump's is pretty feeble. Have to hope he never watches any movie channels - he could end up declaring war on Japan for attacking Pearl Harbor if we're not careful!
FredClogs said:
Good to see trump out to cure the world of fake news.
Attack in Sweden my eye.
Hypernormalisation people. He learnt it from the Russians. You cant say you weren't warned.
Attack in Sweden my eye.
Hypernormalisation people. He learnt it from the Russians. You cant say you weren't warned.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/21/adam-curtis...
Murph7355 said:
rscott said:
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He's very clearly referring to a specific incident which occurred Friday night.
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Given the explanation given (that I think you yourself posted up), I'm not sure it is that clear...maybe I'm too prepared to give people the benefit of the doubt.He's very clearly referring to a specific incident which occurred Friday night.
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You'd think he had better sources for world events and attacks/issues on foreign soil than cable TV to be quite honest.
This is the problem I was describing with the administrations persistent and pointless falsehoods - it burns goodwill and benefit of the doubt quickly indeed. Until they rein this kind of thing in, it'll only keep spiralling.
I don't think the minute a foreigner gets onto any other countries soil they turn into a criminal.
They don't suddenly turn into a rapist or a murderer just because they set foot on foreign land. These folks would be chastised in their own country as criminals.
A 'criminal' is just that and should be dealt with accordingly, why do we have to say "English criminal" or "Mexican criminal" criminals exist and it's not as clear cut as the country of origin, its a bit more complex than that.
Normal citizens don't like criminals, but some just really dislike foreign ones. Why hate them more?
Why is a foreign brown sex pest worse than a homegrown white one?
They don't suddenly turn into a rapist or a murderer just because they set foot on foreign land. These folks would be chastised in their own country as criminals.
A 'criminal' is just that and should be dealt with accordingly, why do we have to say "English criminal" or "Mexican criminal" criminals exist and it's not as clear cut as the country of origin, its a bit more complex than that.
Normal citizens don't like criminals, but some just really dislike foreign ones. Why hate them more?
Why is a foreign brown sex pest worse than a homegrown white one?
p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
rscott said:
Digby said:
RobDickinson said:
Huh, you can have speechwriters and still be in charge of policy and direction... your starting to come across as rather limited in understanding, either on purpose or by accident its hard to tell.
Does being in charge of policy and direction involve speechwriters perfecting absolutely every word, as you suggest?Would the Sweden comment never have happened if he used what you suggest?
Its not necessary to be told anything we can watch him speak it with his own mouth parts
There are numerous issues going on in Sweden right now, a portion of it is due to the migration crisis for sure but the picture being painted by media organisations is pretty biased or has an agenda in my view.
Much of the crime I see being committed is by other Europeans and Swedes themselves, in particular we seem to see a lot violence and crime associated with biker gangs.
I think for any country the size of Sweden to allow so many people into the country from other cultures and countries in such a short time would of course lead to some problems and it's not really a news story unless you want to use it for the promotion of an agenda of some sorts.
Trump has yet again embarrassed himself and the US.
Much of the crime I see being committed is by other Europeans and Swedes themselves, in particular we seem to see a lot violence and crime associated with biker gangs.
I think for any country the size of Sweden to allow so many people into the country from other cultures and countries in such a short time would of course lead to some problems and it's not really a news story unless you want to use it for the promotion of an agenda of some sorts.
Trump has yet again embarrassed himself and the US.
rscott said:
Not sure how else you can read "You look at what's happening last night <<on tv>> in Sweden" other than referring to something which happened in Sweden on Friday night.
The 'explanation' of Trump's is pretty feeble. Have to hope he never watches any movie channels - he could end up declaring war on Japan for attacking Pearl Harbor if we're not careful!
With the bit in chevrons it becomes more plausible to me. Especially if the article he refers to could reasonably have been expected to be seen by a lot of his audience. The 'explanation' of Trump's is pretty feeble. Have to hope he never watches any movie channels - he could end up declaring war on Japan for attacking Pearl Harbor if we're not careful!
Do you think Sweden has issues with its immigration policy? And can you see why that might be used to defend actions on immigration policy?
The latter part of your post just suggests a desire to deliberately extrapolate things for comedic effect (I hope). Which is fair enough I guess, though I do wonder why others aren't judged in the same way (HRC, BO etc. Maybe they are/were...) .
Australia is an odd one, having spent a 1 year travelling around Oz it never failed to shock me how the Aboriginals were treated, pretty much every white Australian we met disliked them in varying degrees of hate. From teachers to mine workers they basically dislike Aboriginals...
