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Oilchange

9,264 posts

275 months

Wednesday 15th May 2024
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AmyRichardson said:
Oilchange said:
Curiously, if the majority in the UK are centrist, what does it make them?
nuts
Centrist.

The centre isn't fixed to a time and place; the preferences of the electorate, shaped by the behaviour of the parties (who, especially as incumbents can seek to preference-shape the centre towards their preferences) and wider events, serve to define it. How able a party is to divine the centre is quite another story!

The concept, as classically defined by Anthony Downs in "An Economic Theory of Democracy", is one of the 101s of how a 2-party system works.
You obviously did the read the post above mine and put two and two together hehe

tangerine_sedge

5,754 posts

233 months

Wednesday 15th May 2024
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ntiz said:
If anyone wants a laugh go check out the comments of the reform instagram page.

Lovely comments like this:



Unfortunately I didn’t screen shot it but my favourite was a women absolutely adamant that she wouldn’t be forced to wear hijab by Khans Islamic government…………….. just wow.
The problem is that these people get all their information from poor quality online sources (i.e. pushed opinion) and don't actually visit places like KAAAAAHHHNNNS London. Their social media pushes a particular type of misinformation and they stupidly believe it as truthful.


President Merkin

4,297 posts

34 months

Wednesday 15th May 2024
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...Whilst living in retirement in Suffolk. Funny old game.

skwdenyer

18,281 posts

255 months

Wednesday 15th May 2024
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Yertis said:
skwdenyer said:
Electoral results suggest the UK is always centre-left.
When is "always"? Always since when?
The last time the majority of votes were *not* cast for left or centre-left parties at a general election was 1959.

That counts as “always” for most people living now.

TTwiggy

11,793 posts

219 months

Wednesday 15th May 2024
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tangerine_sedge said:
KAAAAAHHHNNNS
I'm still waiting for him to start the Eugenics Wars.

AmyRichardson

1,727 posts

57 months

Wednesday 15th May 2024
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Yertis said:
When is "always"? Always since when?
It's based on the supposition that certain parties necessarily represent certain things. In recent decades this has meant seeing the right as "tories, unionists and right fringe nuts" and making the left everything else (including, say, lumping the LD and Nat vote wholesale into "the left" - which a significant minority are not.)

Whenever I've looked into this in the past (because it's a durable trope) it appears the answer is "very close."

skwdenyer

18,281 posts

255 months

Thursday 16th May 2024
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AmyRichardson said:
Yertis said:
When is "always"? Always since when?
It's based on the supposition that certain parties necessarily represent certain things. In recent decades this has meant seeing the right as "tories, unionists and right fringe nuts" and making the left everything else (including, say, lumping the LD and Nat vote wholesale into "the left" - which a significant minority are not.)

Whenever I've looked into this in the past (because it's a durable trope) it appears the answer is "very close."
Since 1959, Lab + LD (Lib, SDP) + SNP has been > 50%. No need to include the fringier parties IIRC. Obviously there’s more nuanced work that can be done.

skwdenyer

18,281 posts

255 months

Thursday 16th May 2024
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AmyRichardson said:
Yertis said:
When is "always"? Always since when?
It's based on the supposition that certain parties necessarily represent certain things. In recent decades this has meant seeing the right as "tories, unionists and right fringe nuts" and making the left everything else (including, say, lumping the LD and Nat vote wholesale into "the left" - which a significant minority are not.)

Whenever I've looked into this in the past (because it's a durable trope) it appears the answer is "very close."
Since 1959, Lab + LD (Lib, SDP) + SNP has been > 50%. No need to include the fringier parties IIRC. Obviously there’s more nuanced work that can be done.

Dagnir

2,116 posts

178 months

Thursday 16th May 2024
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ntiz said:
If anyone wants a laugh go check out the comments of the reform instagram page.

Lovely comments like this:



Unfortunately I didn’t screen shot it but my favourite was a women absolutely adamant that she wouldn’t be forced to wear hijab by Khans Islamic government…………….. just wow.
I was with them up until "far".

S600BSB

6,612 posts

121 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2024
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Where is Crank - this is Reform’s big moment.

LimmerickLad

4,190 posts

30 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2024
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I wonder if Farage will declare he's standing now?

S600BSB

6,612 posts

121 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2024
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LimmerickLad said:
I wonder if Farage will declare he's standing now?
Really hope he does.

don'tbesilly

15,361 posts

178 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2024
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LimmerickLad said:
I wonder if Farage will declare he's standing now?
You may well find out tomorrow:



bitchstewie

58,700 posts

225 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2024
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Is 8th time lucky a thing? hehe

LimmerickLad

4,190 posts

30 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2024
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don'tbesilly said:
LimmerickLad said:
I wonder if Farage will declare he's standing now?
You may well find out tomorrow:


I hope he does if only to see some PHers heads explode.

cirian75

4,483 posts

248 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2024
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LimmerickLad said:
don'tbesilly said:
LimmerickLad said:
I wonder if Farage will declare he's standing now?
You may well find out tomorrow:


I hope he does if only to see some PHers heads explode.
Its going to 100% happen, just he did back in 2019.

LimmerickLad

4,190 posts

30 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2024
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bhstewie said:
Is 8th time lucky a thing? hehe
Only if he doesn't have any sea creatures standing against him biggrin


swisstoni

19,888 posts

294 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2024
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I personally don’t think he will. He’ll want to see what kind of support Reform get in this GE first, to see whether its worth his while.

S600BSB

6,612 posts

121 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2024
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Get in there Nige!

LimmerickLad

4,190 posts

30 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2024
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swisstoni said:
I personally don’t think he will. He’ll want to see what kind of support Reform get in this GE first, to see whether its worth his while.
Wonder if he would have to give up his dayjob as a presenter? Impartiality and all that especially during an election campaign.
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