Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
I hope May agrees to give the referendum, but only after the Brexit negotiations are concluded. As it is madness for the Scots to vote on an unknown outcome.
Sturgeon has just insisted the common border between Scotland and the rest of the UK would not change, she seems to forget that it is not just up to her...
Sturgeon has just insisted the common border between Scotland and the rest of the UK would not change, she seems to forget that it is not just up to her...
Edited by hyphen on Monday 13th March 12:04
Cobnapint said:
What a b*tch.
A cynical attempt to use the short term post Brexit dip (that is bound to happen) to say 'look, told ye so. Come on Scotland, we're off'.
How can she say staying in the EU is in Scotlands interests with a straight (well, round) face when most of their trade is with England.
I'd go so far as to say she is abusing her power.
I'm really surprised she can get away with saying these things, i thought we had black ops teams to deal with this kind of Thing? A cynical attempt to use the short term post Brexit dip (that is bound to happen) to say 'look, told ye so. Come on Scotland, we're off'.
How can she say staying in the EU is in Scotlands interests with a straight (well, round) face when most of their trade is with England.
I'd go so far as to say she is abusing her power.
te but this is taking a fObviously Sturgeon is deal shopping and nothing wrong with that.
She's not saying "I want a referendum next month", it's "I can possibly, do this, maybe, when the wind is blowing in the right direction, when the time is right and I think I can win" etc.
The people of Scotland now have another chance. The SNP had a manifesto pledge to call (or keep calling) referendums.
There's elections in Scotland before that. If the Scot's really don't want this, then vote the SNP out and vote Labour in again.
If they do vote the SNP in again, then good luck to them as an independent nation.
Simples, as the Meerkats say.
She's not saying "I want a referendum next month", it's "I can possibly, do this, maybe, when the wind is blowing in the right direction, when the time is right and I think I can win" etc.
The people of Scotland now have another chance. The SNP had a manifesto pledge to call (or keep calling) referendums.
There's elections in Scotland before that. If the Scot's really don't want this, then vote the SNP out and vote Labour in again.
If they do vote the SNP in again, then good luck to them as an independent nation.
Simples, as the Meerkats say.
Anyone watching it live? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/13/nicola-...
All kinds of rubbish, she expects a hard Brexit for the UK from the EU, but a soft exit for Scotland from the UK
Also expects a partnership of equals with the UK after.
All kinds of rubbish, she expects a hard Brexit for the UK from the EU, but a soft exit for Scotland from the UK
Also expects a partnership of equals with the UK after.FN2TypeR said:
How so?
When this speech is unpicked (won't take long) it will be apparent that what Nicola wants is for the Scottish people to have the choice of two pigs-in-a-poke. Brian Taylor (bless him for all he's an SNP mouthpiece these days) hit the nail on the head with his question 'are you assuming Scotland will inherit the UK's place in the EU'.Sturgeon's strategy only makes sense if that is what she is presenting. Once Article 50 is triggered then the EU will be able to give a categorical yes or no answer to that question (they won't be drawn and haven't been on it up until now for the reason that officially the UK hasn't served notice of withdrawal).
If the EU say no fast-track entry for Scotland then there is absolutely no point whatsoever in rushing to indyref 2. Scots would be better to wait and see what life outside the EU was like and then decide if they want to start the long road back via independence.
This has to be one of the worst political gambles ever played in history, unless of course all that swanning around Europe last summer talking to political non-entities actually resulted in a deal for Scotland that Nippy has up her sleeve.
Eric Mc said:
This was always going to happen.
I've always felt that Brexit would signal the end of the UK.
You assume the majority of Scots would vote to leave the UK. I don't see that happening.I've always felt that Brexit would signal the end of the UK.
May should tell Sturgeon that there should be at least a year post actual Brexit to allow everything to settle down. And that Sturgeon should also be told to use that time to discuss Scotland's position vv the EU with the people who are likely to matter in the EU and also to discuss the position with rUK in terms of things like debt and borders.
This wouldn't be to go into every last ounce of detail, but plainly the MO of not understanding any of these likely details ahead of any vote is not one that works for a lot of people.
And Scotland should also be told clearly that the result of this referendum is then it for a decent period of time - a "generation" (30yrs? More?), but lock that in with no ifs and buts.
Alex said:
Sturgeon is so obsessed that I think it has driven her mad.
Spain will veto Scotland joining the EU.
Will be interesting to see if they are allowed in, that is for sure. Spain will veto Scotland joining the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separ...
Atomic12C said:
Doesn't she have to ask permission from the UK government to hold a referendum?
If so, then this is unlikely to be given.
If she holds one irrespective of permission then it would have no legal basis.
Would this be correct?
Yes, would be symbolic.If so, then this is unlikely to be given.
If she holds one irrespective of permission then it would have no legal basis.
Would this be correct?
The Catalans did an unofficial vote in 2014. The leaders are currently in Court as it was illegal to to do this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/06/form...
It really is time to stop the nonsense.
There have been something like ~500 major surveys and 2 official referendums in the past ~50 years and people have voted "no" in ~90% of all of them.
The *longterm trend* is crystal clear.
Scotland wants to stay in the Union.
The *quiet majority* want to stay UK.
There have been something like ~500 major surveys and 2 official referendums in the past ~50 years and people have voted "no" in ~90% of all of them.
The *longterm trend* is crystal clear.
Scotland wants to stay in the Union.
The *quiet majority* want to stay UK.
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