The curious thing was, as I liked to point out, unlike the excuses trotted out by Brits about Pakistani's etc, the Aboriginals WERE there first. No one could say "Go back to where you came from". The true immigrants were the Australians themselves.
At it's core this comes down to skin colour, the darker you are the worse it is if you commit a crime.
The curious thing was, as I liked to point out, unlike the excuses trotted out by Brits about Pakistani's etc, the Aboriginals WERE there first. No one could say "Go back to where you came from". The true immigrants were the Australians themselves.
At it's core this comes down to skin colour, the darker you are the worse it is if you commit a crime.
Murph7355 said:
rscott said:
Not sure how else you can read "You look at what's happening last night <<on tv>> in Sweden" other than referring to something which happened in Sweden on Friday night.
The 'explanation' of Trump's is pretty feeble. Have to hope he never watches any movie channels - he could end up declaring war on Japan for attacking Pearl Harbor if we're not careful!
With the bit in chevrons it becomes more plausible to me. Especially if the article he refers to could reasonably have been expected to be seen by a lot of his audience. The 'explanation' of Trump's is pretty feeble. Have to hope he never watches any movie channels - he could end up declaring war on Japan for attacking Pearl Harbor if we're not careful!
Do you think Sweden has issues with its immigration policy? And can you see why that might be used to defend actions on immigration policy?
The latter part of your post just suggests a desire to deliberately extrapolate things for comedic effect (I hope). Which is fair enough I guess, though I do wonder why others aren't judged in the same way (HRC, BO etc. Maybe they are/were...) .
Murph7355 said:
rscott said:
Not sure how else you can read "You look at what's happening last night <<on tv>> in Sweden" other than referring to something which happened in Sweden on Friday night.
The 'explanation' of Trump's is pretty feeble. Have to hope he never watches any movie channels - he could end up declaring war on Japan for attacking Pearl Harbor if we're not careful!
With the bit in chevrons it becomes more plausible to me. Especially if the article he refers to could reasonably have been expected to be seen by a lot of his audience. The 'explanation' of Trump's is pretty feeble. Have to hope he never watches any movie channels - he could end up declaring war on Japan for attacking Pearl Harbor if we're not careful!
Do you think Sweden has issues with its immigration policy? And can you see why that might be used to defend actions on immigration policy?
The latter part of your post just suggests a desire to deliberately extrapolate things for comedic effect (I hope). Which is fair enough I guess, though I do wonder why others aren't judged in the same way (HRC, BO etc. Maybe they are/were...) .
I think Sweden had some issues with immigration, but it appears they've started to address them. It's hard to find unbiased info about what's going on there - some news sites seem to have quite a liberal agenda, others the opposite extreme. My colleagues in our Swedish office don't seem to have noticed any major changes.
Yes, the latter part was for comedic effect (hopefully he's not that daft...)
Murph7355 said:
Maybe I'm too soft but on the face of it, it strikes me as being as feasible as it does not being...if he'd said "On the news last night I saw that Sweden is struggling with immigration" would there be any issues?
No, there would not have been any issues. But he is copping flak for what he said, not what he could have but didn't say. "Soft" is a bit pejorative for my liking, but "benefit of the doubt" fits the bill. Personally, I don't see why Trump gets the benefit of the doubt for making something up when he is the one complaining about fake news. He's set a high bar for himself.
rscott said:
He's very clearly referring to a specific incident which occurred Friday night.
Far as I'm aware, the only trouble in Sweden friday night was a group of mainly English passengers spent an hour grumbling to each other about the inefficiencies of Ryanair/Swedavia as their flight was delayed and no one could tell us what was going on...
My apologies, he's clearly pointing out that despite mass immigration Sweden is still as full as ever.Far as I'm aware, the only trouble in Sweden friday night was a group of mainly English passengers spent an hour grumbling to each other about the inefficiencies of Ryanair/Swedavia as their flight was delayed and no one could tell us what was going on...
Finlandia said:
Eric Mc said:
Finlandia said:
I am indeed not a part of the problem.
Ah - you're obviously one of the "good" immigrants. There must be some.Funny how people always make exceptions for themselves.
rscott said:
If he'd said "If you look at what's was reported last night on tv about Sweden" then it'd make sense, but anyone could go back and rewrite his speeches to be more coherent (possibly start by removing made up words...). It amazes me that someone who claims to be a successful businessman, tv presenter, etc is such a poor public speaker.
His incoherent, rambling 'stream of unconsciousness' speaking is part of the appeal, as is the limited vocabulary; as far as I can see it is deliberate. The vagueness/ambiguity is pounced upon by a wide swathe of the media and they give it prominence, his supporters hear what they want to hear and Donald just says 'Fake News!" when challenged about it. Rinse and repeat.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff