CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

[isaldiri]

g3org3y said:

At the moment we're seeing record numbers of cases of measles as vaccination rates have dropped off. Unfortunately, actions have consequences. Such a coercive type attitude to the covid vaccinations over the last few years was always at risk to get a push back at some point. Unfortunately the unintended victim may end up being our kids. I'm sure Chromegrill will disagree, but IMO Public Health messed up the handling of a lot of this. The public have lost a lot of confidence. And we seem to have decimated the NHS in the process. Not the best outcome.

Unsurprisingly - I completely agree with this and as you might have seen made exactly that point about public confidence to chromegrill but also to no one's great surprise, never got a reply either. Unintended consequences and all but only bad conspiracy theorists (who funnily enough are also government shills touting 'the narrative' seemingly might think so I suppose....

[Slagathore]

RSTurboPaul said:

Is this the study that has been out for a little while now, that was framed by legacy media as 'showing a very slight risk for a tiny number of people'?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/...

Looks like the study was published in April?

[Hants PHer]

jameswills said:

This isn't good, I've been moved out of the "sensible posters" part of the Venn diagram
How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?

Well, since you ask, here's my advice:

• Accept that viruses, Covid-19 and cancer are all real
• Agree that Covid-19 vaccines greatly reduced mortality in the most vulnerable groups (such as over 90's)
• Concede that the ONS, ICNARC and NHS England produce reliable data

Not a lot to ask, in my opinion. I won't hold my breath though

[r3g]

Hants PHer said:

jameswills said:

This isn't good, I've been moved out of the "sensible posters" part of the Venn diagram
How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?

Well, since you ask, here's my advice:

• Accept that viruses, Covid-19 and cancer are all real
• Agree that Covid-19 vaccines greatly reduced mortality in the most vulnerable groups (such as over 90's)
• Concede that the ONS, ICNARC and NHS England produce reliable data

Not a lot to ask, in my opinion. I won't hold my breath though

So in short : trust what your government tells you, because they know what's best for you, and don't question anything. Cool.

[bodhi]

r3g said:

So in short : trust what your government tells you, because they know what's best for you, and don't question anything. Cool.

It's nothing to do with what Governments are saying or anything like that, it's what the best evidence we have is saying.

Signed, someone who beat cancer with modern medicines help.

[alangla]

g3org3y said:

At the moment we're seeing record numbers of cases of measles as vaccination rates have dropped off. Unfortunately, actions have consequences. Such a coercive type attitude to the covid vaccinations over the last few years was always at risk to get a push back at some point. Unfortunately the unintended victim may end up being our kids. I'm sure Chromegrill will disagree, but IMO Public Health messed up the handling of a lot of this. The public have lost a lot of confidence. And we seem to have decimated the NHS in the process. Not the best outcome.

Whooping cough appears to be another illness on the rise as vaccination rates have dropped https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68990222
I notice the article doesn’t include a graph of vaccination percentage over time, I wonder if it would show a drop off after 2020.

[r3g]

g3org3y said:

I've linked this before and I do think it's worth a watch:


Pharma is driven by money and profits, not altruism. It was in their benefit for the vaccines to be rolled out to as many people/age groups as possible, additional boosters as well (although I wonder how much was also the government thinking 'oh we've committed to XX number of vaccines, we'd better use them all up). IIRC in the US it was recommended for any child >6months.

I found this an interesting watch. The guy nails it about the pharmaceutical industrial complex and the corruption and greed within. However I have a problem with his completely conflicted transition from his segment on the corruption straight into his "vaccines are 100% safe and effective" in the next segment. I appreciate that the podcast was from February 2022, but there was over a year of vaxx damage anecdata by that point, courtesy of VAERS and other platforms. His clear conflict of interests (for the want of a better term) has been noticed and pulled up by several other viewers in amongst the comments, but no response has been forthcoming.

Eg.

"There's an issue with concluding the vaccines are safe and basing it on the fact that millions or billions of doses have been administered. The issue is that adverse reactions ARE being dismissed because the partial clinical trial data available doesn't indicate that such adverse events are even possible. So we now have medical professionals dismissing patient claims of an adverse reaction because "there's no evidence for it". This is two problems in one. The lack of transparency from industry and industry regulators and a general lack of curiosity in the field of medicine and an attitude toward patients that makes the patient out to be stupid or a nuisance.

[...]

[in response to the above comment] I liked this interview a lot. However, how John, a man who has a reputation for questioning Big Pharma has failed to grasp this your excellent point entirely is extraordinary."

One has to wonder whether he is actually a true believer of his "the covid vaccines are wonderful" puff piece, or whether he's essentially been forced to self-moderate his commentary to ensure that his medical licence remains intact, considering he is still a practicing physician in the US.

