“National Conservatism”

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chemistry

2,396 posts

115 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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ZedLeg said:
I was considering not answering as I didn't want to end up in a what about this labour guy back and forth.

There are stheads all over.
True beer

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

114 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
ZedLeg said:
I agreed with you until this, just back to "it's the other side that are the problem".

As I said above, not every conservative is like the example I posted. A lot of the loudest are though. How many times a day does someone on NP&E say "politics of envy" or "champagne socialist"?
Plenty. I said "Many of the loudest" are on the left, still plenty of loud ones on the right too.
Two comments where I've come to a civil agreement with someone back to back, that never happens laugh

JuanCarlosFandango

8,215 posts

77 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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ZedLeg said:
Two comments where I've come to a civil agreement with someone back to back, that never happens laugh
Better weather helps! smile

Carl_Manchester

13,031 posts

268 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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bhstewie said:
What should I call people with links to fascism and people who have been found to have been parroting Kremlin propaganda?
The general jist of what being proposed to stem the political losses of the EU left block is to debate first and offer an alternative rather than label and de-platform.

I don't think Pedro Sánchez is a problem that needs solving, he has a PhD in economics, is a family man and is generally in-offensive but, his premiership is partially built on the old guard from the hard-left and demographics are shifting Spain a little more to the right as time passes. It will be interesting to see what the debating points are for the coming election because, it sets the path to victory for other Conservative movements in other countries, U.K included.

It's no co-incidence that the lady that looks like to gain the most out of this new election appeared in the Telegraph.

bitchstewie

54,871 posts

216 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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Sure, but you linked to Spectator piece (generally never a good start) titled "The European left’s fascism fantasy" which talks about Meloni and Le Pen.

Meloni part of a party which literally traces back to Mussolini (she is on record as having been quite the fan of old Benito) and a cross party Parliamentary report has been released in Le Pen which found she's been parroting Kremlin propaganda.

What else should we call that?

Carl_Manchester

13,031 posts

268 months

Tuesday 6th June 2023
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bhstewie said:
What else should we call that?
the point is haven't the left been here before already with the media and 'Russian collusion' 12 inch LP?

Gweeds

7,954 posts

58 months

Tuesday 6th June 2023
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"The left"

Give me strength.

bitchstewie

54,871 posts

216 months

Tuesday 6th June 2023
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Carl_Manchester said:
the point is haven't the left been here before already with the media and 'Russian collusion' 12 inch LP?
It's nothing to do with "the left".

It's literally been what as determined by a cross-party Parliamentary committee inquiry into Le Pen and in Meloni's case by simply looking at her and her background and that of her party.

Nothing to do with "the left".

Carl_Manchester

13,031 posts

268 months

Sunday 23rd July 2023
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Spain goes to the polls.

Carl_VivaEspana

13,031 posts

268 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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The updated scorecard:

Spain - The Left Hang On (just)
Argentina - A new experiment to see if Capitalist Led Conservatism still works.


bloomen

7,290 posts

165 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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Carl_VivaEspana said:
A new experiment to see if Capitalist Led Conservatism still works.
Are we sure that's what this unusual person stands for?

I hope it works out better for Argentina than what's gone before but no matter how bad things are, it's still possible to go further downhill.

captain_cynic

13,153 posts

101 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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bloomen said:
Are we sure that's what this unusual person stands for?

I hope it works out better for Argentina than what's gone before but no matter how bad things are, it's still possible to go further downhill.
This.

Argentina is a basket case no matter what... And I mean a basket case for South America.

From what I read, this is more a move out of desperation rather than Milei being any good. Argentinos were sick of the incumbents.

However I don't think anything will be fixed on Argentina. Far right blow hards didn't fix any issues in Brasil, the Philippines, the US or here. As you said, things can always get worse.

F1GTRUeno

6,512 posts

224 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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Carl_VivaEspana said:
Argentina - A new experiment to see if Capitalist Led Conservatism still works.
It never worked.

Carl_VivaEspana

13,031 posts

268 months

Tuesday 21st November 2023
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bloomen said:
Are we sure that's what this unusual person stands for?
there is a whole thread on the guy but I would say that what he stands for and what he can get passed as law will be two different things. This and the the markets will dictate what he can and can't do fiscally.

I expect the libertarian aspects of his personality will translate into conservative law. We will see.

Carl_VivaEspana

13,031 posts

268 months

Sunday 10th March
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Portugal goes to the polls....

Carl_VivaEspana

13,031 posts

268 months

Monday 11th March
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looks like the centre right has chalked up a pyrrhic victory over the socialist block.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ebcc75d-e5ba-4f78-9729...

Carl_VivaEspana

13,031 posts

268 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Carl_Manchester said:
Spain goes to the polls.
Announcement 29th April.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68887669


Carl_VivaEspana

13,031 posts

268 months

Monday 29th April
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Sanchez has announced in a Live TV address that he will stay on.

I did not want him to leave and I am happy he will stay on, allowing the democratic term to be completed.

Carl_VivaEspana

13,031 posts

268 months

Sunday 9th June
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EU Elections 2024.

France: Exit polls are predicting a 30% vote share for Le Pen's national rally.

Germany: The far-right AFD (I think that is a fair assessment) are predicted to have taken 16% of the vote.

I hope that the centrist politicians in the EU start to listen to the people more, especially the young.

biggbn

24,838 posts

226 months

Sunday 9th June
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Carl_VivaEspana said:
EU Elections 2024.

France: Exit polls are predicting a 30% vote share for Le Pen's national rally.

Germany: The far-right AFD (I think that is a fair assessment) are predicted to have taken 16% of the vote.

I hope that the centrist politicians in the EU start to listen to the people more, especially the young.
I'm sure I read its the disaffected young who are bolstering the right wing vote?