I also find it rather ironic that on Joe Rogan's (iirc) podcast he called out Malone and McCullough as only doing what they do to sell their st, but then comes on Lex's podcast... to flog his own books.

[jameswills]

isaldiri said:

Unsurprisingly - I completely agree with this and as you might have seen made exactly that point about public confidence to chromegrill but also to no one's great surprise, never got a reply either. Unintended consequences and all but only bad conspiracy theorists (who funnily enough are also government shills touting 'the narrative' seemingly might think so I suppose....

What about unintended consequences like autism due to vaccinations? Or any other manner of auto immune disease thanks to vaccines but no one wants to mention?

But no, keep pushing those jabs. It’s the only thing that saves humanity apparently

[jameswills]

Hants PHer said:

jameswills said:

This isn't good, I've been moved out of the "sensible posters" part of the Venn diagram
How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?

Well, since you ask, here's my advice:

• Accept that viruses, Covid-19 and cancer are all real
• Agree that Covid-19 vaccines greatly reduced mortality in the most vulnerable groups (such as over 90's)
• Concede that the ONS, ICNARC and NHS England produce reliable data

Not a lot to ask, in my opinion. I won't hold my breath though

You go for it! I think I’ll be better off ignoring that advice, thank you

[RSTurboPaul]

g3org3y said:

isaldiri said:

You're supposed to be saying you used all of it as part of the government's not so cunning plan to weed out the elderly surely.....

Shhh...*taps nose*

During the pandemic I've administered covid vaccines, both AZ and Pfizer/Moderna. I've also treated patients with Covid.

I have a notable degree of scepticism when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry.

I've linked this before and I do think it's worth a watch:


Pharma is driven by money and profits, not altruism. It was in their benefit for the vaccines to be rolled out to as many people/age groups as possible, additional boosters as well (although I wonder how much was also the government thinking 'oh we've committed to XX number of vaccines, we'd better use them all up). IIRC in the US it was recommended for any child >6months.

At the moment we're seeing record numbers of cases of measles as vaccination rates have dropped off. Unfortunately, actions have consequences. Such a coercive type attitude to the covid vaccinations over the last few years was always at risk to get a push back at some point. Unfortunately the unintended victim may end up being our kids. I'm sure Chromegrill will disagree, but IMO Public Health messed up the handling of a lot of this. The public have lost a lot of confidence. And we seem to have decimated the NHS in the process. Not the best outcome.

Is it still the case that they are recommending boosters for 6 month old babies?

And/or that it is on the recommended register/timetable of injections?

I take some comfort from the fact that numbers have been very low.

[Rollin]

jameswills said:

isaldiri said:

Unsurprisingly - I completely agree with this and as you might have seen made exactly that point about public confidence to chromegrill but also to no one's great surprise, never got a reply either. Unintended consequences and all but only bad conspiracy theorists (who funnily enough are also government shills touting 'the narrative' seemingly might think so I suppose....

What about unintended consequences like autism due to vaccinations? Or any other manner of auto immune disease thanks to vaccines but no one wants to mention?

But no, keep pushing those jabs. It’s the only thing that saves humanity apparently

Well that was predictable

[isaldiri]

jameswills said:

What about unintended consequences like autism due to vaccinations? Or any other manner of auto immune disease thanks to vaccines but no one wants to mention?

But no, keep pushing those jabs. It’s the only thing that saves humanity apparently

And where is that evidence of autism and autoimmune diseases due to the vaccines? Given ViTT, a relatively rare (1 in 50,000 in <40s, considerably rarer in older groups) was picked up within the first couple of months of rollout of AZN, why have incidents of those (presumably according to you much more common) adverse effects not been clearly obvious long ago?

[Tankrizzo]

jameswills said:

What about unintended consequences like autism due to vaccinations? Or any other manner of auto immune disease thanks to vaccines but no one wants to mention?

Goodness me you really have gone down the rabbit hole. What next, chemtrails?

[LeighW]

isaldiri said:

And where is that evidence of autism and autoimmune diseases due to the vaccines?

My sister developed autoimmune inflammatory myositis and then secondary sjogren's syndrome after her Pfizer booster. Never any health issues prior to that. Her specialist admitted that she is seeing a lot of autoimmune issues of late, but wouldn't be drawn further on the causes. I suspect coinciditis.

[eldar]

PurplePenguin said:

eldar said:

jameswills said:

I’ve asked this before, why are people so wedded to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention is paramount to human health? Have you not considered at all why they make so much money from it?

Anaesthetics. How dare those beastly companies make money out of reliving pain?

https://richardswsmith.wordpress.com/2019/03/22/a-...

Anaesthesia is not the same as drugs to control preventable chronic disease

Penicillin, perhaps, or isn't that a pharmaceutical intervention, either?

[Roderick Spode]

LeighW said:

isaldiri said:

And where is that evidence of autism and autoimmune diseases due to the vaccines?

My sister developed autoimmune inflammatory myositis and then secondary sjogren's syndrome after her Pfizer booster. Never any health issues prior to that. Her specialist admitted that she is seeing a lot of autoimmune issues of late, but wouldn't be drawn further on the causes. I suspect coinciditis.

Again it's all anecdotal, but I know quite a few friends & colleagues who come out with lines like "I've never felt so unwell in the last three years", whilst not making any causative link between that persistent unwellness and the life-saving jabs. Most complain of headaches, muscle pain, joint pain, all of which would point towards a wider inflammatory root cause. Of course this may be caused by diet or environmental factors, but there's a remarkable incidence of coincidental symptoms in close temporal proximity to the magic sauce.

Of course none of this has been recorded in the yellow card reporting system nor verified by medical professionals, therefore entirely inadmissible as evidence of anything, and I'll be labelled as a conspiracy loon 5G wibble enthusiast with an overactive imagination by the usual suspects

[isaldiri]

LeighW said:

isaldiri said:

And where is that evidence of autism and autoimmune diseases due to the vaccines?

My sister developed autoimmune inflammatory myositis and then secondary sjogren's syndrome after her Pfizer booster. Never any health issues prior to that. Her specialist admitted that she is seeing a lot of autoimmune issues of late, but wouldn't be drawn further on the causes. I suspect coinciditis.

Well, I attempted to address that in the bit of my post that you snipped out -

ViTT which was a relatively rare adverse side effect was picked up. Given the (very) serious nature of ViTT as well, if adverse side effects were being suppressed to the degree being suggested, it would certainly have been a prime candidate. Why would all these autism and autoimmune diseases not also get picked up if they are happening quite that often?

[andyeds1234]

Roderick Spode said:

LeighW said:

isaldiri said:

And where is that evidence of autism and autoimmune diseases due to the vaccines?

My sister developed autoimmune inflammatory myositis and then secondary sjogren's syndrome after her Pfizer booster. Never any health issues prior to that. Her specialist admitted that she is seeing a lot of autoimmune issues of late, but wouldn't be drawn further on the causes. I suspect coinciditis.

Again it's all anecdotal, but I know quite a few friends & colleagues who come out with lines like "I've never felt so unwell in the last three years", whilst not making any causative link between that persistent unwellness and the life-saving jabs. Most complain of headaches, muscle pain, joint pain, all of which would point towards a wider inflammatory root cause. Of course this may be caused by diet or environmental factors, but there's a remarkable incidence of coincidental symptoms in close temporal proximity to the magic sauce.

Of course none of this has been recorded in the yellow card reporting system nor verified by medical professionals, therefore entirely inadmissible as evidence of anything, and I'll be labelled as a conspiracy loon 5G wibble enthusiast with an overactive imagination by the usual suspects

There’s also a remarkable incidence of symptoms in close temporal proximity to a well documented global pandemic.

[RSTurboPaul]

andyeds1234 said:

Roderick Spode said:

LeighW said:

isaldiri said:

And where is that evidence of autism and autoimmune diseases due to the vaccines?

My sister developed autoimmune inflammatory myositis and then secondary sjogren's syndrome after her Pfizer booster. Never any health issues prior to that. Her specialist admitted that she is seeing a lot of autoimmune issues of late, but wouldn't be drawn further on the causes. I suspect coinciditis.

Again it's all anecdotal, but I know quite a few friends & colleagues who come out with lines like "I've never felt so unwell in the last three years", whilst not making any causative link between that persistent unwellness and the life-saving jabs. Most complain of headaches, muscle pain, joint pain, all of which would point towards a wider inflammatory root cause. Of course this may be caused by diet or environmental factors, but there's a remarkable incidence of coincidental symptoms in close temporal proximity to the magic sauce.

Of course none of this has been recorded in the yellow card reporting system nor verified by medical professionals, therefore entirely inadmissible as evidence of anything, and I'll be labelled as a conspiracy loon 5G wibble enthusiast with an overactive imagination by the usual suspects

There’s also a remarkable incidence of symptoms in close temporal proximity to a well documented global pandemic.

IIRC Australia rolled out mRNA treatments prior to Covid arriving and a rise in reported ill health was reported before Covid hit.

I am sure I have seen a graph somewhere but don't have time to look it up now.

[Roderick Spode]

RSTurboPaul said:

IIRC Australia rolled out mRNA treatments prior to Covid arriving and a rise in reported ill health was reported before Covid hit.

I am sure I have seen a graph somewhere but don't have time to look it up now.

Aren't you listening? It was all Covid. Nothing to see here, collect your parrot on the way out.